Des Moines Register Poll: High income voters prefer Hillary Clinton

[JonLeibowitz]

Among high-income voters in last Iowa D caucus poll from @DMRegister:
@HillaryClinton 57
@BernieSanders 28

https://twitter.com/NicholsUprising/status/693587408504254464

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No surprise to me.

[cantbeserious]

1. Imagine That - 1% Voters - Prefer The - 1% Candidate

eom

[redstateblues]

13. two people making $25K each makes the 1%?

Wow- 1% aint what it used to be

[jfern]

18. The threshold is $100k, and that's a fair amount in a low cost of living state like Iowa

[pnwmom]

22. It's not 1%. n/t

[jfern]

23. So?

[pnwmom]

25. (self delete)

[pnwmom]

29. And the even odder thing is I can't find the result in the poll anywhere.

Can you?



http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/r1OvZ1NeDjnY

[JonLeibowitz]

35. It is not in the poll pdf. There is secret sauce that DMR is not releasing, but is in news analysis

[pnwmom]

38. Does the analysis say anything about age and education levels?

[JonLeibowitz]

39. Yes.

Clinton captures 65 percent of caucusgoers age 65 and older, while Sanders gets only 27 percent.

Among those under 35, 63 percent give the Vermont U.S. senator their support, and just 27 percent back Clinton.

No information about education levels. At this point I'm not sure there will be any further release of the raw data. Shame.

[restorefreedom]

15. shocking, i tell ya, who could have guessed? nt

[reformist2]

57. This reads like a commercial: The Super-Rich and Beautiful People support Hillary...shouldn't YOU???

[awake]

2. Surprise surprise surprise

[malokvale77]

3. No surprise here either. nt

[tokenlib]

4. Surprise!! N/t

[frylock]

5. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Lol! Love the Fight Club reference!

[marlakay]

6. Same when I canvassed in Nevada

In the nicer neighborhoods wirh new homes more for Hillary.

[tammywammy]

7. What's considered a high income?

[JonLeibowitz]

9. Good question. I am not sure, and it isn't in the limited PDF release by DMR.

It appears there are a great many crosstabs that have not yet been released by Selzer.

The usual breakdowns are $50k or $100k. I do not know which one was chosen, but suspect the latter.

[jfern]

19. It's $100k

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/30/closer-look-democrats-iowa-poll-results/79571562/

[JonLeibowitz]

30. Thanks. I really wish they'd release the full data tables. This is frustrating. n/t

[JI7]

12. i think 50k , but i would like to see a breakdown of all numbers

[jfern]

20. It's 100k

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/30/closer-look-democrats-iowa-poll-results/79571562/

[Tanuki]

49. Thanks for the link. Plenty of good news there

for Hillary supporters.

"HILLARY CLINTON

Horse race rank: No. 1
Support: 45 percent, up from 42 percent

It’s time for a woman to be president, 80 percent of likely caucusgoers say — and 42 percent feel strongly about it.

The former U.S. secretary of state faces a deep deficit with younger voters, but makes up for it with older voters, who make up a bigger portion of the Democratic electorate.

Clinton captures 65 percent of caucusgoers age 65 and older, while Sanders gets only 27 percent.
.......

Her favorability rating is 81 percent, right behind Sanders at 82 percent. Eighty-six percent have positive feelings about former President Bill Clinton, and 90 percent about President Barack Obama.

Asked if they’d be enthusiastic if she becomes the nominee, 73 percent said yes –— and 53 percent are “very” enthusiastic.

[SheilaT]

8. Hmmm. I guess this confirms

that I'm a low income voter. Darn. I'd been hoping I was rich.

[Live and Learn]

10. Should say selfish, high income voters in my opinion.

[hack89]

42. Because only selfish people support Hillary?

Really?

[Live and Learn]

44. Pretty much. nt

[hack89]

51. No shades of grey in your world I see.

Cartoons are not reality. Cartoonish views of reality certainly enable your obvious sense of moral superiority by they are still cartoons.

Super Tuesday can't come soon enough. Time to stop fighting and work for a common ggoal.

[Odin2005]

59. Hillarians = "I've got mine, FUCK YOU!!!"

[hack89]

60. People like you will make Super Tuesday that much more enjoyable. nt

[kcjohn1]

11. There is myth

High income voters are liberal. Only liberal in social issues. They vote with their pocket books.

The good news is there just aren't that many of them. The bad news is that they almost ALWAYS vote while the poorer you are the less likely are you to vote. Bernie doesn't have to convince these people. He just needs to convince the poor to come to the polls, and it will be game over.

[hack89]

43. Does that explain HRC's overwhelming support from POC?

They are all wealthy? Got it.

[Snarkoleptic]

14. The corporatocracy says...

[senz]

16. Latest Hillary ad.

[azurnoir]

17. gee ya think?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. Wasn't there something like this with RMoney being the darling?

[LAGC]

24. In other news: water is wet. (n/t)

[pnwmom]

26. Would you please look at the poll itself and tell me where to find

that result? I'm also interested in age and education, because I think the results will be related.

The poll is at the link below:

Can you tell me what page it's on?

I suspect that this result is related to age and educational level, but I can't find data about this in the Des Moines/Bloomberg poll.

http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/r1OvZ1NeDjnY

[JonLeibowitz]

28. I share your frustration. It appears Selzer/DMR didn't release all the crosstabs

I was just crafting a reply to jfern upthread when i saw your message.

The mention is in DMR's article here: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/30/closer-look-democrats-iowa-poll-results/79571562/

Unfortunately their 17-page release doesn't include most of the crosstabs of interest. So I have nothing to offer you other than the tweet and the DMR article. I really do not understand why they did not release the full information.

edit: I am actually most interested in the generational-sex split amongst clinton/sanders supporters. An interesting case study can be made for the different waves of feminism there, perhaps. But I need the data, dammit!

[pnwmom]

31. I can't read that because it's behind a paywall, and the Bloomberg article

says nothing about this.

But since income rises with age, and Hillary has more older supporters, this wouldn't surprise me.

[JonLeibowitz]

34. You can read it by going into "incognito" mode or by clearing your browser cookies.

Age may play a role. I suspect it may also have something to do with Bernie's proposals benefiting the middle class more than Hillary's. Healthcare is unfortunately a major expense relative to income for many Americans.

[fierywoman]

27. and the percentages for the 99%

What are the percentages for the low income voters, students, people who have just turned 18, Hispanics, Blacks, and most of all: people who only have cell phones and not land lines?

[BlueMTexpat]

32. UTB for the Des Moines Register! eom

[JonLeibowitz]

37. Huh? Your comment is completely devoid of content and shows a lack of real thought on the issues

put forth in this OP.

[SoapBox]

33. Ya know...those middle class folks making $250,000!

Well, she said it!

[passiveporcupine]

36. Here is a link to the article and poll info

Far more high-income voters prefer Clinton: 57 percent of those with an income of $100,000 or more pick her; 28 percent choose Sanders.

And Clinton wins with 60 percent of caucusgoers who think the system works reasonably well for those who work hard to get ahead, although two-thirds of the Democratic electorate think the system is rigged.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/30/closer-look-democrats-iowa-poll-results/79571562/

Among voters who think the system is rigged against all but the very rich and powerful, Sanders wins with 50 percent, compared with Clinton’s 39 percent.

Fifty-one percent say Sanders is the candidate who cares most about people like them.

They do say that the caucus is made up of mostly older folks and they side with Clinton. I hope Team Bernie is getting out the youth vote this time around.

[bkkyosemite]

40. I have no words....yes I do ....of course they do.

[Betty Karlson]

41. What surprises me is that even among high incomes, 43 % have reservations about Clinton... eom

[TeddyR]

45. Yes

Hillary's leading in the polls, which means she's probably leading among most demographics. Far as I know the only one's where Bernie leads is with the young'uns, who may or may not vote.

Why does it even matter if Hillary leads among higher income folks?

[beam me up scottie]

47. That loud POP you just heard...

[DrDan]

48. I am struggling to find any significance to this claim

could it be that the more educated voters prefer Hillary - and they tend to have a higher income?

or "older" voters - like 40's and higher

[Renew Deal]

50. So do low income voters

[99Forever]

52. Perhaps that should read "I've got mine...

... fuck the rest of you" voters.

Just sayin'.

[LexVegas]

53. Minorities prefer HRC by a wide margin. No surprise to anyone. nt

[Karma13612]

54. It's quite true that the term "high income" is very subjective

I don't crack $50 K, and am the only breadwinner in a two person family.

I sweat everything.

Bernie speaks directly to me.

But you have people making $100K who are trying to keep a family of 3 or 4 afloat. That must be equally daunting.


I believe it is not only subjective, but clearly goes to the mindset of people.
I can think beyond my own circumstances.

If I was rolling in dough, I would still want Bernie because this country is hurting.
Really hurting.

And something needs to be done.

And I am sorry to say but HRC is not talking to the people hurting. She is talking in terms of throwing us bones instead of proposing ways for us to get actual food (and healthcare and living wages, etc).

I know this because she consciously misleads on Bernie's proposals. Come on Hillary, Bernie is not going to throw out the ACA before his Medicare for all is passed. Give me a flippin' break. That is just fear mongering, plain and simple, so stop it.

Sorry, just my 2 cents.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. ikr... now there's a shocker! (not)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[ladjf]

56. Hmm. I wonder why? nt

[tk2kewl]

58. wow