How Can Hillary Stand Tall When She's Done Evil Like This

[berni_mccoy]

- Sitting on the board of Wal-Mart While Wal-Mart Destroyed Unions: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1

- Promoting Welfare Reform during Bill's Presidency (aka The Worst Thing Hillary Has Done): http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

- Racial campaign tactics alone in 2008 are enough evil: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251758204

- Having Mark Penn run her campaign in 2008 while he negotiated trade deals for the Bush Administration: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5433807

- Accepting Speaking Fees from THE Financial Institutions that responsible for The Financial Collapse: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/us/politics/in-race-defined-by-income-gap-hillary-clintons-wall-street-ties-incite-rivals.html?_r=0

- Having Podesta be her campaign manager


- Having DAVID FUCKING BROCK run her SuperPAC!: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511092296

Someone questioned that I dared to say Hillary has done evil here. Well if the above list isn't the evil that she's done, I don't know what the hell is.

[peacebird]

1. Kick

[Donkees]

2. define hubris...

[cali]

3. I actually think sitting on Wal-Mart's board

is way down on the list of things she's done that I have a problem with.

[INdemo]

24. Its not the fact she sat on the Walmart Board but

when Walmart spent millions to spread their anti-union message,fought to keep their emplyee's from organizing and fired employees (and got away with it) that were pushing for a Union Shop,Hillary just stood by, did nothing and praised Walmart for being a great employer.

Then she begged for Union support and Union Executive Councils rewarded her..(Not the General Membership) the Exec Councils.

[leftupnorth]

4. It's not evil

When a corporate Democrat does it.

It's just 'pragmatic' and 'realistic'.

Lol

[Ed Suspicious]

59. I wonder if that's what republicans tell themselves as well.

[uponit7771]

5. On planet Bern Sanders can throw stones all day long!! Back on planet Earth Sanders has his own

... bag of bad to slug around.

None of these candidates can throw stones and the consummate Hillary hate from the left is to be as ignored as it has been from the right

[Ed Suspicious]

61. Well somebody needs to throw some fucking stones!

More of the same ain't getting us there!

[uponit7771]

95. it aint Sanders I tell you that... "Slight better" isn't something many can afford and of course...

... the status quo isn't going to get us anywhere neither is allowing perfect and good being the enemy of adequate and that's what we have right now in some situations with a historically gerrymandered GOP congress.

Where was all this "revolution" in 2010!!!!

[green917]

62. senator sanders' bag of bad

Okay, then, as the op does here, provide links to the things that senator sanders has done that supported policies and/or institutions that harmed average americans.

[uponit7771]

96. His gun position throughout the years... enough for me

[green917]

100. so, you're a 1 issue voter

You see, i can name 25 positions/votes that secretary clinton has taken from foreign policy (iwr vote, push for regime change in Libya, hawkishness on syria,etc) to domestic policy (support for nafta, her 180 on health care, support for the tpp and keystone xl, etc) that preclude me from being able to support her in good conscience. Personally, I'd rather go with the guy that got it right 99% of the time .

[uponit7771]

104. Nope, CFMA and his stance on immigration overall... not just ILLEGAL immigration but overall

... immigration along his pixy dust politics where he has no real practical answers on getting past legislation he has chided others on for not "fighting" for.... that's not only principle but its plan too...

After Sanders SP plan out with no outline on how he's going to get the medical industry to accept half of what they're makin now it looks like Sanders has been sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks...

Seeing his implementation is no better than what we have now...

He also is going to lead a revolution with too many asterisks by it, I don't see where Sanders coalition is reaching the poor... most of the poor support Hillary and most well off dems support Sanders...

I have a list but no... not just one issue... and Hillary getting right 85% of the time in the past and 97% right today doesn't mean I'm going to try something slightly better with an unknown chance of winning.

I can't afford to take that chance

[Empowerer]

6. Welcome to rightwingunderground.com. Oh, this is still DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND.COM? Can't tell anymore

Reminds me of the last chapter of Animal Farm. Hard to tell the animals from the humans anymore . . .

[Oilwellian]

12. Which are you, animal or human? n/t

[Fast Walker 52]

13. No, it's BernieSandersUnderground.com

Heehee!

[TIME TO PANIC]

14. So, if we call democrats out for doing right wing things, where somehow right wing?

Interesting.

[oberliner]

21. Calling a leading Democratic presidential candidate "evil" is a bit beyond that

Don't you think?

[berni_mccoy]

23. So, you are saying the things listed above are not evil?

Got it.

[oberliner]

31. Yes, I am definitely saying that

This is the sort of thing that is evil:

Boko Haram massacres village, burning children alive, and using suicide bombers

ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) — A survivor hidden in a tree says he watched Boko Haram extremists firebomb huts and heard the screams of children among people burned to death in the latest attack by Nigeria's homegrown Islamic extremists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027575108

Having Mark Penn, John Podesta, and David Brock work on your campaign or accepting speaking fees does not make you evil.

[berni_mccoy]

35. Says you.

Hurting the middle class by making deals with the devil just so you can get ahead makes you evil in my book (and apparently many others' books as well)

[oberliner]

43. Fair enough

But on a message board that is explicitly devoted to the cause of helping to get Democrats elected, it is a little strange to encounter the term "evil" being applied to a leading Democratic candidate for president. To me, that seems a step beyond merely advocating for a preferred primary candidate and criticizing the positions of the opposing one.

[OhZone]

46. Exactly. Also, it's THE leading Democratic candidate. nt

[wtawilltaw]

57. It dont help when....

Supporting candidate H to the GE becomes an election that America as a whole would think it's a vote for the lesser of two evils. Face it supporting DINOs have been more destructive to the party than some dispute on a forum with said title. It's time to start giving these politicians one shot at office to prove they will vote for the parties platform.

Today's democrats are the good cops that go along with the bad cops as they murder, kidnap and imprison civilians then help them cover up.

[uppityperson]

84. Welcome to DU. Who are you supporting for president?

[TIME TO PANIC]

25. Maybe, I'd just call her selfish.

[oberliner]

32. That would be reasonable

I feel like that distinguishes the people who want to genuinely have a debate about our candidates versus just demonizing the one that they don't like. That is the difference between using a reasonable word like "selfish" and a ridiculous one like "evil" to describe these actions.

[Lage Nom Ai]

63. Okay

Lets remove the word evil and insert conservative. Please rebate how the above points reflect the democratic wanted platform.

[corkhead]

33. I'm no grammatical genius by a long stretch, but I believe in this case "evil" is an adverb;

a modifier of what she has done, not an adjective which would be a modifier of the candidate herself.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. to do (verb) + evil (noun functioning as object) = verb + object. No adverb in sight.

hyperbole =
noun, Rhetoric.
1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole


exaggerate =
verb (used with object), exaggerated, exaggerating.
1.
to magnify beyond the limits of truth; overstate; represent disproportionately:
to exaggerate the difficulties of a situation.
2.
to increase or enlarge abnormally:
Those shoes exaggerate the size of my feet.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exaggeration?s=t

[corkhead]

76. Like I said, I am no grammatical genius. You are correct, evil is a noun in this case

but not an adjective. She does evil things, but is not is not being called evil like the person I responded to said.

I guess that is why you added what I thought at first to be unrelated information about the word "hyperbole"

Thanks

[Surya Gayatri]

81. Grammar is my home turf, if you like, as I'm a retired English teacher. Couldn't resist...

Actually, my "hyperbole/exaggeration" reference was obliquely intended not for you, but for the OP. Use of the noun "evil" in this context is a flagrant distortion.

Pedophilia is evil--pedophiles do evil.

The Paris terrorists were evil--they did evil.

Egregious epithet flinging adds nothing to the discussion.

[paleotn]

60. Well, if the fucking shoe fits, cinderella....

...fucking wear it!

[thesquanderer]

15. I guess that should be a SPOILER ALERT for those who haven't read Animal Farm.

But if that's going to be your analogy, whose supporters are the humans and whose supporters are the animals? (Not sure there's a good answer for anyone there...)

p.s. - Orwell was a social democrat, at least according to wikipedia...

[Empowerer]

42. If they're interested in politics and haven't read Animal Farm, they should stop spouting off on DU

and go read some books.

[pangaia]

20. Simple facts.

Nothing to do with right- or left wing. Just corporatists on both sides.

[earthside]

38. Right!

Imagine that there would be any support on democraticunderground.com for a major contender for the nomination that is as pro-corporate at Mrs. Clinton.

Her candidacy would indeed be more comfortably received at rightwingunderground.com.

As to Orwell ... indeed, it is as if the Hillarians are chanting "Corporate contributions good! Corporate super PACs better!"

Here's another appropriate Orwell allusion:

[rhett o rick]

85. This is a discussion board where we discuss. The OP brings up legitimate points that

it seems you would rather censor than refute. Now that would be rw underground where everything against HRC is censored.

A lot of honest non-rw people see lots of problems with Clinton's honesty, her quest for great wealth, her close ties to those that profited from the bank crisis, her close ties to the MIC, etc. We need to end the corruption in our government.

[SamKnause]

7. K&R

[Agschmid]

8. Did you have a candidate you wanted to support?

Seems that was just a tear down...

[Hekate]

91. Sad, isn't it?

[Empowerer]

9. This post was alerted, but is still here so apparently DU's standards have slipped even further

[99Forever]

11. Truth is the best defence.

Honesty is only a sign of DU's standards have slipping even further to dishonest people.

I think it's a sign of actual Democrat waking up to the fucking game being played upon them and taking back the site for the Good Guys.

[Jackilope]

16. An alert when we should be AWAKE

Blessed be the truth tellers and whistleblowers. If the OP gets hidden, pretty sad times at DU.

[pangaia]

22. The truth will set you free.

Sleepers awake.

Know thyself.

Get rid of the money changers....

the eye of a needle....

the least among us...

[Bleacher Creature]

28. Slipped? There are no standards anymore.

I assume the OP was upheld? An OP that called the likely Democratic nominee "evil" based on logic so weak and rushed that it wasn't even worthy of a spell check.

Really sad.

[enid602]

48. logic

By that same logic, I guess Bernie is a saint because no Boards of Directors would have him. He's untainted because no one would pay to hear him speak. He's pure because he has so few endorsements among his peers. He's not part of 'pay for play' because he does not raise money for other Democratic candidates. He's not corrupt as he has no charitable foundation.

[Gene Debs]

34. Alerted for what!? Posting things that are demonstrably true?

[hifiguy]

90. Truth is an absolute defense.

[JudyM]

10. K&R.

[MissDeeds]

17. K&R

[DanTex]

18. Evil, huh? LOL. Especially ironic when contrasted with the threads trying to pretend that

Bernie fans aren't way more hateful in online behavior than Hillary fans.

[Bleacher Creature]

53. False equivalence run amok.

Apparently pointing out that Bernie's never really been a serious lawmaker and that he tends to be a bit paternalistic in his language regarding women and POC is EXACTLY the same as calling HRC evil, accusing John Lewis and Al Franken of being "sell-outs," discouraging contributions to Planned Parenthood, and attacking Michael Brown's mother on her personal Facebook page.

[nc4bo]

19. Soul, SOLD to the highest bidder! nt

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Ambiguous through and through .

[pnwmom]

27. I won't bother with the rest of the "evil," but she and Obama are

totally reconciled over their 2008 differences, and he has even expressed regret about some of his campaign's behavior toward her.

The counterclaims of racism and sexism have been put to rest.

[EdwardBernays]

29. Hiring

The owner of one of the largest lobbying firms as your campaign chairman... A lobbying firm that represents weapons manufacturers and Saudi Arabia and big pharma.

While at the same time taking hundreds of thousands in political contributions from the same lobbying firm.

Conflict of interest much?

[bread_and_roses]

30. Add cluster bombs

I don't care if it's sexist - I am a woman and a mother. HRC is a woman and a mother. And while I regard anyone who supports cluster bombs as depraved, I have an even deeper level of revulsion, contempt, and condemnation when that person is a woman and a mother.

[daleanime]

37. + 1

[polly7]

39. Exactly.

Anyone who's even bothered to listen to those opposing these horrors or done a simple internet search on them knows that children are the most harmed by them ....... for decades.

Impoverished, traumatized children already, who see them as little toys and end up either dead or with limbs blown off.

Any woman who claims to care for children would NOT vote in favour of allowing the continued use of these disgusting weapons while most of the rest of the world wants them banned.

[Herman4747]

41. Yes, cluster bombs and landmines I would put ahead...

...of some of the other things on the list

[awake]

45. The most evil of all

Here is the rest of the story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251413864

[daleanime]

36. Iraq war vote.

[olddots]

40. she is a very good actress

the oligarchy write the script .

[oasis]

44. Hill's pros far outweigh her cons. I suspect that's why the nation

will address her as "Madam President" before long.

[OhZone]

49. Exactly.

I like Bernie, but I can't wait until this Bernie fair tale is over, so we can concentrate on getting Hillary elected, and then help her make real progress.

[oasis]

58. Bernie's bringing the issue of economic inequality to the forefront, has

been a remarkable achievement. His vision will endure and no doubt, be embraced by future progressives who aspire to serve the public.

[OhZone]

83. Agreed, oasis. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

71. Your scales are broken then

[CharlotteVale]

47. K&R

[hughee99]

50. I think there's going to be a lot of selective amnesia

About what was said during the primary once the general election comes around... Just like in 2008.

[kath]

52. Who has jury results? (Can't believe this was alerted)

[SidDithers]

54. And she kicks puppies for distance and accuracy...nt

Sid

[polly7]

56. I've never read that.

But being pro-war in almost every situation knowing how much children suffer, supporting things like cluster bombs and landmines knowing what they do to children ....... a bit more than kicking puppies, wouldn't you say?

Because of the destabilization of the whole region because of the decimation of Iraq and Libya, arming 'rebels' in Syria, little children are washing up on beaches. The boats their parents tried to get them to safety with weren't really that great with distance and accuracy.

[Enthusiast]

55. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

[mckara]

64. That Implies She Has a Conscience

She hasn't demonstrated she has one.

[azureblue]

65. When you post attack diaries /ads

That is a cue that your campaign is weak and you have nothing better to run on.
Pathetic.
You want my vote? Then tell me about your candidate's strengths and advantages... IOW, why should for for him / her. For you morons that post these attack diaries, I do not vote against a candidate, I vote for one. As it should be.

[Orrex]

66. It'll be awfully quiet around here after she wins the primary

[LeFleur1]

67. I'm Worried

I'm not sure the Bernie Supporters who dig up dirt and misinterpret actions of other candidates can survive him not being the nominee. It's scary that they are so intent on spreading their interpretation of Hillary stories that spewing the word evil is the only thing they know to do to try to raise support for their candidate. Where is the itemized list of wonderful things Bernie has done? It's a sad day in the Democratic party, and in America. They never should have allowed Bernie to register as a Democrat after all these years. It's been a very dividing thing for the party. He should have run under the Independent title. That's what he is, that's how he should have run. Why did he feel the need to pretend after all these years? One thing he has done successfully is tear the party to shreds, at least on this forum.

[cheapdate]

68. Yes Folks! Evil! This is a COSMIC BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL!

[Sheepshank]

86. Hillary is evil, makes Bernie be blessed?

I guess the moniker Saint Bernie isn't so far off after all haa haaa haaaaaaa.

Must really annoy a few atheists I know.

[cheapdate]

87. Good vs. Evil

Pass. Not interested in playing this game.

[berni_mccoy]

70. What should make you sick is that someone who calls themselves

A Democrat would support conservative policy stances that Hillary has.

If the truth makes you sick, maybe you need to reevaluate why you support someone like that.

[Orrex]

72. What's your opinion of Barack Obama? Or John Kerry?

[icymist]

74. So you're going to vote based upon what anonymous posters are saying

on a bulletin board instead of listening to the candidate himself?



Oh, and welcome to the DU, BTW!

[treestar]

73. out of control

hatred of a Democrat - you are spinning everything in its most exaggerated worst possible light out of sheer hatred. I only know right wingers who hate Democrats this much. Your posts are never pro-Bernie. They are all about hatred of Hillary.

[Hekate]

94. Amazing, isn't it?

[merkins]

75. Dear Hillary,

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

[FreakinDJ]

77. Disgusting and indefensable

[dreamnightwind]

78. K & R

I was rec #99, who wants number 100?

[redstateblues]

79. More BSS hyperbole

It's like FOX news-they can't keep repeating the same shit forever so they have to make up new more extreme stuff so someone will click on it. So you are thinking this kind of crap will convert anyone? If anything you start to sound like Freepers and Ditto Heads

[thereismore]

80. You forgot her vote against the ban on cluster bombs. nt

[Doctor_J]

82. iwr, TPP, keystone, war in Libya,

The very embodiment of a DINO

[Ferd Berfel]

88. The first one is tough to grasp

I understand why the officers of some unions support Hillary - Power & Money, but How can Union rank-and-file support someone that has done so much to destroy THEIR way of life? Are they not paying attention?

[hifiguy]

89. Kick and rec.

She has ever been a faithful servant of the One Percent. Always.

[Hekate]

92. Muwahahaha. Eeeeevillll. (rubs hands) Also out of context and skewed a whole lot. Muwahahaha.

[AtomicKitten]

93. She's a real piece of work alright. k/r

[bvar22]

97. The above things are not "evil".

However, turning her back on the majority of Democrats, and helping Bush and the Republicans get their illegal, immoral, and unnecessary WAR started was. Thousands upon thousands of brown people were slaughtered with her help, and millions more displaced.

She was a primary instrument in the destruction of Libya, once the most advanced country in North Africa with many freedoms for women...own property, drive cars, carry their own money, walk freely about town without a male escort, wear blue jeans, attend Universities....but NOT anymore.
the Al Qaeda linked terrorists that Hillary helped in Libya have now imposed Sharia Law.

Hillary claims to be an advocate for women, but she hasn't helped any brown women in the Middle East. She has helped kill them, take their homes, bury their children, and bomb them back to the medieval times of Sharia Law.

Now THAT is what I call evil.

[Lorien]

98. Don't make the mistake of thinking that her supporters care

about the issues. It's all about a "Team win" and their stock in the worst corporations on earth that matter to them. They'll happily flush our futures for short term gains!

[berni_mccoy]

99. This isn't so much to convince them to care as it is

Keeping the record straight.

[HassleCat]

101. I am offended!

It's time for us evil people to stick up for ourselves. We have hopes and dreams, too, and they're just like those of honest people. No more discrimination!

[Arugula Latte]

102. It's easy when you don't have any core values other than personal opportunism.

[mylye2222]

103. I'd add:

Behind the radar, helping Bush stay in the WH in 2004, so that she could keep the nomination's seat hot for her in 2008.

[amborin]

105. she can't; and if she got the nomination, she would lose in the GE; Indies will not vote for her nt