Hillary Clinton's inadvertent admission...

[ljm2002]

...when she enthusiastically rejected Bernie's universal health care plan, saying:

"People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have some theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass!"

Now obviously, implying that people with health emergencies will have to wait for care because of a debate going on among policy makers, is absurd on its face.

But even while she rails against it, she admits that Bernie's plan is a better idea!

Here's the video for those of you who have not seen it yet:

[RobertEarl]

1. Indeed

And she admits she can't get congress to do the right thing.

She admits failure!

Bernie, otoh, says, We can do it.

[Ferd Berfel]

20. I hear he saying: Die Quickly and Quietly

[JimDandy]

2. She's talking about single payer Universal Health Care

NOT Bernie's plan.

ETA more detailed reason: Clinton supporters are trying to defend her by denying that she will "Never Ever" support single payer, but that she meant she will never ever support Bernie's version of it.

They are wrong, and unfortunately so are you, because she would never ever say Bernie, her opponent has a "better idea".

[ljm2002]

5. Really?

That's not what the Clinton supporters have been saying here all day. They have been claiming quite strongly that she is NOT talking about universal health care in general, but specifically about Bernie's plan.

You folks need to get your talking points sorted out.

[JimDandy]

14. Hit 'post' before I was finished. See ETA

sorry...

[subterranean]

6. What do you mean? Bernie's plan is a single payer plan.

[JimDandy]

15. See ETA

Hit post before I was finished.

[roguevalley]

48. she doesn't seem to understand that against the rage of enforced

poverty and inequality, her 'can't have it, it will never happen' ideas are insulting.

She has it. Why not me?

Someone said on a thread where a video of this ran that the speech was her 'I do not have a dream' speech.

[Voice for Peace]

58. Furthermore, Wall Street would learn a lot more

if they paid you and me to give speeches.
Hundreds of us, thousands for the same price as one from her.

I would do one for $100 if they paid my airfare.. Let them know about the booming small businesses selling pitchforks, tar, feathers, oh and torches.

[JimDandy]

61. That's a riot: the booming pitchforks, tar and feather business.

Sometimes you have to laugh or you cry.

[JimDandy]

60. LOL That's funny! The Mean Scream *I Do NOT Have a Dream* speech.

It rhymes. Sorta channeling Dr. Seuss.

[Mike__M]

7. OK then

She admits she'll be ineffective at implementing whatever the better plan is.

[ljm2002]

11. And another Hillary supporter edits their post...

...instead of replying directly to me.

For the record, your first version of this hastily-edited post consisted of the post title and the one line inside the post.

Sneaky, but I can't say I'm at all surprised.

[JimDandy]

18. Bernie supporter here!

{Wow 3 people posted before I could insert the paragraph I left out.}

Clinton supporters yesterday were trying to back-track and soften her now very clear "Never ever", No we won't, 3rd way agenda, by stating she meant she would never support Bernie's plan (they used a secondary source). I put up her exact quote with the "better idea" line and was then told I could believe what I want!

For no other reason than ego, Hillary would never say an opponent had a better idea, especially not in reference to Bernie and certainly not in a speech in Iowa (where this was) just days before the first primary of the season. She would not do such a give-away in her last chance for the presidency.

Until I saw the "better idea" quote, I thought she was referring to Bernie's plan too.

[ljm2002]

19. Okay sorry if I jumped the gun...

...but this has happened to me a few times already with Clinton supporters.

Anyway, it seems worth pointing out that she admits she is railing against a better idea -- whether or not she is referring to Bernie's plan (and again I will note that many of Clinton's supporters here INSISTED that's what she was referring to).

[JimDandy]

22. The weathervane camp probably gave marching orders to

try and remessage the quote after being hit very hard with the "No We Can't" meme. That video with her quote disappeared from CNN. I couldn't find it myself. After much searching, someone found this one from a different source and taken from a different angle. The audio/video is terrible optics all by itself, let alone the message in her quote.

ETA: She loses either way on the "better idea": Bernie either has a better idea (under their remake of her message) or she loses a lot of Bernie/progressive votes in the General by insisting that the better idea (Medicare For All) will never pass, so she won't even try.

[Gore1FL]

57. Why is she debating a plan that isn't on the table then?

Her words:
"People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have some theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass!"

You claim she is NOT talking about Bernie's plan. Why is she claiming there is not time to debate something that no one else is debating?

The logic of your argument is broken,.

[JimDandy]

59. I assumed she was talking about a future debate in Congress on single Payer.

Her scenario is: the ACA is gone (yeah, that nonsense, as if anyone would do that prior to having another program in place) and the congress is in the middle of a debate while some theoretical person is on a gurney dying and has no health care.

In 1994, when advocating for comprehensive health care reform as first lady, Clinton told reporters that if Congress didn't pass a reform bill that year, the nation would eventually embrace a single-payer plan.

"If, for whatever reason, the Congress doesn't pass health care reform, I believe, and I may be to totally off base on this, but I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system," she said. " I don't even think it's a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country... It will be such a huge popular issue... that even if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen

ETA: I suppose she could mean a near future debate with Bernie, but the ACA is in place so no one would be on a gurney.
ETA2: It really just doesn't make sense that she means a debate with Bernie. Their next debate is coming up fast...it's not theoretical and the whole "emergency...can't wait" just doesn't fit for a Bernie debate time frame. Check my logic again though.

[FlatBaroque]

3. The most striking thing about this cringeworthy video

is the disgust with which she utters the word "debate". Watch it .08 seconds

[freedom fighter jh]

42. Sounds like the same tone she used in her "cut it out" quote.

It's the way she said "I went to Wall Street in December of 2007—before the big crash." Same inflection in "before the big crash."

What is the logic of that statement. If her talking to them was so effective, then why did the big crash happen after she talked to them? Why does she think this statement will make anyone think she's effective?

I don't know what this has to do with the way she said "debate," but I think the similarity in her tone is interesting.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Millions are still uninsured. Hillary doesn't care.

[Broward]

8. Hillary only cares about Hillary.

[SoapBox]

27. ^^^ Bingo! ^^^

And of course her BIG money and BIG power because that's what the Third Way Demo DINOs do.

[zeemike]

43. And millions more don't have healt care.

Even with insurance because the deductible is so high they can't afford to go to the doctor...they don't care about that either.
What they care about is the stock value of the insurance industry...health care has never been nor ever will be a problem for them or their family.

[cali]

9. You need a link

[ljm2002]

13. Huh? The video is right there in my OP. n/t

[cali]

23. The text is from kos

[ljm2002]

25. I listened to the video 3 times...

...as I was writing it down, to be sure my text was exactly what she had said in the video. I found the video at Youtube and do not know what you are referring to vis a vis kos, unless it was their Youtube channel? I did not pay any attention to who put the video up on Youtube.

[MisterP]

36. Gordian knot? cut

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/30/1477348/-This-Was-the-Moment-Hillary-Lost-the-General-Election

[ljm2002]

66. Now I see why cali thought I got the idea from Kos...

...but I swear, I was just listening to the video again from one of the posts here on DU, and I suddenly sat up when I heard her say "some better idea".

I had not seen the Kos article. Thank you for posting it. Great minds...

[MisterP]

67. me, you, Cali, and the non-cult Kosacks can see it all like the nose on a face

[ljm2002]

68. Yeppers, and thanks again for the link...

...I was truly puzzled there for awhile.

[EdwardBernays]

10. This is hilarious.

And someone should make an ad out of it.

"Hillary Enthusiastically Endorses Bernie Healthcare Plan"

Just edit out the end where she admits defeat... Or whatever it is she's admitting.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

30. I wonder what caused her to change her position on single payer? nt

[EdwardBernays]

33. Ask her campaign chairman

As he owns a lobbying firm that represents big pharma and also donated hundreds of thousands to her campaign.

[Mike__M]

12. Little off topic, but

Looking at that picture, I can't help wondering: will those people in the background be pleased to have themselves appear in blogs over the next twelve or twenty years, as future pundits discuss the turning point in this groundbreaking race?
Just a momentary compassionate thought.

[dreamnightwind]

16. What gets me is I remember all the DU posts from ACA supporters saying

it was the first step towards getting single payer. Many of us knew better, it's too similar to the rhetoric we heard when NAFTA was passed, we'll tweak it later to fix it. Right.

Now we see the truth. They work for corporate donors who actively oppose single payer. They will do anything to make sure the health insurance corporations and big pharma are the institutions in charge of healthcare in this country.

[ljm2002]

17. No kidding.

The other thing that gets me is the enthusiasm with which Clinton rejects the very idea of debating it. Just like she defended her close ties to Wall Street "because 9/11", she defends her anti-universal-healthcare stance "because emergency care".

Total non sequitur in both cases.

[PoliticAverse]

21. She's convinced me that if she's elected single payer will "never, ever come to pass". n/t

[freedom fighter jh]

44. Yes. nt

[stillwaiting]

45. She will appoint a Party Chair that will continue to recruit and fund neo-liberal...

... corporate-approved Democrats.

The only way to change the composition of elected Democrats is to elect as President a visionary that rejects neo-liberalism.

Bernie Sanders is that candidate. He can change the Party back to what it once was.

Hillary Clinton is not that candidate.

[jalan48]

24. And because you missed curfew you're grounded for a week!!

[thesquanderer]

38. Had the same thought, felt bad for Chelsea watching that video.

Heck, felt bad for Bill.

[Loudestlib]

26. .

"I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system,... I don't even think it's a close call politically... if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be." H R Clinton 1994

[JimDandy]

34. And instead she went for the ACA insurance company give away

Last edited Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

and now, after after being skewered for not even trying for Single payer, she is flat out stating that Medicare for all is just not possible.

[fbc]

28. She's so duplicitous

How do people fall for this nonsense?

[ypsfonos]

29. If we vote for YOU lots of good things

will NEVER come to pass during your Repub-lite administration!

[onecaliberal]

31. Hmmm...

"People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have some theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass!"


Unless they are part of the 26 million without healthcare now. What should they do Hillary? Stfu and go away?

[Hoyt]

32. I don't believe single payer will pass anytime soon, but universal health care has a chance

by modifying ACA with public option, more subsidies, lower out-of-pocket costs, etc.

[ljm2002]

35. Hillary, however, is against debating it on its merits...

...because doing so will mean people who need emergency care can't get it.

Or something.

Look, you can take her at her word or not. One might ask, which word on which day. But in this particular video she clearly says it's a better idea (where "it" either is, or is not, Bernie's specific plan), and says it will never, ever pass.

[Hoyt]

37. She's against "debating" it in 20 seconds on that video. I would be too.

[ljm2002]

39. What are you going on about?

Hillary made a certain statement in that video. Its content is clear for all of us to see. And yes, she says very clearly that we can't afford to debate it. Because emergency health care. Do you not understand English? Must I diagram the sentence for you?

[Hoyt]

40. I don't think a diagram - showing nouns, verbs, prepositions, etc. - will change the fact that

the debate over health care - and the realities of what can pass Congress - takes more than 20 seconds.

[ljm2002]

47. OMFG...

...that is beyond a stretch, that is you mentally putting yourself on the rack and having race horses tethered to it to turn the crank.

Stop, stop, for the love of Goddess stop! It's hard to watch!

[JimDandy]

65. No kidding. That was all kinds of twisting there. But they ARE trying to save her from drowning..

[Dems to Win]

41. They've been waiting since 1993

Hillary's in the unique position of having been given a trial run at being President, given the full authority by Bill to handle health care reform by the White House. She failed miserably.

[Hoyt]

49. Not as bad as Sanders' single payer bill introduced in 2010.

[Qutzupalotl]

51. At least he hasn't gven up.

[Ed Suspicious]

52. In what way was ahe more successful?

[Hoyt]

55. GOPers didn't even have to oppose it, as Sanders said, there were only 8 to 10 votes

for it. At least GOPers and the industry felt it necessary to oppose Clinton's plan.

[Uncle Joe]

46. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, ljm.

[Dont call me Shirley]

50. People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have some theoretical debate about some

theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass!"

Good then, you can get a real disease with some theoretical healthcare, hil.

[nolabels]

62. Health care is not for everybody, that includes even those dumb enough to use it

We had one of our roommates passed away last week in front of us. One of my other roommates who was a little better of a friend to him helped him a lot with the hospice, which still was really a very short three weeks after being diagnosed

The ironic thing about it was the whole time this seventy-eight year old man was being seen by doctors for the last couple years because he said he was having stomach pains and acid-re-flux. Through this two year span that they didn't figure out what was wrong with him they gave him all kinds of tests, drugs and stuck tubes down his throat and few other things from what i could tell about the whole thing.

He just got worse and worse, then one of the doctors decided he needed to get a cat-scan of him (which was not necessary as far as i can figure, they probably could have gave him a blood test a year or two ago to figure it out). So when they gave him the scan and found out he had stage four cancer in his stomach, liver and lungs what was left to do?

Health care is not for everybody, but a person with a pant load like Hillary isn't helping things very much either

[Dont call me Shirley]

69. Your roommate and friend...

I'm so sorry for his suffering.

If the medical industrial complex would be allowed to move forward with science instead of being stifled by a profit amassing cash cow for a few billionaires, then healthcare would work for everyone.

[nolabels]

70. My other roommate (and friend) was such a champ with him

Did all kinds of things for him before he left and before they even knew what was really going on. Two days before the end he seemed to be not doing too bad. The one story that day of the guys sitting in living room watching a movie and the ole guy laughing and carrying on about the movie kind of gives me hope.

Anyway thanks for the humor Shirley, because without it somehow it would seem that our world might be useless

[Dont call me Shirley]

71. ...

&

[Enthusiast]

53. Kicked and recommended! Do not accept this!

[Gman]

54. Please explain how that happens

Without debate.

I dunno how.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

64. Hillary screams "No we can't!" have that debate. She's not even willing to try to have that debate.

I dunno why.

Yes, I do.

[billhicks76]

56. She's The Absolute Worst

[marlakay]

63. She is lucky he doesnt do negative ads

It would be very easy to show Bernie wanting to help people then the clip this will never ever happen of clinton.

[JEB]

72. Madam Secretary,

your election to POTUS will never ever come to pass with rhetoric like that.