Hmmm... I wonder which Democrat Smith & Wesson and Ruger are endorsing?

[LexVegas]

[beam me up scottie]

1. They would endorse a Republican since all three Dems are pro-gun control. Doesn't this belong in GD?

Or Creative Speculation with the other conspiracy theories?

[DanTex]

4. It's a take on the silly OP insinuating that Goldman Sachs would endorse Hillary.

Which was truly absurd, since all three Dems are in favor of stronger financial regulations. With Bernie, having voted for gun industry immunity, no doubt the gun companies are for him, though I doubt that they're going to make any official endorsements.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Big diff: Hillary took millions from Wall Street, Bernie didn't take millions from the gun industry.

In fact the NRA smeared him after he made good on a campaign promise to vote to ban assault weapons.

[DanTex]

7. When the chips were down and Bernie had to side with the people or the gun industry,

he sided with the gun industry. Maybe he's evolved since then, who knows.

[HERVEPA]

8. Fucking D- from NRA. Another bullshit post.

[Sheepshank]

27. Bernie was a mere one grade higher when the NRA help Bernie win an election

They made grave efforts to help Bernie win his first Congressional seat. They are tied together.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Wrong again, his first grade from the NRA was a D in 1992, followed by five F's.

The NRA doesn't like Bernie.

And he never took a dime from them.

[Sheepshank]

52. NRA lobbied for and made grave efforts to help Bernie win his 1st Congressional seat

NRA sent out tens of thousands of flyers and paid for ad to promote Bernie and urged their members to vote for Bernie.

NRA does not was Hillary in office, they know Republicans have little to no chance of winning GE...if there has to be a Dem in office, they want Bernie to win. They've helped before, they will help him again to forward their own political agenda.

Bernie castigates and demonizes all other multi billion dollar industries for manipulating the political process and damaging Democracy...every corporation but gun manufacturers and the NRA.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Just admit you made that up and move on, I'm tired if proving your claims are false.

Bernie was a mere one grade higher when the NRA help Bernie win an election

[Sheepshank]

62. Nope...his grade as I mentioned..it's a real thing

As a dedicated acolyte you may want to make sure you have all of your facts. Check out his 2006 rating. It was a grade higher. He should be shooting for a f, like Hillary's NRA grade.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Proof you're wrong, his first grade from the NRA was a D:

Bernie was a mere one grade higher when the NRA help Bernie win an election

The NRA (or technically its political action committee, the NRA-Political Victory Fund) has grades for Sanders as far back as 1992, when he ran for his second term for Congress as an independent from Vermont. (The NRA did not have earlier ratings available even though Sanders first ran for Congress in 1988 before winning in 1990.)

The grades the gun lobby did have on file show Sanders has never exactly been in its favor, with one sort-of exception.

1992 D

1994 F

1996 F

1998 F

2000 F

2002 F

2004 D+

2006 C-

2012 D-


Our first thought: Man, the NRA really didn’t like Sanders in the 1990s and early 2000s, awarding five straight Fs.

The NRA slightly warmed to Sanders in the mid 2000s, giving him a D-plus in 2004 and a C-minus in 2006, his first bid for the Senate.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-nra-report-card-d-minus-most-recent/

But do keep digging, any credibility you might once have had is long gone.

You're welcome!

[Sheepshank]

67. I was correct, his grade was a grade higher at one point

And it's not a f as it is for Hillary

[beam me up scottie]

68. Except HERVEPA said it was a D and you said it was "one grade higher":

Fucking D- from NRA. Another bullshit post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1102678

Bernie was a mere one grade higher when the NRA help Bernie win an election

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1102774

One grade higher than a D is a C, Sheepshank, and Bernie's first grade was a D not a C.

You're welcome!

[cali]

77. Oh my. Nope. I was here. You are making shit up. Disgusting

But so you, Sheepshank

[beam me up scottie]

10. Bernie's pro-gun control history is well documented:

Sanders voted against the pro-gun-control Brady Bill, writing that he believes states, not the federal government, can handle waiting periods for handguns. In 1994, he voted yes on an assault weapons ban. He has voted to ban some lawsuits against gun manufacturers and for the Manchin-Toomey legislation expanding federal background checks.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks

....However, the Nation and the other reports like it don’t shed real light on where Sanders is coming from. They don’t explain why he supports some gun controls but not others. Nor do they ask if there’s a consistency to Sanders’ positions and votes over the years? They simply suggest that Bernie’s position is muddled and makes a good target for Hillary.

Yet there is an explanation. It’s consistent and simpler than many pundits think. And it’s in Bernie’s own words dating back to the campaign where he was first elected to the U.S. House—in 1990—where he was endorsed by the NRA, even after Sanders told them that he would ban assault rifles. That year, Bernie faced Republican incumbent Peter Smith, who beat him by less than 4 percentage points in a three-way race two years before.

In that 1988 race, Bernie told Vermont sportsmen that he backed an assault weapons ban. Smith told the same sportsmen’s groups that he opposed it, but midway through his first term he changed his mind and co-sponsored an assault rifle ban—even bringing an AK-47 to his press conference. That about-face was seen as a betrayal and is the background to a June 1990 debate sponsored by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.

I was at that debate with Smith and three other candidates—as the Sanders’ campaign press secretary—and recorded it. Bernie spoke at length three times and much of what he said is relevant today, and anticipates his congressional record on gun control ever since. Look at how Bernie describes what being a sportsperson is in a rural state, where he is quick to draw the line with weapons that threaten police and have no legitimate use in hunting—he previously was mayor of Vermont’s biggest city, and his record of being very clear with the gun lobby and rural people about where he stands. His approach, despite the Nation’s characterization, isn’t “open-minded.”

As you can see, Bernie—who moved to rural northeastern Vermont in the late 1960s—has an appreciation and feeling for where hunting and fishing fit into the lives of lower income rural people. He’s not a hunter or a fisherman. When he grew up in Brooklyn, he was a nerdy jock—being captivated by ideas and a high school miler who hoped for a track scholarship for college. But like many people who settled in Vermont for generations, he was drawn to its freer and greener pastures and respected its local culture.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/10/what_bernies_gun_control_critics_get_wrong_partner/

Alternet: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent for Decades

Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernie—to test his mettle after Smith’s about-face.

“Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation?” he asked. “Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?”

“Yes,” he replied. “Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsman’s Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

“I said that before the election,” he continued. “The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We don’t know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.

“I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades

Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill because it included the Violence against Women Act and assault weapons ban:

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just don’t think the state itself, whether it’s the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/

If he's a pro-NRA/pro-gun politician why did the NRA give him a lifetime D- rating?

[DanTex]

14. And yet he voted for gun industry immunity. Hmmm....

[beam me up scottie]

19. He explained his vote and I agree with him.

I want to shield gun shops from lawsuits, not manufacturers

Q: For a decade, you said that holding gun manufacturers legally responsible for mass shootings is a bad idea. Do you want to shield gun companies from lawsuits?

SANDERS: Of course not. This was a large and complicated bill. There were provisions in it that I think made sense. For example, do I think that a gun shop in the state of Vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody, and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? I don't. On the other hand, where you have manufacturers and where you have gun shops knowingly giving guns to criminals or aiding and abetting that, of course we should take action.

Source: 2015 CNN Democratic primary debate in Las Vegas , Oct 13, 2015

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

Why should manufacturers and sellers be held liable for crimes committed using a legally manufactured and sold product?

[DanTex]

21. Of course you do. Bernie did it, it can't possibly be wrong.

Wonder why he didn't also provide immunity for other corporations, only gun corporations? Or maybe he just didn't get around to it.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Were there any similar bills to protect manufacturers and sellers who don't violate the law?

Like say to protect a store owner who legally sells alcohol to a person who later goes on to drive drunk?

Or the manufacturer of a car driven by a drunk who kills someone?

I hope he would vote to protect them, I would.

[senz]

57. Thinking is good for the brain.

Do not resist it.

[polly7]

20. OMG ......... Facts.

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[beam me up scottie]

35. Right?

They forget who they're dealing with, Bernie supporters aren't naive low information voters.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. Bernie Sanders made the correct decision

and followed up with the correct vote.

Unless you believe that all manufacturers should be sued when someone uses their product in the commission of a crime.

[DanTex]

16. Glad you are defending his pro-NRA vote.

Actually, all manufacturers except gun manufacturers can be sued if their product is used in the commission of a crime.

The special immunity that Bernie voted for extended only to the gun industry.

Curious, huh?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. Really?

Ford can be sued if I drive drunk and kill someone?

Boeing can be sued if as a pilot, I intentionally crash one of their planes into a building?

Reynolds can be sued if I use their Saran wrap to intentionally suffocate someone?

Prestone can be sued if I spike my girlfriend's Gatorate with anti-freeze and she dies?

You've made the claim, so how about backing it up with a link that shows it's actually true?

[Hoyt]

74. I bet you could sue Ford if they they made a car and marketed it as a tactical weapon,

a sniper car, good for running over unarmed black teens, etc. Not to mention if Ford was a major contributor to a right wing lobbying organization that promotes stand your ground with a Ford if someone cuts you off, etc.

[senz]

40. FALSE.

One can use baseball bats, tire irons, knives, sleeping potions, etc. in the commission of a crime.

Use your head.

[notadmblnd]

41. That's a ridiculous post.

You're terribly mis-informed if you think all corporations can be sued if their product is used in the commission of a crime except gun manufacturers.

You really should put more thought into what you post. When you throw out crap like that- your credibility goes right along with it.

[cali]

75. Um, no. He sided with Vermonters. I think he was wrong,

but I get it.

[Sheepshank]

24. Republicans have no hope of winning GE...NRA are hedging for Dems

And amongst the Dem Candidates, there is only one they have helped win their first Congressional seat. It's the same person that called Planned Parenthood "establishment" but not the NRA. It's the same person that castigates and demonizes every multi billion dollar corporation except for NRA and Smith and Wesson....that would be Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

26. I must have missed where the NRA endorsed Bernie in the primary, link?

[cali]

78. Oh yes they do. And hilly Will lose.

[senz]

11. Huge difference. Goldman Sachs directly finances Hillary's campaign.

Gun manufactures haven't given a dime to Bernie Sanders.

You should think more clearly. Seriously. There's too much at stake.

[DanTex]

13. Actually that's not true. Corporations don't donate to campaigns.

[Duckhunter935]

30. they just send

Millions through dark channels to her superpacs that she is dire try coordinating with.

[senz]

32. Wall Street donated huge sums indirectly to the Clinton Campaign

through PACs, individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Hillary's top contributors include all the big Wall Street banks. Here is the list of Hillary's top contributors from 1999-2016:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019

She is owned by Wall Street.

[nc4bo]

2. Cool meme bro.........not. Try again. nt

[hobbit709]

3. And I wonder which Democrat the worshipers of the Golden Calf are endorsing.

[99Forever]

55. I'll bet they aren't...

... Feeling the Bern.

[Autumn]

5. Hmmm... I wonder which Democrat Wall Street is endorsing?

[Metric System]

9. Bang Bang Bernie, of course.

[beam me up scottie]

15. I wonder who the cluster bomb industry will endorse? Clinton?

Cluster Bombs Are Not Good for Children, Hillary
(Ditto for Landmines and Sanctions)

The human soul is difficult to fathom. One person alone is capable of both compassion and cruelty.

In her autobiography, Living History, Senator Hillary Clinton portrays herself as an advocate for children, a defender of women and human rights. In fact, the Clintons have a long history of sacrificing the rights, even the lives of children, for political expediency. It is time to set the record straight.

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill--a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas--presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world.

The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary

[cali]

38. It's funny to watch you guys desperately trying to make.

Hillary look less corrupt by smearing Bernie. Bernie never took a cent from the NRA. The NRA never endorsed him. Hillary is up to her eyeballs in dirty money.

[Sheepshank]

39. Bang bang Bernie......hee hee

Seems to fit the dude who has decided all the corporations are nasty, untrustworthy and manipulate the Democratic system, except for Gun manufacturers and NRA.

Bernie has yet to castigate what the NRA has done to this nation and its contribution to 10,000 homicides annually...and countless other 1000's of accidental shootings.

Of course they are helping Bernie win. They are trying everything to sink Hillary. The NRA knows the Republicans can't win GE, so they have to get a bang bang friendly guy in office.

[notadmblnd]

46. It wasn't Bernie who OKed a policy to arm Libyan rebels

nt

[Sheepshank]

54. But it is Bernie's votes that contributes to 10's thousands of dead Americans every year nt

[beam me up scottie]

58. Which votes contributed to "10's thousands of dead Americans every year"?

Links to supportive facts?

How many were killed because of the PLCAA?

Or the Brady bill that passed?

Or the vote to allow guns in checked baggage on trains?

Surely you must have data to support such a claim.

If you need an example I can link to proof that Hillary's vote for the Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands.

[notadmblnd]

65. Oh, didn't know if it wasn't Americans dying, guns are ok. Thanks for the update.

Guns are bad except for when guns are good. Right?

[Thinkingabout]

53. Don't forget about Lockheed Martin, he supports funding the defense contractors over and over.

Can you imagine how many roads could have been repaired or built with the trillion dollars which has gone to the F-35 program and it still does not perform properly, will lose in a dog fight is supposed to carry bombs but if it carries the bombs then it is very ineffective in a dog fight.

[beam me up scottie]

60. The same F-35 that Hillary wants to sell to Israel?

How much money will she make from those sales?

[NurseJackie]

45. Very amusing!

[Travis_0004]

47. Results of Jury Service

On Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bang Bang Bernie, of course.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1102687

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Bang bang Bernie"??? Seriously? Please hide this nasty, rude, ott post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:28 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Explanation: I'm tired of the jury system being used for every stupid little post.

Stupid post, yes. I don't think it needs to be hidden though.
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Explanation: I virulently disagree with this poster, but its her opinion in a heated primary race. The question was who among Dems would two gun manufacturers support. The meme circulated by the Clinton campaign is that Bernie is 'soft on gun control' somehow. This comment is not palatable for Bernie supporters, but it isn't out of bounds.
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[Duckhunter935]

17. the republicans

Or Hillary is they want more gun sales. She was the one talking about confiscation like they did in Australia. I just know Wall Street is endorsing Hillary by 250K for her many 45 minute speeches. Are the REALLYWORTH around 300K PER HOUR?

[beam me up scottie]

28. Does Hillary still make money from Wal-Mart's gun sales?

She was on the board of the world's largest gun retailer.

[Sheepshank]

42. What a reach....I suppose you had to try lol

Pretty hypocritical when Bernie's lifetime in office , having never held down a regular job in the private sector, was very reliant on the help of the NRA getting that first Congressional win.

[beam me up scottie]

48. It's a valid question that's been asked before, does she still make money from them?

Nice attempt at defection but we've already covered your talking point, Bernie never took a dime from the NRA.

How much money did Hillary make from Wal-Mart's gun sales when she was on the board?

[notadmblnd]

70. Oh, Sander's got his first job when he was 40?

Because that is when he won his first political race for Mayor. You think he had a sugar momma in his 20's and 30's.

I will tell you just as I recently told someone else here- when you throw crap like this out here, your credibility goes with it.

I call pants on fire dude.

Sanders attended Brooklyn's James Madison high school and then went on to Brooklyn College. After a year there, he switched to the University of Chicago. Sanders became involved in the civil rights movement during his time at university and served as an organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. After finishing college in 1964, Sanders lived on a kibbutz in Israel before settling in Vermont. He worked a number of jobs, including filmmaker and freelance writer, while his interest in politics grew.

http://www.biography.com/people/bernie-sanders

[beam me up scottie]

71. Pants on fire is an apt description of that poster.

[notadmblnd]

73. No wonder they support HRC

They're just as dishonest as she is.

[Sheepshank]

81. A number of odd jobs until he found the public trough. Thanks for confirming nt

[notadmblnd]

82. Only thing I confirmed is- you have difficulties expressing the truth.

The article says nothing about odd jobs.

Did you get your first CEO position straight out of college?

[cali]

79. Lol. Coming from YOU, that's just deliciously ironic.

[cali]

80. Flat out false.

[senz]

18. Bernie has voted for gun control for decades. Simple fact.

[artislife]

22. You really don't know much, do ya?! nt

[senz]

34. It's shocking.

There are apparently some rather uninformed, fuzzy thinkers among Clinton supporters.

I suppose that's better than straight-out dishonesty.

[Ferd Berfel]

29. Bernie has a D- so they won't be endorsing him.

I wonder who the anti-democracy, Carporatist Oligarchs, Trans-national Corporations, and 1% will be endorsing?

[cali]

31. That's easy, none. Really poor attempt at smearing Bernie, dear.

[djean111]

36. Hmmmm....I wonder which Democrat would happily send our troops out to kill and be killed with -

guns. That might be a clue as to who any weapons manufacturer would support.

[Jarqui]

37. I'm not sure but Hillary is doing very well with their friends in the weapons biz

Clinton Tops List of Arms Company Donations
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Clinton-Tops-List-of-Arms-Company-Donations-20151214-0002.html

They've also been very good to each other via the Clinton Foundation:

Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

So do we take from that that Hillary is their best bet as a presidential candidate for war?

Hillary may take a shot at Bernie trying to milk a bad vote on guns lawsuits or something but she's in bed with these folks and Bernie is not

[Eric J in MN]

44. +1 (NT)

NT

[beam me up scottie]

50. Whoopsie! More of those inconvenient facts.

So glad the op decided to open this can of worms.

[senz]

51. Sec. Cinton and weapons manufacturers enriched one another.

As shown in the International Business Times article you linked.

Corrupt practices.

[aikoaiko]

43. i wish it were Bernie.

[workinclasszero]

59. The same one the NRA likes?

Bernie Sanders is gunhumper friendly.

[beam me up scottie]

63. The only Dem candidate who ever acted "gun humper friendly" is yours, remember Annie Oakley?:

Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747

Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008

But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/

Clinton's Hunting History

WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.

"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/

Let states & cities determine local gun laws

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

You're welcome!

[SamKnause]

61. Serious weak tea.

[Bjornsdotter]

66. Facts.....they're a good thing

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00419051

House
Total to Democrats: $0
Total to Republicans: $5,000
Aderholt, Robert B (R-AL) $1,000
Walorski, Jackie (R-IN) $1,000
Wittman, Rob (R-VA) $1,000
Young, Don (R-AK) $1,000
Zinke, Ryan K (R-MT) $1,000
Senate
Total to Democrats: $0
Total to Republicans: $3,000
Ayotte, Kelly (R-NH) $1,000
Blunt, Roy (R-MO) $1,000
McCain, John (R-AZ) $1,000

Based on data released by the FEC on November 16, 2015.

[beam me up scottie]

69. Thank you! ZERO dollars to Democrats!

[rateyes]

72. None of them. And, you know it so you

can quit pretending that you are wondering. But, if those big corporations don' want to pay their fair share of the taxes, they would lean toward Hillary.

[ljm2002]

76. Well you should look it up...

...me, I haven't seen any endorsement from either company. If there is such an endorsement, I don't expect it will be any Democrat. Or any Democratic Socialist, for that matter -- to address your obvious insinuation.