Bernie's Meme Scream: "YOU CAN HAVE THE MOON !"

[RBInMaine]

I love Bernie, and I like his vision. But he is certainly offering things that would be very, very hard to pass even with Democratic congressional majorities, anytime soon. This is just the reality. Yes, we need big goals, but goals more immediately achievable.

While his health plan would eliminate private premiums, all you are going to hear from the other side is "taxes taxes taxes..." When asked why it died in Vermont, he had no answer.

Free tuition? Even for the rich? What about that?

I know he has plans to pay for it all, but these are still massive leaps.

Hillary is PROGRESSIVE and has big plans too. Debt free college, infrastructure investment, employee profit sharing, higher minimum wage, full pay equity, making the rich pay a fairer share of taxes by closing all the loopholes, fixing and expanding the ACA, ... It's good. It's progressive. It shares most of Bernie's GOALS and VALUES but just with different ways to get there.

Also, where is Bernie's plan for small business development? I hear about government programs but nothing about small private business. Why not? If Bernie got the nomination, we would hear ENDLESS ads about "socialism taxes socialism taxes socialism taxes...MASSIVE EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT MASSIVE EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT.......!!!!!" night and day and day and night. I think it would be devastating.

Finally, Bernie was never a Democratic before this cycle. If he loses the nomination, will be REMAIN a Democrat? Or is he an opportunist? I would like some Bernie supporters to politely address my questions. THANKS

[merrily]

1. Another, "I love Bernie but" post.

Bernie Butter gets spread all around, but it smells very different from support for Bernie. Very different.

Why should anyone answer your questions when they are not really question?

Please don't be so disingenuous.

BTW, do you know what "meme" actually means? When did Bernie say what you claim is his meme once, let alone repeatedly?

[RBInMaine]

2. Are you saying it isn't possible to like someone but also someone else too?

What you are saying, with all respect, is ridiculous. If you asked most Hillary supporters they would say they like Bernie, A LOT. They like his vision. They like his personality. They like his charisma and authenticity. But I also like Hillary, and I just feel she's more grounded, more realistic, and definitely more qualified for all aspects of the job. What's wrong with that?

[merrily]

10. I didn't say what you claim I said. My post speaks for itself.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. "meme scream", "If he loses the nomination, will be REMAIN a Democrat? Or is he an opportunist?"

Those are not compatible with your claim that you like him and his vision. They are attacks on him. And you put one in the title, and followed it with capitals, as if he had actually 'screamed' something.

[cali]

3. False. He has made it crystal clear that nothing happens until

we reform our corporately controlled political system

[RBInMaine]

4. Great. I want that too. We all do. When is that going to happen? And how long can we wait?

[elias49]

6. You'll NEVER get those things from Clinton...

isn't that too long to wait? Come on. Think!

[Ed Suspicious]

29. We don't wait, we continue on now by electing uncorrupted leadership to focus our efforts.

[femmedem]

37. By electing Sanders we'd give other politicians the courage to run on progressive principles

It would no longer be career death for politicians to fight for single payer health care, for example. It gives us our best shot of a more liberal Congress, and would keep progressives more engaged in the political process.

[RBInMaine]

5. What about free college for the rich and where is his small business plan?

[Lucky Luciano]

8. The rich will continue to go to private colleges - just like they go to private high schools. nt

[merrily]

11. The only memes on this thread so far are the Hillary campaign memes that you are repeating.

[femmedem]

16. Nobody questions free education for the rich K-12.

Or free police protection. Or free fire protection.

Sanders' position is that we should extend free, publicly funded education beyond high school. Why exempt the rich, especially when their taxes will be funding it? In fact, exempting them while taxing them to fund it for everyone else would drive a deeper class-based wedge and make it less likely to pass.

Edited to add: Thanks for a thoughtful, not-insulting OP. This is the way to advocate for one's candidate, regardless of who we support.

[redwitch]

26. The rich will be paying their fair share of taxes.

So yeah, let their kids have free college to. Although I think they will continue to go to elite, expensive private schools. Bernie is the most likely of the two to support and promote small business. I just fid it very hard to believe that someone who is beholden to giant corporations and Wall Street would do as much for small businesses.

[politicaljunkie41910]

25. And the SCOTUS made sure that will not likely happen in my lifetime

and based on the odds, Bernie's likely to go meet his maker before I do, so does that mean that Bernie is proposing something, and getting his base all riled up knowing that it is not realistic. And as long as he's proposing all the free stuff and increased taxes on businesses and everyone else, it's not going to help Dems take back the House anytime soon. Gerrymandering by the GOP, who have taken control of the majority of all local state offices has ensured that. The earliest we could take back the House would be 2022, the first election after the next Census, when the districts should get redrawn. Anything before that is just a pipe dream.

[bowens43]

7. he hasn't 'offered' anything. He has set goals , hill on the other hand has said she will do nothing

the choice is clear, hillary who promises nothing will change and that she won't even try to improve the situation, it's har , so fuck it.

Or bernie who has ALWAYS worked for the FOR the American people

[Live and Learn]

9. If Hillary would have been President in 1969 we would have never gone to the moon. nt

[vercetti2021]

12. LOL

She's a progressive? Okay, I want what you're smoking. I'll go with the progressive and not the corporate Dem.

[merrily]

13. She has said herself that she is a "moderate," aka a center right Democrat.

[vercetti2021]

15. Not fooling me

[NurseJackie]

14. Great post. Great questions ...

... but I doubt you'll get any thoughtful answers. It will be used as just another excuse to attack and insult.

[femmedem]

17. I find this post attacking and insulting. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

30. This is poison.

[beam me up scottie]

19. ***yawn*** Another red baiting op from you. *trash thread*

[fredamae]

20. I hear a little something

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different.
Bernie isn't offering to GIVE us the moon....he's saying we'll (as in we, the People) have a Real, tangible Opportunity to Work for what WE want to see happen. Whether it's on the moon or earth..we'll have a voice.....If we want it.
You know-being allowed Actual opportunity to debate the issues, compromise...instead of the way it works now-just between lawmakers and Big Money "everything" Only, but rather...you, me, all of them and congress...along with an equal representation from the wealthy/corporate/wall street moneyed interests.

[Ed Suspicious]

31. this. we keep repeating it. they keep ignoring it.

[fredamae]

34. And imo-this affirms

my/our/the complaints from the base that "they" Refuse to listen

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Sweet jumpin jesus.

decaf, that's my answer.

[Broward]

22. Just odd to see such enthusiasm for a warmongering corporatist.

[JudyM]

23. Does party label matter as much as the content of proposals and beliefs?

I have no to the death allegiance to party as much as to principle. If party is defined by DWS types and pay to play I feel alienated. The way The Party operates now is shameful. As it represents itself is an erosion of Democratic ideals.

[ljm2002]

24. Actually it's "You can have what ALL OTHER industrialized nations have!" n/t

[Vinca]

27. Hillary is many things, but progressive isn't one of them.

[Nanjeanne]

28. Well that depends on what day of the week it is

Sept 10:

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/

October 13:

"I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive that likes to get things done," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-progressive_us_561dafabe4b050c6c4a35c32

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[SidDithers]

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[In_The_Wind]

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Meme scream? Which didn't actually happened as portrayed. Just Republican crap posted here. This is a Democratic board, or supposed to be.

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[NurseJackie]

36. Thanks!