Why Hillary's Health Care Plan Really Failed; Single Payer Was A Front For HMO-Health Maintenace

[DhhD]

Organizations Privatization. The Clinton Administration worked to privatize many entities and remove many regulations. Now Hillary Clinton still refuses to move forward with single payer, Glass-Steagall and other Progressive Democratic policies. Americans are asking for-Change. We are asking for single payer like Canada and other advanced countries in the world. We are voting for Change.


NOVEMBER 12, 2007
Why Hillary’s Health Care Plan Really Failed
by VICENTE NAVARRO

http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/11/12/why-hillary-s-health-care-plan-really-failed/


In 1992, Bill Clinton adopted only the single payer for all, talking points, from the 1988 Democratic Campaign. The Clinton's were actually promoting HMO instead. Democrats recognized the difference. HMOs became the R-Romney Healthcare Plan in Massachusetts before third way/New Democrats picked it up as ACA in 2008. ACA is the step before the -Change - to single payer universal care.

[Hoyt]

1. Actually, she was promoting locally controlled health plans that would help contain cost.

It failed, but had more support than Sanders' 2010 single payer Bill. Clinton learned something about the stupid people in this country and what it takes to get something like this enacted. Sanders hasn't learned that yet, or he has but figures his supporters are gullible enough to believe he can do it if he makes it sound like it will cost them practically nothing.

[DhhD]

2. Sanders has already lined up how it would be paid for and over a hundred well know economist

agree with him. Who agrees with Hillary and Bill Clinton? Those who want to continue paying several hundred dollars a month in insurance premiums instead of a 2.2% tax on payroll-Not through Income Tax.

Americans are waking up. Most Privatizing needs to get Burned.

[Hoyt]

3. Yeah, Sanders is another one of those who thinks negotiating drug prices will save $300 Billion,

when we only spend $300 Billion.

Anyone can say they are going to cut Healthcare spending from the current $3 trillion to 1.38 trillion, but that's based upon a lot of savings that aren't likely to materialize. People have been pushing such savings for 40 years, and they never happen.

[99Forever]

4. Bullshit.

You should really stop lying about Sanders. It's just plain fucking ugly.

[Hoyt]

5. Not lying, and plenty of good Democrats - Krugman, Klein, etc. - believe his numbers

are BS. Single payer is worthy, but be honest about cost and chances of passing with today's Congress.

[99Forever]

6. Just stop.

We get it.

You're doing what Surrender Monkeys do best.

Quitting without even trying.

[DhhD]

10. So your are ok with Hillary's New Plan. Give all healthcare over to Profiteer Privatizers like

healthcare insurance companies and high priced Big Pharma.

IMO, you are saying that Hillary Clinton seems to be moving Right again. How far can she go before becoming a Republican again? Seems she has just arrived on the abandonment of single payer healthcare like Medicare where Privatized insurance companies are used as supplemental care with the government in control of prices for Senior citizens who have very limited funds to live on. Oh by the way, most of the middle class in America now fits that limited funds to live on; living below a living wage. Something is going to give: Will it be Clintoncare/ACA, or a - Yes We Can- change over to single payer/Universal Healthcare for all Americans?

http://fusion.net/story/171317/15-an-hour-still-isnt-a-living-wage-in-every-single-state/

[Hoyt]

13. Sanders' plan won't pass and the numbers don't add up. Is that your idea of a solution?

Let's also prohibit cancer, probably have more chance of that than Congress enacting Sanders' plan.

You do realize that ACA could become universal health care, especially with a public option, increase subsidies, and lower out-of-pocket costs.

Don't see a lot of difference in Clinton's vs Sanders' minimum wage plan because Clinton's would adjust het base rate to cost-of-living. Either would be a big improvement if enacted.

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8. Hillary's Drug Cost Plan was to ask big Pharma for a 20% decline in prices. That was before

the hugh price increase that came in the Fall.

Clinton has not updated her failed Plan, or has she? What is going on with Senator McCaskill's committee? Clinton's has seen and addressed the monster HMOs have created. Add to that that most Americans are now only allowed 2 paid visits per year on the Bronze and Silver Plans. By November, Americans are going to be really mad; but not at Sanders. McCaskill supports Clinton. So is McCaskill pushing for the Drug Companies to answer the Senate Committee. I believe that answer is, No.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/collins-mccaskill-open-senate-investigation-into-rx-drug-pricing-announce-intention-to-hold-hearings-300172186.html
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"Some of the recent actions we've seen in the pharmaceutical industry—with corporate acquisitions followed by dramatic increases in the prices of pre-existing drugs—have looked like little more than price gouging," said McCaskill, former Missouri State Auditor and courtroom prosecutor. "We need to get to the bottom of why we're seeing huge spikes in drug prices that seemingly have no relationship to research and development costs. I'm proud to help lead this bipartisan investigation so that we can find some answers the public wants and deserves."

The Senators have requested documents and information from four pharmaceutical companies: Valeant Pharmaceuticals, Turing Pharmaceuticals, Retrophin Inc, and Rodelis Therapeutics. Each request focuses on drugs that have seen recent and significant spikes in price.
more at link

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7. Is that the same plan that claimed we'd wind up with negative pharmaceutical spending?

Yeah, I'll pass on that, thanks.

[Dems to Win]

9. Clinton never, ever said the words 'single payer'

Bob Kerrey, former Nebraska Senator, was the one in the 1992 campaign to say he was for single payer health care and would stand up to the insurance companies to make it happen.

Hillary was always for 'managed competition,' keeping the insurance companies in the system.

I was very frustrated with Hillary's health care task force, meeting in secret, refusing to even discuss or acknowledge the existence of the single-payer model, and finally failing to get a plan of any kind even voted on in Congress.

Hillary's in the unique position of having been given a trial run at being President, given the full authority by Bill to handle health care reform from the White House. She failed miserably.

[DhhD]

11. Universal Healthcare is and was no HMO. It is a single payer program like Medicare and Medicaid.

Hillarycare and Cintoncare was and is not single payer healthcare.

Canada has had a single payer program of universal healthcare.

America has a single payer program called Medicare for Seniors and people with disabilities.

Hillary did not fail. She and Bill ended their Clintoncare because the people of America knew that Bill only borrowed the talking points of the 1988 Democratic Candidate for his Single Payer Plan, but being third way New Democrats, they tried to privatize healthcare by limiting care. Americans said, NO.

What do we have now for 2016? Limited doctor visits: Two or three visits per year depending on which ACA Plan you are on. Americans are saying NO, again. Hillary is trying to shove limited care on to Americans. We are angry and many more will be by November GE. Clinton will not be able to defeat the Republicans after working with them to privatize. She will be publicly blamed for limited and costly care. Wake up!

[Dems to Win]

12. I have no idea what you are talking about

My ACA plan doesn't limit me to 2 doctor visits per year

The Clintons have NEVER been in favor of single payer health care. That's why I posted in response to your OP.

[DhhD]

14. That would mean that the Clinton's are not in favor of Medicare, a single payer system.

That seems to be saying that never being in favor of Medicare is from a Republican Platform. Or it may be third way. Thanks for kicking my thread.

Medicare is to single payer what Obamacare is to ACA.

The most affordable plans, ACA-Affordable Plans, limits healthcare to two or three insurance paid office visits. Many people who were without insurance have chosen affordable plans that limit paid office visits because that is all they can afford.

Perhaps a PPO Plan is less copay insurance, less out of pocket and could be taxable.

[DhhD]

16. Here are Clinton's won words about single payer system.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/
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"If, for whatever reason, the Congress doesn't pass health care reform, I believe, and I may be to totally off base on this, but I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system," she said. " I don't even think it's a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country... It will be such a huge popular issue... that even if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be. "

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15. Hillarycare failed because of Hillary's inept leadership. She couldn't even get it out of

Committee with a Dem majority. She was secretive and alienated Dems in Congress. It's been documented over and over again how freaking inept she was as a leader. Now, she is running around trying to take credit for Obamacare. Obamacare got passed thanks to Obama, Pelosi and Reid's leadership. Hillary's inept ass has nothing to do with it.