2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary has been attacked for almost 25 years, and she is STILL STANDING TALL!!
Hillary Clinton has been trashed by right wing SMEARS for decades, and SHE IS STILL STANDING! That is one tough grandmother!
So many of these attacks have been CRAP. And she is STILL STANDING TALL! I admire this woman who has been through so much and put up with so much, and so much of it ridiculous and unfair. Right now they are spending millions trying to damage her in these primaries because they are SCARED of her. She is ready on day one. She is the most prepared on both sides. She is supremely qualified. She is tough and PROGRESSIVE. If and when we go into the general election season with Hillary as standard bearer, she and her team will RELENTLESSLY ATTACK the RePUKE nominee, and no one needs to worry about new surprises being found out about Hillary. She has been through it all, has been mega vetted, and she will have on steel armor as she POUNDS THE CRAP out of who is probably going to be The Trump. I can't wait.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Go, Hillary! Beat Trump!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)That's about to change, though.
The sunset approacheth for the 'Not Hillary' Party.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)People who can't reevaluate their positions when new data comes in, or fails to come in, have no business being President.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I do not buy it as I know she will change back to the right.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)keeping us in the dark is her forte, and that's why she can get things done, Ambiguous with no allegiance to tie her down .
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)calling Edward Snowden a traitor, all things she's " Reevaluated " only after the truth was exposed, NEVER ONCE by Her .
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He voted for a bill that he did not agree with all of the parts. He is now on board with fixing those parts he never agreed with.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He has the same position he has always had. For those that are low information and only listen to sound bites, they may see it differently.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)even if he doesn't sign most all the other TPP countries probably will sign, so they can trade with Asian-pacific countries and not have to use China workers.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)leftupnorth
(886 posts)There is a bridge for sale near here if anyone is interested.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)leftupnorth
(886 posts)It's like the 90s and 00s never happened. Lmao.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)leftupnorth
(886 posts)It's like the 90s AND 00s didn't happen...
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)she was hopeful. When the final version came out, she made the decision she couldn't support it.
Anyone who says she supports it now is ignorant or lying.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)being a traitor ? She has scratched her way to the top and not from being the voice of reason, which she always claims victory, but NEVER responsibility, anyone who can't see that is ignorant, lying or the blind faithful .
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)responsibility for her actions and claiming credit for the actions of others .
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)It is a comment on us not her. We accept corruption now as normal.
cali
(114,904 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)She's done so much evil to get where she is. You can't stand tall when you have baggage like she has.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)- Sitting on the board of Wal-Mart
- Promoting Welfare Reform during Bill's Presidency
- Racial campaign tactics alone in 2008 are enough evil: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251758204
- Accepting Speaking Fees from THE Financial Institutions that responsible for The Collapse
- Having Podesta be her campaign manager
- Having DAVID FUCKING BROCK run her SuperPAC!
That evil enough for ya?
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)This place is ridiculous.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It appears you don't think your candidate can run on the issues.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Looking for low information voters in DU, good luck with that.
cali
(114,904 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)all that matters is image.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's all we've been hearing since Bernie got in the Way of the coronation.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is something everyone should be concerned about in a democratic oligarchy where the people are privileged to elect their figureheads, who then govern for the rich by ruling over everyone else. Sanders is the only candidate not on his knees before the oligarchs. Trump is one.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's incorruptible.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)are set in there ways for a reason. It's way too late to corrupt old people who have integrity. It's also pretty late in the game to redeem corrupt ones.
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RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Used to think she would make a good VEEP for Bernie. Not any more.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The current right wing attacks with respect to her emails are going to give her the win in Iowa.
cali
(114,904 posts)It ain't. And it's pathetic that it's even close. No one has ever had as many advantages as hill.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)She was born in the middle class. Dad was a small business owner. She is BRILLIANT and EARNED her way up. She is PROGRESSIVE and STRONG.
cali
(114,904 posts)And on issue after issue, she's led, not followed. Most disturbing, is the overwhelming evidence that she and Bill are corrupt.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)And having a server in one's house instead of a secure data center shows a lack of attention to details, or worse, thinking they have a the answers without investigating.
While Hillary is better that any GOP candidate, she is hardly a good candidate, herself. She continues to demonstrate this.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Decades of bullshit right wing attack. We are to the point they don't hurt her. They bring out energy in many of us. Pathetic? Really speaks well to the other candidates considering with one day left she is still the damn near unchallenged front runner.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One of the more polite ones I've seen.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One of the most polite ones I have seen.
Not sure how that statement brought you to your question. Anyway, read my previous posts in this thread. My answer to that will be found there.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I'm not sure why you are spending energy trying to defend that erroneous statement.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)More often than not I don't spend any time defending common sense. If that is the starting point, I don't have the time nor would I find it enjoyable.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)The entire dem establishment, the corporate backing, the MSM which has backed her for years despite the ludicrous hillarian accusation that the MSM is unfair to her. No candidate outside a sitting president has ever had such advantages
Nyan
(1,192 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)The latest email revelation is like adding gasoline to the dishonesty fire. She's given them so much material to use against her I don't see how she wins. She's not the most likable candidate in the world and even if voters think she might be the most qualified, they will be looking for a reason not to vote for her.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)And we actually have a way to prevent it from happening, yes we do!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Right wing lies. KNR
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Where there's smoke, there's fire.
The Clintons have brought most of this crap on themselves. If they didn't do stupid things, they wouldn't get 1/2 the criticism they get.
The email scandal is just an example. I don't know of many CEO's who would allow one of their executive staff to put together a private server, and use it for company business. I'm pretty sure that that executive would have been fired as soon as it came out. She acted like she wasn't part of the team, which is mind boggling to me. So, she did it anyway, an email system which was a little more fortified than a home computer system. This computer system should have been like Fort Knox, if it was to be used for foreign policy and top secret emails.
Did she have to put together this email system? No. This was a bad (stupid) decision, which she is rightly criticized for. Now, it is taking valuable time and money to go through this system to see if it got hacked or if any thing else is amiss. And, to top it off, she didn't comply to the investigation right away, but stalled and deleted emails and made it more difficult for an audit. Even if she did nothing wrong (well, she did do something stupid), she had made it look worse than it may actually be, and it is HER FAULT. You can't blame this on any one else, she did something that she should have known was dumb and then tried to cover it up and has now cost us taxpayers millions of dollars and maybe millions more still to come and has taken agents off of assignments that could be used for national security.
This is only ONE of the bad decisions that Hillary and/or Bill have made since they have been in the public sector. Some attack may not have been warranted, but some have been. This is not something that they should be proud of.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)but the FBI and State don't "throw stuff against a wall". Are you saying there is a conspiracy by the forementioned?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)More like the Clintons drag the nation down into the gutter where they live. Warmongering, lying, cheating, pandering, protecting the worst criminals in the USA, personally enriching themselves, and NEVER taking responsibility for the shit they have unleashed on We the People is what they are about.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Thank You!!!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)He's been hit with scandal after scandal and is still standing. Doesn't mean he's not as corrupt as the day is long.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Put the bottle down and step away from the computer, the amount of crap that is coming from you is ridiculous.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)she will throw to some scraps
but she stands with the one percent - and that is who will win
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She sold us out a long time ago.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)is not crap. It's reality. Progressive on Wall St. is she?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)As republicans have backing of billions from Corps and thousands of republican political 'charities'
jalan48
(13,869 posts)That used to be one of the major differences between the parties. I find it sad that so many Hillary supporters have adopted the same Republican-like attitude about Hillary and her Wall St. ties.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The truth is they have made millions from Wall Street and are bought.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)slave labor is best but in America only prisoners (or cheap foreign workers) are the last 'legal' slaves.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)in nations she pushed for to decimate militarily, anyway. They're not standing so tall.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)She is standing tall and will continue to do so.
She will be a wonderful president.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)and not just survive but thrive. That performance during the Benghazi interrogations was probably her finest hour.. or rather hours!
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)She is politically tough, but not tough enough to be more consistent over the years.
navarth
(5,927 posts)It's the FACTS from the LEFT that are her problem. It is tragic indeed.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)It has always been my opinion that the attacks against Mrs. Clinton in 2008 were so fierce, that's what helped make Obama that primary victor. Republicans didn't think Obama would win as President, they under estimated his strength too.
Mrs. Clinton is much stronger, more seasoned then she was in 2007-2008. I like Senator Sanders a lot! but I doubt republicans can pound down Mrs. Clinton enough for Sanders to win the primary.
But it will be close primary and I wish Sanders and Clinton would team-up and make the general election a D landslide.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Bernie should have known better that to use the GOP style attacks on her. Only Question remaining now is how big a bounce HRC will get out of Iowa win going to NH!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:14 PM
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230. Hillary will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to win. STINKING ROTTEN !!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thanks for finding that gem!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)There are a couple of those '08 Hillary haters that totally think she's the bee's knees now. It's funny, I can't take their fandom seriously now.
cali
(114,904 posts)demmiblue
(36,855 posts)Response to Original message
13. See how she talks about how the story so "HURT" her inside? She PLAYS to the audience.
This is why she lies and distorts so much. She works very hard to PLAY to the particular audience she is with. (If it's New Yorkers, she is a "lifelong Yankee fan." If it's a group of women, she turns into the "loving mother whose own daughter was in danger on 9/11." If it's the end of a debate, she "is honored to be with Barack Obama." If it's in Ohio, then "shame on you Barack Obama." etc. etc.) She wants so much to appear "human" because so many people feel she is so cold. You just don't know which Hillary you are going to get on any given day or at any given moment. I wonder if she suffers from multiple personality syndrome
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7. She is a beatiful women--and strong.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:06 PM
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11. And takes more lobbyist money than the R's. Proud of that?
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10. Playing the gender card. Very sad.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)shocking.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)Really? I don't think so. I will agree that Clinton has taken a lot of shit from the GOP for years, but progressive is a stretch.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)All hail the Queen!
She has been attacked, but unlike Marie Antoinette, she has not been prosecuted. Therefore she MUST be coronated!
She shall be Queen of the US, as it is now her time!
She has been the Chosen One by the Almighty.
All hail the Queen!
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)HRC and her pals and Wall Street and the chattering class and, and, and...
ALL expected a coronation. Many expected Warren would run and when she backed off, and the rest of the pols agreed to the "its her turn" nonsense Sanders was pressed into the fray.
And not to put him down but NOBODY thought a campaign based on real Democratic Party principles would resonate with the public.
Now HRC and her cronies are in the fight of their lives against an old Jew from Brooklyn in his seventies. They have all the advantages and privileges of supporting a candidate who is equally comfortable in the board rooms of Wall Street and the Board Room of Walmarts.
All Sanders has is a history of pro-people votes and, oh yeah, a whole bunch of people.
Iowa will be a starting line. The game will be afoot.
No one believes for a second that this is how HRC and her cronies expected things to go.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and better off financially than at any other time in her life... Most of the rest of us, though, have been beaten down by the relentless onslaught of Republican policies while weak (read: complicit) Democrats did little or nothing to protect our interests.
Finally we have the choice of someone who will fight for US, Bernie Sanders. He has shown he is not afraid to confront the big money boys (and yes, it is still mostly boys) head-on.
Go, Bernie!
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Have you ever stood next to her? I have.
She is short. Shorter than I expected.
Broward
(1,976 posts)RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:14 PM
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230. Hillary will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to win. STINKING ROTTEN !!
[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251840260#post9|
bowens43
(16,064 posts)She is easily the most hated politician in the country
chervilant
(8,267 posts)argue that point. We've still got CHENEY and his disgusting daughter (you know who I mean), and the BFEE. Surely those politicians have earned the coveted "most hated politician(s) in the country"?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)But will vote first for Bernie.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Bernie may be a bit hunched over, but I don't vote based on posture -- and posturing is all Hillary does.
pandr32
(11,586 posts)And then faced sexism, too. One thing most people who buy into the anti-Hillary rhetoric fail to understand--the huge amount of money and energy spent attacking her to try to keep her out-of-power (by the Big Business interests who fund Republicans) is not because "she has ties to Wall-Street", or "is part of the establishment"--if that were the case they wouldn't be spending millions and millions to stop her. They are scared of her for good reason.
cali
(114,904 posts)money interests oppose her is laughable. More big money has been paid/donated to her than any repub
Loudestlib
(980 posts)This one?
"I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system,... I don't even think it's a close call politically... if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be." H R Clinton 1994
Or this one?
Hillary in 2016: "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea [single-payer] that will never, ever come to pass."
LS_Editor
(893 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)... and standing tall on the backs of the 99%. The heels about to dig into the spine is a bit tough to take.
How about we all stand up and shake off the triangulated positions and crumbs we will be given permission to get --- and actually get with a candidate what walks with us and for us? Let's get real progress and not "poetry and prose" crap.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Nor would I be in any, shape or form one bit deterred by those who Do Not Pay me. It's her career. Why should she not stand tall, yeah, even taller.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The Clinton juggernaut will roll right over Trump (or whomever) and we will gain the presidency. And nothing else.
Peregrine Took
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Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Flying Phoenix
(114 posts)Best candidate of the three, no.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Vote for The Undertaker!