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BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:24 PM Jan 2016

"Bernie Sanders list of “foreign policy consultants” is full of people who have never spoken to him"

Sanders is facing increasing criticism for his seeming lack of foreign policy knowledge and focus, and he’s fighting back against the notion by releasing a list of experts he claims he’s consulted with on foreign policy. The problem: many of the people on the list say they have no idea how they ended up on the list, with some of them saying they’ve never spoken with him about the matter at all. In fact some of the people on Bernie’s list have endorsed his rival Hillary Clinton. So what’s really going on?



The ruffle comes even as Sanders now says that his long-promised foreign policy address won’t happen before primary voting begins after all, as his campaign is hoping it can win the first state or two while the candidate ignores foreign policy altogether. But the list of foreign policy experts he’s consulted with, which appears to have been largely made up out of thin air, is more troubling. One person on the list says she vaguely recalls perhaps speaking with him six months ago. Another was asked how he got on the list and his answer was “I don’t know.”



Not only is the Sanders campaign being dishonest by falsely claiming that these experts all advised him on foreign policy, the campaign is being naive by not expecting anyone in the media to contact those on the list for verification. But that’s precisely what Politico did, and the results aren’t pretty. This comes in the same week in which everyone from the AARP to the League of Conservation Voters to the Nevada Culinary Union has accused Sanders of dishonest campaign tactics.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sanders-list-of-foreign-policy-consultants-is-full-of-people-who-have-never-spoken-to-him/23706/

This relates to the already posted Politico article. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431 The problem is that too many have opted not to read the story and are missing a key point highlighted above. I have never before heard of any candidate who has done something like this. I find it chilling.

Bernie voted against the Iraq War, MUCH to his credit. I applaud him for that. But foreign policy is a crucial component of the presidency. Anything can and does happen while a president is in office. A president needs ongoing and active familiarity, and he needs to take foreign policy very seriously.

This issue is too important for me to indulge responses by people uninterested in knowing the facts of the situation.
It is up to each and every citizen to decide if they choose to hold their elected leaders accountable. A responsible person should at least pause to find out more about the situation. This is not a game. This is the future of our country. Read the Politico article in its entirely.

I am busy canvassing today and will not be able to respond further.

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"Bernie Sanders list of “foreign policy consultants” is full of people who have never spoken to him" (Original Post) BainsBane Jan 2016 OP
Another hit piece from the dailytrashbin. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
This is documented in the Politico article BainsBane Jan 2016 #6
It's a site created to catapult pro-Hillary propaganda. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #9
Bat boy? PatrickforO Feb 2016 #77
I would rather have a leader without consultants, John Poet Feb 2016 #85
The Sanders Campaign manager really brings it LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #92
A serious charge not seriously addressed CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #10
This is a Politico piece Empowerer Jan 2016 #34
Beamer, clearly you respond to any information that might be detrimental to Sanders... Nitram Jan 2016 #40
In this case the messenger (the blog) came pre-slimed. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #41
Never said any of what things? Nitram Jan 2016 #45
This: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #46
When you respond to an article about dishonesty in the Sanders campaign with... Nitram Jan 2016 #47
Yeah...no. I rejected the blog post in the op. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #48
If you don't or can't respond to the point in the OP, then your head is firmly planted... Nitram Jan 2016 #50
Because I don't jump when you tell me to jump I'm the one with a problem? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #52
You resemble that remark, John Poet Feb 2016 #90
"Yes, we are a real news outlet." SMC22307 Jan 2016 #58
Reminds me of SpamDan, they love his propaganda too. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #59
I just Googled Anita Finlay. Seems she's a soap opera actress... SMC22307 Jan 2016 #63
LOL! She plays a doctor on tv? You can't make this stuff up: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #64
LOL Not even a journalist! SMC22307 Jan 2016 #66
Yep, she tried to pull a fast one, and they wonder why we mock bloggers? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #67
Yeah, that was a nice dramatic flourish. SMC22307 Jan 2016 #68
This thread needs a fainting couch! Or pearls to clutch! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #69
Or a little building that gives shelter to puppies!!! nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #72
A little heated puppy palace! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #73
lol Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #76
Is this the guy? What's his bio? SMC22307 Feb 2016 #78
Yep. Seems like it. Read post #54 by EdwardBernays. The Wielding Truth Feb 2016 #82
Wow. Honest campaign, huh? DanTex Jan 2016 #2
This is a serious issue BainsBane Jan 2016 #12
As I see it, there are two issues. One is claiming foreign policy advisors that at best have had DanTex Jan 2016 #14
Very thin pamphlet like credentials. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #33
cutting corners enid602 Jan 2016 #17
+1 NurseJackie Jan 2016 #30
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #88
Thanks for another insider K-Street bit of Bullshit, he hasn't been in the senate long, right ? orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #3
You can call the advisers on his list yourself BainsBane Jan 2016 #8
Yes I do, That's why I'll be making my daily calls to Voters, not shit merchants . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #27
Troubling indeed ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #4
A Hillary propaganda site founded in the summer of 2015. cali Jan 2016 #5
Are you claiming the information within is not true? Or that you just don't care about it? DanTex Jan 2016 #16
Politico Empowerer Jan 2016 #36
on the other hand, the fact that hillary took war advice from w, cheney, restorefreedom Jan 2016 #7
In a fair world, the lot of them would be in prison. Now, where does that leave Hillary's judgement nc4bo Jan 2016 #19
gramma was right. hillarys company says she cannot be trusted or believed. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #20
^^^^^^^^^Says it all. avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #21
When did Hillary take "war advice" from those people? oberliner Jan 2016 #23
Thats right Restore, deflect, deflect, deflect. Nitram Jan 2016 #42
Don't forget Kissinger the war criminal. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #43
She didn't take their advice-- she followed their ORDERS-- John Poet Feb 2016 #91
Hmmmm.... DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #11
This is discouraging mcar Jan 2016 #13
Get away with what? Be careful where you place your trust. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #28
Your concern is... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #32
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #89
DU rec... SidDithers Jan 2016 #15
Wow, the title says it all. R B Garr Jan 2016 #18
Did anyone actually say With certainty that they didn't talk to him or someone on his campaign? aikoaiko Jan 2016 #22
lack of foreign policy = war as last option SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #24
Daily News Bin is Anita Finlay's blog created to support Hillary Clinton and named 'News' to obscure Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #25
Some of these tactical write-ups are just beyond the pale. Avalux Jan 2016 #26
LOL! DCBob Jan 2016 #29
Totally! R B Garr Jan 2016 #38
And Hillary's “foreign policy consultants” cause her to vote for trumped-up, bogus wars that killed ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #31
Better luck tomorrow.. frylock Jan 2016 #35
That's a general election killer from the republicans bigdarryl Jan 2016 #37
Thank God Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #39
Bwahahahaha... 99Forever Jan 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #49
LMAO! Perfect! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #53
Not this time. I back him without any foreign policy statement, and I'll tell you why. ancianita Jan 2016 #51
You stated what jen63 Jan 2016 #70
Sure. There's talk of when he should make such a statement, but I don't think it's well timed ancianita Jan 2016 #71
The OP is a lie EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #54
So they did speak to him? Well what do you know? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #60
"In fact some of the people on Bernie’s list have endorsed his rival Hillary Clinton." Number23 Jan 2016 #55
Hum, bummer, can't provide names of advisors, maybe another advisor Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #56
November speech on Foreign Policy Jarqui Jan 2016 #57
Jake Tapper pressed the issue today ecstatic Jan 2016 #61
"He wanted to hear different perspectives. He demonstrated command of the topic," SMC22307 Jan 2016 #62
And the blogger/soap opera actress lied, turns out he did speak to them. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #65
How many times do BainsBane Jan 2016 #74
The Crap Blog is lying about the Politico piece. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #75
First sentence in the Politico piece: R B Garr Feb 2016 #81
Aaaand the person who made that statement DID speak to Sanders. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #83
More quotes from the Politico piece: R B Garr Feb 2016 #87
Neither of those statements equal "have never spoken to him." SMC22307 Feb 2016 #93
The Politico piece is clear. It really takes some deliberate R B Garr Feb 2016 #94
The Clinton Fan Blog is lying. Why would it do that? SMC22307 Feb 2016 #95
The piece is from POLITICO R B Garr Feb 2016 #96
Are you just figuring that out? Yes, and it doesn't state what the Crap Blog... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #97
I figured this was just pure pettiness on your part R B Garr Feb 2016 #98
No, you are just figuring it out about POLITICO. You thought you R B Garr Feb 2016 #99
It was crystal clear a few minutes into the 2nd debate that Bernie wasn't nearly as informed ucrdem Feb 2016 #79
Foreign Policy Experience! IllinoisBrenel Feb 2016 #80
And Hillary's are full of people that pay her off. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #84
So does mine. Fearless Feb 2016 #86

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. Another hit piece from the dailytrashbin.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

Buttongate, logogate and mailergate! Chilling indeed!

This from a supporter of one of the most dishonest campaigners ever.


BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
6. This is documented in the Politico article
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

Clearly you find the disclosure irrelevant. That truly is unfortunate . It is an extremely serious matter.
I find your laughter at it disconcerting but sadly predictable.

Our country deserves an informed and an engaged citizenry that holds its leaders accountable. It deserves leaders who take foreign policy seriously rather than one who claims to have foreign policy advisers who don't even know him.
This is a serious, serious issue. Your typical, content free, automated response doesn't cut it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. It's a site created to catapult pro-Hillary propaganda.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

Don't blame me if no one takes it seriously other than Hillary supporters.

As websites go it's more Baghdad Bob than anything else. I'm half expecting a BREAKING news story about how Bernie is related to Bat Boy from them next.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
77. Bat boy?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:28 AM
Feb 2016

Really?

I had no idea.

I do agree with you about the dirt, though. This is good old fashioned Rovian ratfucking at its best. Here's what I think about the new 'allegations.'

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
85. I would rather have a leader without consultants,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

than consultants without a leader (Hillary).

At any rate, having a ton of consultants has never prevented Hillary from taking a WRONG position on a host of foreign policy issues...

And when I say "WRONG position",
I mean a neoconservative position which differs little in substance
from those promulgated by a George W. Bush or a Dick Cheney:
Pushing for "regime change" in a host of countries, starting with Iraq,
and her support for the Patriot Act and all the repressive practices that have grown out of that, at home.

Should I blame that on her consultants,
or on her?



LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
92. The Sanders Campaign manager really brings it
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

with all that genuine authenticity. Reminding Hillary's supporters that we are but minions of evil.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
40. Beamer, clearly you respond to any information that might be detrimental to Sanders...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

...by sliming the messenger. That kind of unquestioning loyalty is probably what accounts for staffers who listed "foreign policy consultants" that were never directly consulted. Pull your head out of the sand and accept it the Sanders and his campaign are not without flaws.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. In this case the messenger (the blog) came pre-slimed.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

And I'll just ignore your straw man since I never said any of those things.


Nitram

(22,801 posts)
45. Never said any of what things?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

I'm pointing out that you ignore the charges and just slime Clinton and her supporters instead. Reading comprehension?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. This:
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016
Pull your head out of the sand and accept it the Sanders and his campaign are not without flaws.


When you can prove that I need to accept something I never rejected let me know.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
47. When you respond to an article about dishonesty in the Sanders campaign with...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

"Buttongate, logogate and mailergate! Chilling indeed!

This from a supporter of one of the most dishonest campaigners ever. "

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. Yeah...no. I rejected the blog post in the op.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

My response was to the latest breathless scandal from a lame blogger who considered it so important and damning that they had to lump it in with last week's manufactured gnus.

And yes it was also a response to the op who just last night argued that Hillary didn't run a dishonest, racist campaign in 2008.

It's a glass houses thing.

I don't get my news from blogs that are owned by Hillary fans and I certainly don't recoil in shock when posters who have been smearing my candidate for months claim they're "chilled" by something they read on one.

Ymmv.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
50. If you don't or can't respond to the point in the OP, then your head is firmly planted...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

...where the sun don't shine. If you have nothing to say about the substance, then why comment at all? Nuff said.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. Because I don't jump when you tell me to jump I'm the one with a problem?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

Horse puckey.

The op and you expected a huge reaction to the BREAKING news story and didn't get it.

You'll get over it.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
90. You resemble that remark,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

not seeming to "get" that you haven't been hired to set standards on the manner in which anyone else decides to post.



SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
63. I just Googled Anita Finlay. Seems she's a soap opera actress...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

but she played a doctor, so maybe we all should defer to her! Big Hillary fan. No surprise there. I didn't bother with the other "real news outlet" contributors, since I imagine it's more of the same.

The Politico article doesn't back up the claims in the Daily Bin hit piece, no matter how much Camp Weathervane claims otherwise.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
66. LOL Not even a journalist!
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, well, fun aside, the bullshit in the Daily "News" Bin still isn't backed up by the Politico piece. Do they think we're stupid? Lazy?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. Yep, she tried to pull a fast one, and they wonder why we mock bloggers?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

I wonder if the op is still "chilled" by the faux "news"?


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
69. This thread needs a fainting couch! Or pearls to clutch!
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for doing the research, that's going to have me chuckling all evening.


SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
78. Is this the guy? What's his bio?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:34 AM
Feb 2016

How about race car driver? Soap opera star is already taken.

https://www.facebook.com/thebillpalmer

Christy Bishop Cricow appears to be an interior designer.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christy-bishop-cricow-927b4528

Hard-hitting journalists, one and all!

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
12. This is a serious issue
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jan 2016

goes beyond the typical gotcha nonsense. This is about a leading candidate's preparedness and the degree to which he takes responsibilities of the office seriously. That so many decide a priori that they don't care is precisely why we have a government insufficiently accountable to the people.

Any responsible citizen should at least pause and seek to know the facts, even if they think the world of Bernie.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. As I see it, there are two issues. One is claiming foreign policy advisors that at best have had
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

a few not very in-depth conversations with him.

The other is his failure to make his promised foreign policy speech, or to present a coherent foreign policy vision, other than not having voted for the IWR.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
8. You can call the advisers on his list yourself
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jan 2016

If you believe the press has fabricated it. Talk to them. See if they actually consult regularly with Sanders. Do you even care?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. Troubling indeed ...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016
But the list of foreign policy experts he’s consulted with, which appears to have been largely made up out of thin air, is more troubling. One person on the list says she vaguely recalls perhaps speaking with him six months ago. Another was asked how he got on the list and his answer was “I don’t know.”


Things like this are not very confidence-inspiring to me.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. A Hillary propaganda site founded in the summer of 2015.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jan 2016

There are quite a few of these faux news sites.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
36. Politico
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431

Politico has been no friend of the Clintons and negative Hillary stories are regularly and gleefully cited here by BS supporters, so trashing this source at this point is quite disingenuous.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
7. on the other hand, the fact that hillary took war advice from w, cheney,
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jan 2016

rumsfeld, powell, rice and wolfowitcz troubles them not at all.

gods these are interesting times we live in



nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
19. In a fair world, the lot of them would be in prison. Now, where does that leave Hillary's judgement
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

and what does that say about her, I wonder?

You will be judged by the company you keep, my gramma always said.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
42. Thats right Restore, deflect, deflect, deflect.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

When in doubt, reach into the grab bag of anti-Clinton talking points and throw whatever comes out.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
43. Don't forget Kissinger the war criminal.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

I know Bernie is no expert and so does he, but I also know he won't consult a war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands.

If he wins I trust him to choose experts, no president can go it alone.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
24. lack of foreign policy = war as last option
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jan 2016

More than $1,000,000,000,000 – More than the Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, CIA, NSA, FBI...
If that is not enough – there is not enough

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. Daily News Bin is Anita Finlay's blog created to support Hillary Clinton and named 'News' to obscure
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jan 2016

that fact. I don't really respect that tactic much. An opinion blog should not pose as objective news. I know Anita ever so slightly, we have met let's put it that way so that's all I'm saying is that calling an opinion piece news is what they do over at Fox and it is not my cup of tea.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
26. Some of these tactical write-ups are just beyond the pale.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary has a machine behind her full of money and resources, and just like the Republicans, they're resorting to name-calling and fabrications, presenting this crap to the public as legitimate journalism.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
31. And Hillary's “foreign policy consultants” cause her to vote for trumped-up, bogus wars that killed
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

...thousands of our troops and 100,000s of innocent people.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
39. Thank God
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

I'm so glad he's not listening to:

Former Assistant Defense Secretary Derek Chollet, former Pentagon and CIA Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash, and former Deputy National Security Adviser Julianne Smith from Beacon Global Strategies that advises Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

Former Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns from Cohen Group, a consulting firm founded by former Defense Secretary William Cohen. The firm “assists aerospace and defense firms on policy, business development, and transactions,” including deals in the U.S., Turkey, Israel, and the Middle East.

Former Undersecretary of Defense Jim Miller, an advisory board member to Endgame Systems, a start-up that has been called the “Blackwater of Hacking.” Miller is also on the board of BEI Precision Systems & Space, a military contractor.

and others . . .

I'll take Sanders judgment (and my own) over these advisors any day!

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

ancianita

(36,057 posts)
51. Not this time. I back him without any foreign policy statement, and I'll tell you why.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

HERE IS WHY FOREIGN POLICY IS NOT AN IMPORTANT CANDIDATE STRENGTH -- at least for an experienced Senator with two brain cells to rub together.

1. The People come first. Always. Domestic policy -- The People -- should be the priority of all democracy's campaigns.

2. Republicans have campaigned the military-might-chest-beating to death -- to death! Military fear budgeting is psychotic.

The military/foreign policy givens: years of battles lied about, videotaped, won and lost, homeless vets, undersupplied troops, drone civilian attacks and WHAT Intel? Suborned intel.

Now the defeated suck our budget out of us the way Reagan sucked the failing Soviets' budget!

American foreign policy looks so fucking classified that no established states will share an official vision not tainted by international secret trade agreements!

3. This is the David Brock playbook 'next play.' Falling for that tiredtiredtired old school fearmongering crap is currently the death of us -- from individual to nation -- as it saps our domestic body politic.


4. THE primary issue: If we don't rebuild domestically -- we must rebuild domestically -- there will be little worth defending -- even if it's just to defend low-cost city real estate and public lands full of the "self-employed."

Why? Because millions of psychically and economically defeated will not really care about any 'new overlords.' Americans will stop being the "united" states.

Underneath high visibility presidential politics is this reality -- that even as they are betrayed, lied to, hungry, tired, too incapacitated to fight or think for themselves, Americans may look down but they're not out.

Those plutocrats who think they can steal from the 99%, and then run this country without the 99%, they'll find out that when Americans recover, they will come for them. Unless ours are as wise as the plutocrats of Europe. That's doubtful.

5. Bernie has a record of providing for the defense. The MIC WILL get their funding. They WILL cut waste, do more with less. Troops WILL get more benefits, not contractors. I'm ready to call it Defense Austerity Preparedness.

Meanwhile, there's plenty PLENTY of good foreign policy help out there for Sanders. He's got the Joint Chiefs for one angle and the whole deep state at the State Department and three letter agencies for the other angles. Not to mention the advice of previous presidents.

6. Rebuilding plans are, for our People, now more important than a foreign policy speech.




jen63

(813 posts)
70. You stated what
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

rumbles around in my brain with out organization, very succinctly. Can I talk you into posting this as an op?!

ancianita

(36,057 posts)
71. Sure. There's talk of when he should make such a statement, but I don't think it's well timed
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

as an OP right before the Iowa. I'm willing to wait until the results are in and not take this last minute bait from the Hillary people.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
54. The OP is a lie
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jan 2016

"And several people whom the Sanders campaign has cited as sources of national security advice tell POLITICO they barely know the socialist firebrand."

vs:

"have never spoken to him"



"I had a conversation with him last August,” said Tamara Cofman Wittes, a Brookings Institution Middle East scholar, after checking her calendar"

vs:

"have never spoken to him"



"Ray Takeyh, an Iran scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations who says he spoke to Sanders once or twice"

vs:

"have never spoken to him"




"Five of the people cited by his campaign say they have only spoken to him once or twice."

vs:

"have never spoken to him"



In fact there's not a SINGLE instance in the entire article where someone is listed as giving him foreign policy advice that has never spoken to Sanders.

Why you would CHOOSE to lie about that, then link to an article ABOUT the article, instead of the actual article, making it harder for people to figure out you weren't being honest, is well beyond me...

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
57. November speech on Foreign Policy
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jan 2016


on ISIS


Speech against war in 1991


Answering Foreign policy questions

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
61. Jake Tapper pressed the issue today
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016

Jake's a jerk, I know...But when pressed, Bernie mentioned some dude who worked in Reagan's administration?

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
62. "He wanted to hear different perspectives. He demonstrated command of the topic,"
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

THE HORROR! Kinda like Abraham Lincoln, eh? Hillary? Not so much.

Not surprising...

only 16 percent of Democratic primary voters call foreign policy or terrorism the most important issue to them,


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431P

It's jobs and the economy, stupid.

Please name names as to who Bernie never spoke to. EXACT names.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
74. How many times do
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

You have to be told the source is Politico?
What evidence do you have that Politico lied?

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
75. The Crap Blog is lying about the Politico piece.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:17 AM
Feb 2016

Nowhere in the Politico piece is there any proof of Bernie's "list of “foreign policy consultants” is full of people who have never spoken to him."

Seriously, did you even read the Politico piece? Skimming Crap Blogs is really lazy.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
83. Aaaand the person who made that statement DID speak to Sanders.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

Still nothing backs up the Crap Blog's lies about "never speaking to," but do keep trying.

....

“I don’t know how I got on Bernie Sanders’ list,” said Ray Takeyh, an Iran scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations who says he spoke to Sanders once or twice about the Iran nuclear deal at Sanders’ request in mid-2015.

....

Though he said he is no Sanders confidant, Takeyh called the Vermonter thoughtful on the subject of the Iran nuclear deal. Takeyh opposed the deal, but Sanders called him anyway. "He wanted to hear different perspectives. He demonstrated command of the topic," Takeyh said.

....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431#ixzz3ytfTBrNq

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
87. More quotes from the Politico piece:
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

"I have a vague recollection that...'

"I apparently had a conversation with him last August."

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
93. Neither of those statements equal "have never spoken to him."
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

Face it... the Hillary Fan Blog is lying. Why on earth would Hillary supporters lie?

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
94. The Politico piece is clear. It really takes some deliberate
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

obtuseness and just stubborn hostility to deny what the piece is saying, which it looks you are wallowing in. Why would Bernie supporters lie?*

*note to jury: I only added the part about Bernie supporters because of the hostile attack in the post I'm responding to which basically called me a liar when all I did was quote from the article.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
95. The Clinton Fan Blog is lying. Why would it do that?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

The Politico piece in no way, shape or form backs up the accusation of "never spoken to him."

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
97. Are you just figuring that out? Yes, and it doesn't state what the Crap Blog...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

claims it does.

We're done. Just like Hillary may be in Iowa.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
98. I figured this was just pure pettiness on your part
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

There is no other explanation except pettiness. It's that obvious.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
99. No, you are just figuring it out about POLITICO. You thought you
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:14 AM
Feb 2016

we're going to score blows by calling people liars, but that only made you look foolish and you had no choice but to acknowledge POLITICO.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
79. It was crystal clear a few minutes into the 2nd debate that Bernie wasn't nearly as informed
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:39 AM
Feb 2016

as Hillary. And that's a problem because the permanent war economy mobilizes around inexperience and naiveté to launch its horrors, going back to Eisenhower and before that to the Rome of Cicero and Caesar and probably long before that.

p.s. I took one look at that ginormous list and had to laugh. Thanks for the backgrounder. And to those unhappy about the articles, we don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

IllinoisBrenel

(51 posts)
80. Foreign Policy Experience!
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:40 AM
Feb 2016

When it comes to Foreign policy experience, how much did President Obama have when he became President? None, and how much did Hillary have when she became SOS, she was a former one term Senator!

And it showed! She criticized the hostage exchange from Iran before they had left Iran! In other words she undermined the President's actions! i don't know much about diplomacy, but believe her public statement could put those sailors in danger! And her willingness to overthrow Gadaffi! And the "we came,,,we saw...he died" That's not the way I want my President to act!

Bernie has been in the House and Senate for over 25 years, and I imagine he has voted on quite a few foreign policy bills in that time! And I know he has shown good judgment, the Iraqi war vote, for example!

He will be a great Commander in Chief!

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