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Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren Slams Hillary Clinton:
VIDEO: Elizabeth Warren Has Known for Years Where Hillary Clintons True Loyalties LiePosted on Jan 31, 2016
An old clip of the Massachusetts senator show that shes known the truth about Hillary Clintons relationship with Wall Street for quite some time.
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http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_elizabeth_warren_has_known_for_years_hillary_clintons_20160131
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
oasis
(49,388 posts)Is it possible Elizabeth is a closet oligarch?
amborin
(16,631 posts)oasis
(49,388 posts)somewhere down thread?
amborin
(16,631 posts)of the Obama administration toward corporate criminal behavior that EW most recently bashed;
this is why EW is implicitly endorsing Bernie;
oasis
(49,388 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)that has not endorsed Hillary Clinton.
oasis
(49,388 posts)who has not endorsed Bernie Sanders.
See how that works?
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)she can't say it publicly as she has to work with her democratic colleagues in the Senate (who are all endorsing Hillary) to get things done and doesn't want to alienate them.
oasis
(49,388 posts)a required character standard for elected officials by Bernie supporters who have adopted this as part of their moral code. What gives?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)enid602
(8,620 posts)And I can think of many male Dem Senators who have not endorsed Bernie. In fact, I don't believe ANY of them have.
Given the Clinton family's power and influence, I don't blame her.
Elizabeth Warren loathes the oligarchy. You should, too.
oasis
(49,388 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)to make life very uncomfortable for any Democrat who opposes her. Especially if Clinton wins the nomination. Her vindictiveness is well-known. Warren knows all of this.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)And no one could possibly see thru it!
oasis
(49,388 posts)for Warren's conspicuous tardiness in endorsing Bernie.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)So screw your question.
Start your own damn discussion in another OP, instead of hijacking someone else's. Unless of course, you think nobody will bother with it because they know it's rubbish.
oasis
(49,388 posts)Tell you what, why don't you start a OP discussion with the caveat that you will be the only one to determine what is relevant?
P.s. If you do, Try expressing yourself in a polite manner.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Or is that considered "polite" over in Camp Weathervane? Seems EXTREMELY rude to the rest of the world.
But then, anything to avoid discussing the actual truth, right?
oasis
(49,388 posts)their own protected DU group to post anti-Hillary stuff.
"Warren slams Hillary" pretty provocative OP title, wouldn't you say? I say it puts Warren up to the scrutiny she will get from me each time she's used to attack Hillary.
Each and every time, I feel it appropriate.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Especially from transparently weak sauce people such as you. I see you still haven't had the guts to start an OP about the topic you used to try and derail this one. What's up with that? No guts, no glory.
oasis
(49,388 posts)from the start, so it must merit some further investigation.
... just when you think the sauce is extra weak, the chef waters it down even more.
I'd ask you to step up to the plate, but clearly you're already headed to the showers.
See ya in Iowa.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)She knows that she will have to support Clinton if she is the nominee and she will hope to have some influence. Moreso, if Hillary is elected.
oasis
(49,388 posts)more than a few social media "scoldings" from the same crowd who, earlier, had attacked those who "actually endorsed" Hillary. If fear of retribution is the question, it makes more sense that she wants to avoid running the "Shame on you for not endorsing Bernie" gauntlet.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)More likely both are true.
But, my direct conversations with politicians who don't endorse avoid it because they know one or the other will win and they don't want to be on anyone's bad side.
Endorsers may face Clinton punishment or the wrath of voters. Elizabeth Warren along with many party elders are too smart to wade into that mess.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Maybe somebody should send Senator Warren a link to this video she did not make.
senz
(11,945 posts)But don't think for a second that Elizabeth Warren would sell out her integrity and deepest convictions.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)You do understand that, don't you? Warren cannot possibly approve of Hillary's connections, favors, quid quo pro interactions with Wall Street and other large corporate entities. I am sure Elizabeth Warren knows exactly what Hillary is and how she operates.
But Warren is also pragmatic, needing to preserve her own position so as to continue her anti-Wall Street activities. So if, in a few weeks, it looks like Hillary has the nomination sewed up, Warren might very well "endorse" her -- in the sense of endorsing the Democratic nominee, not because she believes in anything Hillary is or does. There is no way Elizabeth Warren could possibly endorse Hillary's modus operandi. They are moral, ethical, and ideological opposites.
But who cares about these things as long as Hillary gets an endorsement, right?
Bear in mind that if Bernie does well, Warren could end up endorsing him -- and do so with much more enthusiasm.
amborin
(16,631 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)pandr32
(11,586 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)From your link:
I could say the same to you, pandr32. I could say, "Go for it!" It would be the nice thing to do, and if we were Senate colleagues and two of the small group of Democratic women Senators, it would be expected. We support each other.
That doesn't mean Elizabeth Warren, the scourge of Wall Street, supports the Wall Street candidate.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)Wonder if it'll play the one where Warren encouraged Clinton to run and said she was "terrific"?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)A politician's prerogative - she publicly urged Hillary to run, worked on bills together with Hillary, and refused to enforce Bernie. She hasn't endorsed anyone, probably because there is no point upsetting her followers who also like Sanders when she can sit back and let the political process get rid of Sanders before she endorses Hillary. Do you doubt Warren will eventually endorse Hillary?
Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.
"All all of the women Democratic women I should say of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.
Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president
Notice this article is very recent. Return the old clip to the archives covered with spider webs where it belongs.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)Elizabeth Warren Only Female Senator Not To Endorse Hillary Clinton
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/11/30/elizabeth-warren-only-female-senator-not-to-endorse-hillary-clinton
Thank you.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Your candidate is both.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)Actually getting elected.
I take the guidance of people for whom winning elections is part of the job seriously. If they thought Clinton would lose, they wouldn't be with her. But perhaps you're more savvy than they are?
senz
(11,945 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)I've discussed this previously.
senz
(11,945 posts)I am a fan of Sen. Feingold's and have sent him money. He could have meant a number of things by that, but assuming he is not aligned with the DLC/Third Way/"New" Dems (which I doubt), then he was probably speaking strategically. At the time, he may have thought Bernie could not win the GE, as this was before the polls showing Bernie doing better than Hillary against the major Republican candidates.
He might not say that today.
senz
(11,945 posts)It is wise to be cordial and upbeat with one's colleagues.
But Elizabeth Warren would not sell her soul and support Clinton over Bernie. If Clinton unfortunately wins the primary, then Sen. Warren, as a Democrat, will of course support her.
treestar
(82,383 posts)as Bernie.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Sen. Elizabeth Warren is perhaps the most sought after endorsement for the Democratic presidential candidates.
And if you believe her tweet from Friday, Hillary Clinton might want to think of a plan B.
The next president can honor the simple notion that nobody is above the law, but it will happen only if voters demand it.
Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) January 29, 2016
Ouch. That seems like a direct shot at former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Many social media users felt the same way.
Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/01/29/did-elizabeth-warren-just-throw-hillary-under-the-bus-with-one-tweet-300071#ixzz3yqWR0rV2
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)dollar mansion? Her teaching fees are reportedly several hundred thousand.
senz
(11,945 posts)Kennedy and FDR were wealthy also, but they served the people, not the oligarchs.
That is what matters.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Having wealth means you are evil and corrupt. Except for when you like the person. Then it's okay. Can't have it both ways.
djean111
(14,255 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I could say more but won't.
djean111
(14,255 posts)evidently the barrel has no bottom, or else they are scooping up crap and throwing it at the wall like Oscar Madison threw spaghetti. See if it sticks. Doesn't.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)someone else. That's nothing but totally germane.
djean111
(14,255 posts)run against another Republican, votes with the GOP a lot, voted yes on creating the Benghazi panel, and has been embraced by DWS and Hillary. Did I mention that Murphy is wealthy?
Oh, and maybe you should give up on trying to use 'wealthy" as a pejorative.......
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)It's noted that you can't answer why a wealthy ex-Republican, trickle-down voting highly paid Senator is criticizing anyone else.
And now wealth is good! That is, as long as you like the person...
djean111
(14,255 posts)And I bet if Warren actually endorsed Hillary, the same people trying, unsuccessfully, to smear her would be celebrating.
Again, Warren's money is not germane to the conversation, and will not ever be germane to the conversation.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)decide what is germane and what isn't. Anyone who voted for trickle down policy but now is a self-appointed criticizer can be countered in her beliefs and arguments.
And nice dodge again with the sidebar about endorsements. This was about her vulnerability as a self-important czar of wealth.
Oh. Yes the word "noted" means you are on a 'list". U betcha.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Bottom line - I will support Liz Warren in any way I can, and I will not support Hillary. Does not matter what you attempt to spin or dredge. That is all that this is about, really.
Have a great day!
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)And it's not spin to say she is wealthy. Or an ex-Republican. Those are facts. What this is about is the phony Hillary hate when those you idolize have had the same benefits or more.
I like both women but videos like this don't tell an honest story. THAT'S what this was about. You don't get to decide for me what this was about.