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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:27 AM Jan 2016

The NRA says Hillary and Martin are "enemies of freedom." But not Bernie.

The NRA prefers his gun positions.

http://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2015/6/30/five-biggest-enemies-of-freedom/

Five Biggest Enemies of Freedom

1. Barack Obama

While the President has just a year-and-a-half left to his presidency there is plenty of damage the President can still inflict on gun owners despite the stalemate with a pro-gun Congress. He tried to ban common rifle ammo with the stroke of a pen. He’s fighting to ban 4.2 million seniors on social security from owning guns. And he’s promised to fight for gun control during his last year in office

2. Hillary Clinton

The anti-gun media has all but declared that Hillary Clinton will win the White House in 2016. And if she does, gun owners watch out. Hillary Clinton promised to crack down on gun owners and pass tough new gun laws. Check out what she said about taking on the NRA: “We cannot let a minority of people, and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people, hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.”

3. Martin O’Malley

Should Clinton’s campaign crash, the candidate in second place is even worse: gun-grabber-in-chief, former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley. O’Malley called for a ban on assault weapons and other gun control measures in the aftermath of the mass shooting in Charleston, South Carolina. As governor, O’Malley ushered in sweeping anti-gun legislation that bans 45 specific types of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms and requires future purchasers of handguns in Maryland to obtain a license to do so.

4.Michael Bloomberg

5. Charles Schumer




And they're also very upset about Hillary's idea that Barack Obama would make a fine Supreme Court Justice -- that's reason enough, they say, to vote for someone else.
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160129/chief-justice-barack-obama

Here’s perhaps the most compelling argument we’ve heard against Hillary Clinton’s bid for the White House.

Continuing her streak of adopting terrible (and perhaps planted) suggestions raised at campaign stops, Clinton on Tuesday called the appointment of Barack Obama to the U.S. Supreme Court “a great idea,” according to an article in the Washington Examiner. . .
.

As a Supreme Court justice, he would have the power he has always craved as president to “fundamentally transform” America by issuing proclamations about the meaning and scope of the Constitution, all without pesky voters or members of Congress interfering with his plans.

Hillary Clinton has already stated that she believes the Supreme Court was “wrong” to declare that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. There is little doubt that Obama would pass Clinton’s Second Amendment litmus test if she is elected and has the chance to appoint individuals to the Supreme Court.

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The NRA says Hillary and Martin are "enemies of freedom." But not Bernie. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2016 OP
Well they could be right! ypsfonos Jan 2016 #1
snap BainsBane Jan 2016 #2
Maybe you should take a read it again. If states that in Dec of 2015, O'Malley is the 2nd place Dem. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #7
I've read Bernie's voting record on guns BainsBane Jan 2016 #10
Thank you for not addressing my post. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #11
HRC and MOM are their top 2 most hated candidates for President. pnwmom Jan 2016 #17
I think they're confused! elleng Jan 2016 #3
OMG! This is absolutely hilarious. It is from Dec. 2015 and they characterize O'Malley in 2nd place. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #4
They didn't bother with Bernie because they would prefer him to the others. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #5
Explain like I am 7 years old, why did they characterize O'Malley as the candidate in 2nd place? Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #8
Because they goofed. pnwmom Jan 2016 #12
Indeed. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #14
Cause who cares?!?! not the point, Sanders to NRA = good... everyone else bad... and thats horrible uponit7771 Jan 2016 #36
Really. Then why does he have a lifetime D- rating. And explain to me like I am 7 years old Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #42
He's gone as high as C and that's ... again... horrible... could care less about their "lifetime"... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #44
Howard Dean had an A rating at one point and a lifetime B. Bernie has a lifetime D- Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #47
Right now I would not have supported either one of them and Sanders is unrepentant unlike HRC for uponit7771 Jan 2016 #49
Sanders is sponsoring legislation that would overturn the gun industry immunity. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #51
NRA helped Bernie win his first Congressional race Sheepshank Jan 2016 #71
Link to proof of your claim that "Sanders to NRA = good"? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #59
Has Bernie ever called NRA "establishment"? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #6
Good question, Sheepshank! Is the NRA #soestablishment like HRC & PP? Cha Jan 2016 #18
And Hillary is a compassionate conservative. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #28
Starting to look like it, he runs his own way uponit7771 Jan 2016 #37
I consider her an enemy of freedom but not for the reasons the NRA uses. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #9
The NRA supports the gun industry -- and Bernie appears to have a cozy relationship pnwmom Jan 2016 #13
Some people seem to have a cozy relationship with bullshit. frylock Jan 2016 #15
It wasn't "explained" to me. There was an opinion offered. I, OTOH, think the writer pnwmom Jan 2016 #19
Well hey, best of luck in your endeavour.. frylock Jan 2016 #27
Bernie Sanders gun nut sympathizer does and that's bad enough uponit7771 Jan 2016 #38
I didn't say he was a gun nut. I said that they hate Obama, Hillary, Martin, pnwmom Jan 2016 #39
"Some people seem to have a cozy relationship with bullshit." Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #29
Define "cozy" Lordquinton Jan 2016 #53
NRA had financial support in an earlier Congressional race for Bernie Sheepshank Jan 2016 #69
D - nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #16
He's been as high as a C, depending on the year. They issue a new rating pnwmom Jan 2016 #21
and hillary supported doma restorefreedom Jan 2016 #23
He isn't on their enemies list as of December 2015. She and Martin and Bloomberg are. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #24
frankly, i am more concerned about iran restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
At least she's not saying we should send Iranian soldiers as part of pnwmom Jan 2016 #43
no, she will start to advocate american troops restorefreedom Jan 2016 #45
She has stated very firmly that she will NOT send American ground forces. pnwmom Jan 2016 #48
it would seem to me that bernie was smart enough to make the right decision restorefreedom Jan 2016 #62
Hillary made the decision to support the UN resolution, as did John Kerry and pnwmom Jan 2016 #63
history has shown they were all wrong restorefreedom Jan 2016 #64
It is true that they erred. But Sen. Ted Kennedy said the only reason he didn't pnwmom Jan 2016 #65
bush, dick and powell lied, but many did not believe them. hillary did. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #68
This is a good point, high as C = fuckin horrible uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32
I'm not a second amendment champion, but even I find your point to be idiotic. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #35
Idiotic = voting to give a bunch of bastard corporations undue immunity from anything... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #40
Shame on her, Annie Oakley. I'd also like to see her in her duck blind with her six shooter. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #33
Hillary get a C rating any year from the NRA? no?!!? well there it is then uponit7771 Jan 2016 #34
The weathervane in 2008: Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #57
Howard Dean received an A rating. Lifetime? B. Sanders started off with an F and Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #46
Another Vermont politician. He never became President of the U.S. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #50
Yep, he got a lot of Fs too: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #56
excellent research....thanks bmus! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #61
He should be at F.....and has been as high as C. NRA backed Bernie 1990 Sheepshank Jan 2016 #70
#ONE enemy President Barack Obama.. Hillary and Martin are in Good Company.. Cha Jan 2016 #20
FreeDUMB. onehandle Jan 2016 #22
The NRA are the Scum that Scum consider Scum... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #26
unless its Sanders gun grade from the NRA that Sanders camp has been touting for 9 months?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #31
It was two votes, the Bradey Bill, and Gun Corporation immunity that mattered to me. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #41
WOW!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #30
Wow indeed. And have you seen their latest anti-Hillary ad? Number23 Jan 2016 #52
Hmm. davidthegnome Jan 2016 #54
Good question! I wouldn't expect an answer. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jan 2016 #55
If Academi (Blackwater) rated candidates Bernie would have an F and Hillary would have an A+. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #60
The NRA is obviously picking their favorite candidate. Vinca Jan 2016 #66
You are funny. pnwmom Jan 2016 #67
Well, that's certainly worth noting. Very interesting. Revealing. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #72
Sanders has a lot of gun deaths to answer for. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #73

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
7. Maybe you should take a read it again. If states that in Dec of 2015, O'Malley is the 2nd place Dem.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie is not even on their radar.

And, in Dec. of 2015, in their stupid head minds they were rating the top two Dems.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
10. I've read Bernie's voting record on guns
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jan 2016

That tells me what I need to know on the subject. I've also been involved in gun control debates long enough to be very familiar with the code phrases used.

I'll be voting against granting Death Inc a privileged place above all other multi-billion dollar corporate industries. I'll be voting against policies that result in 33k deaths a year, especially in urban communities like mine.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. HRC and MOM are their top 2 most hated candidates for President.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

Bloomberg's in the top 3, but Bernie's not on the list.

He's not one of their enemies. Neither are any of the Repubs.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
4. OMG! This is absolutely hilarious. It is from Dec. 2015 and they characterize O'Malley in 2nd place.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jan 2016

That, my friend, is why the didn't bother with Bernie.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. Really. Then why does he have a lifetime D- rating. And explain to me like I am 7 years old
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:07 AM
Jan 2016

why a D- is good.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
44. He's gone as high as C and that's ... again... horrible... could care less about their "lifetime"...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

... vote I'm caring about his rating when he's voting against the Brady bill and giving the gun corps undo immunity on anything.

wow...

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
49. Right now I would not have supported either one of them and Sanders is unrepentant unlike HRC for
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jan 2016

... her IWR vote, no one is perfect... even Sanders.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. Sanders is sponsoring legislation that would overturn the gun industry immunity.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:27 AM
Jan 2016

That is not only a big ol' mea culpa by taking action to do something about it.

Hillary can apologize to the end of her days but that does not bring back the lives of a half a million human beings and counting. It does not rebuild their hospitals, and water systems, and their power grid. It does not restore their families and communities. It does not restore health and home to MILLIONS of Iraqis who have been displaced.

Hillary hasn't even come close to atone for massive death and destruction; illness and grief inflicted on millions.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
71. NRA helped Bernie win his first Congressional race
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

He had ratings as high as C. He should be at at F.

Bernie has yet to call his Corporate sponsor/surrogate "establishment" he, has no standing on this matter and tends to change his mind with regard to immunity based on simple politics and pandering. He is just a regular old politician who has never done anything outside of politics. Not, no long term job, no career...he's laid sideways in the public trough his entire adult life.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
6. Has Bernie ever called NRA "establishment"?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jan 2016

It appears that PP and several other traditionally progressive groups were given the moniker...but NRA? It's all upside down and back to front with Bernie.

The reality is that he truly is an Independent and not a Democrat. He has his own values which sometimes aligns with Dems and sometimes aligns with Reps.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
9. I consider her an enemy of freedom but not for the reasons the NRA uses.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jan 2016

Starting with her cozy relationship with Wall St. and going from there.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. The NRA supports the gun industry -- and Bernie appears to have a cozy relationship
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016

with that group of corporatists.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
15. Some people seem to have a cozy relationship with bullshit.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jan 2016

It was explained to you why they didn't include Sanders. They have O'Malley polling in second place for fuck's sake, but you're prepared to go to the mat with this bullshit talking point. This is just fucking pathetic.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. It wasn't "explained" to me. There was an opinion offered. I, OTOH, think the writer
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:24 AM
Jan 2016

made a simple mistake. MOM is their 2nd most hated candidate for President, Bloomberg is their 3rd most hated.

Bernie's not on their enemies list.

They haven't written anything against Bernie similar to what they're written about Hillary. They view her -- and President Obama -- as much worse enemies.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
27. Well hey, best of luck in your endeavour..
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders: Gun Nut really doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot of traction, but you are tenacious, I'll give you that.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
39. I didn't say he was a gun nut. I said that they hate Obama, Hillary, Martin,
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jan 2016

Michael Bloomberg, and Charles Schumer.

But Bernie's not on their hate list.

And they didn't include him on this list, either:

“The Democratic Party has chosen to coronate Clinton, and we’ve been singularly focused on her. That doesn’t mean we’re taking our eye off the ball with respect to Martin O’Malley, Jim Webb or Lincoln Chafee,” Spicer said Saturday, referring to potential Democratic presidential candidates. “But it’s a question of math, and you’d have to be from another planet to think Lincoln Chafee is going to be a viable contender.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-republicans-stop-hillary-campaign-begins-in-earnest/2015/04/11/bac6fce4-e05d-11e4-a500-1c5bb1d8ff6a_story.html

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
53. Define "cozy"
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:41 AM
Jan 2016

Has he been paid millions for private speeches? Has he appointed members of the gun industry to his staff numerous times over the years? Has he switched his positions on issues seemingly overnight after talking to an industry member?

He occasionally votes in ways that might somehow favor them? Hardly "cozy."

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
69. NRA had financial support in an earlier Congressional race for Bernie
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

....they helped him win.

I am on a handheld and reasearch is cumbersome, but very easy to find...crooks and liars has a great article on this...just google NRA helps Bernie win election.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. He's been as high as a C, depending on the year. They issue a new rating
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

every year, and his goes up and down depending on what the issues were voted on that year.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. frankly, i am more concerned about iran
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

being on hillarys enemy list than i am about the ramblings of an extreme money grubbing organization.

this is a non issue.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
43. At least she's not saying we should send Iranian soldiers as part of
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

"boots on the ground" in Syria to bring an end to the turmoil there.

Iranians are Syrians worst enemies and don't belong in any force there -- no matter what Bernie says.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
45. no, she will start to advocate american troops
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:11 AM
Jan 2016

just like iraq, and we see how well that worked out...

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
48. She has stated very firmly that she will NOT send American ground forces.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:16 AM
Jan 2016

But he HAS advocated that Iran be part of troops in Syria -- which would be a disaster.

(She did not vote for war in Iraq, as prosecuted by Bush. She and Kerry and Biden and others voted to give him the authority to enforce the UN resolutions in the event WMD's -- such as atomic weapons -- were found. WMDs were never found, but Bush ignored the restriction and went in anyway. The Rethugs controlled Congress by that March and there was nothing Dems could do to stop him, with or without an October IWR.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/17/bernie-s-isis-strategy-is-a-disaster.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders wants Iran and Saudi Arabia to send ground troops into Syria as part of a coalition of Muslim nations to fight ISIS, an idea he’s pressed multiple times as a strategy to fight Islamic extremism in the region.

It’s the Middle East policy equivalent of a COEXIST bumper sticker. Sanders’s proposal might sound promising to a foreign policy lightweight—but those with expertise in the area know that the concept is deeply troubling.

“These comments indicate Sanders’ lack of serious engagement with foreign policy issues. While I appreciate his opposition to the Iraq War, perhaps if he was a little more engaged with that issue he would understand the problematic elements [of his proposal],” said Evan Barrett, a political adviser to the Coalition for a Democratic Syria, a Syrian-American opposition umbrella group.

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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
62. it would seem to me that bernie was smart enough to make the right decision
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jan 2016

on iraq, and tried to avoid the worst foreign policy blunder in recent history. so his foreign policy chops are fine with me.

hillary made the decision to support gwb either becuse she wanted war (which tells me she has a serious judgment problem) or because she thought it would help her politically in ny state (which tells me she has a serious ethics problem).

either way, i trust bernie much more to make appropriate foreign policy decisions.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
63. Hillary made the decision to support the UN resolution, as did John Kerry and
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jan 2016

Joe Biden. None of them wanted war. The IWR was meant as a way to force Iraq to give up the WMD's it supposedly had (because people like Colin Powell were lying to Congress). No WMD's were ever given up OR found, but Bush went to war anyway -- ignoring the conditions of the IWR.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
64. history has shown they were all wrong
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jan 2016

we have isis now because of their shortsightedness

anyone who thought w could be trusted with that authority does not have the judgement to be president.

and before you ask, yeah, that includes biden, not that he is going to jump in and "save" a party from bernie that does not need saving

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
65. It is true that they erred. But Sen. Ted Kennedy said the only reason he didn't
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jan 2016

make the same mistake is because his seat on the Armed Services Committee gave him access to classified information that showed him the Bush administration was lying. Unfortunately, he wasn't allowed to share this info with other Democrats.

But it is the Bush administration who bears the blame for lying, not the Dems who got lied into signing the IWR.

And as it turned out, the IWR didn't even matter. A few months later, with majorities in both Houses, Bush could have gotten an IWR without any votes from Democrats.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
68. bush, dick and powell lied, but many did not believe them. hillary did.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

some either saw through the lies or knew the war was a bad idea in any event.

she can't get a pass on this. huge mistake. she either believed bush, wanted war, or was voting to save her senate seat in the wake of 911. none are acceptable reasons imo

their neocon routine did not fool any of these people

senate

* Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
* Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
* Barbara Boxer (D-California)
* Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
* Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
* Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
* Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
* Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
* Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
* Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
* Bob Graham (D-Florida)
* Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
* Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
* Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
* Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
* Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
* Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
* Patty Murray (D-Washington)
* Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
* Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
* Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
* The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
* Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)



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uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
40. Idiotic = voting to give a bunch of bastard corporations undue immunity from anything...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jan 2016

.... sounds like Sanders is different side of same coin... he just picked different vices

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. The weathervane in 2008: Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:08 AM
Jan 2016
Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747



Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008


But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
46. Howard Dean received an A rating. Lifetime? B. Sanders started off with an F and
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jan 2016

then peaked ONE year to a C- and then declined to a D-

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Yep, he got a lot of Fs too:
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jan 2016
The NRA (or technically its political action committee, the NRA-Political Victory Fund) has grades for Sanders as far back as 1992, when he ran for his second term for Congress as an independent from Vermont. (The NRA did not have earlier ratings available even though Sanders first ran for Congress in 1988 before winning in 1990.)

The grades the gun lobby did have on file show Sanders has never exactly been in its favor, with one sort-of exception.

1992 D
1994 F
1996 F
1998 F
2000 F
2002 F
2004 D+
2006 C-
2012 D-

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-nra-report-card-d-minus-most-recent/

Sanders voted against the pro-gun-control Brady Bill, writing that he believes states, not the federal government, can handle waiting periods for handguns. In 1994, he voted yes on an assault weapons ban. He has voted to ban some lawsuits against gun manufacturers and for the Manchin-Toomey legislation expanding federal background checks.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm



Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks

....However, the Nation and the other reports like it don’t shed real light on where Sanders is coming from. They don’t explain why he supports some gun controls but not others. Nor do they ask if there’s a consistency to Sanders’ positions and votes over the years? They simply suggest that Bernie’s position is muddled and makes a good target for Hillary.

Yet there is an explanation. It’s consistent and simpler than many pundits think. And it’s in Bernie’s own words dating back to the campaign where he was first elected to the U.S. House—in 1990—where he was endorsed by the NRA, even after Sanders told them that he would ban assault rifles. That year, Bernie faced Republican incumbent Peter Smith, who beat him by less than 4 percentage points in a three-way race two years before.

In that 1988 race, Bernie told Vermont sportsmen that he backed an assault weapons ban. Smith told the same sportsmen’s groups that he opposed it, but midway through his first term he changed his mind and co-sponsored an assault rifle ban—even bringing an AK-47 to his press conference. That about-face was seen as a betrayal and is the background to a June 1990 debate sponsored by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.

I was at that debate with Smith and three other candidates—as the Sanders’ campaign press secretary—and recorded it. Bernie spoke at length three times and much of what he said is relevant today, and anticipates his congressional record on gun control ever since. Look at how Bernie describes what being a sportsperson is in a rural state, where he is quick to draw the line with weapons that threaten police and have no legitimate use in hunting—he previously was mayor of Vermont’s biggest city, and his record of being very clear with the gun lobby and rural people about where he stands. His approach, despite the Nation’s characterization, isn’t “open-minded.”

As you can see, Bernie—who moved to rural northeastern Vermont in the late 1960s—has an appreciation and feeling for where hunting and fishing fit into the lives of lower income rural people. He’s not a hunter or a fisherman. When he grew up in Brooklyn, he was a nerdy jock—being captivated by ideas and a high school miler who hoped for a track scholarship for college. But like many people who settled in Vermont for generations, he was drawn to its freer and greener pastures and respected its local culture.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/10/what_bernies_gun_control_critics_get_wrong_partner/


Alternet: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent for Decades

Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernie—to test his mettle after Smith’s about-face.

“Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation?” he asked. “Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?”

“Yes,” he replied. “Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsman’s Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”


That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

“I said that before the election,” he continued. “The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We don’t know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.

“I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades


Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban


Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill because it included the Violence against Women Act and assault weapons ban:

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just don’t think the state itself, whether it’s the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/


If he's a pro-NRA/pro-gun politician why did the NRA give him a lifetime D- rating?

The op will continue to misrepresent this article though, facts don't matter.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
70. He should be at F.....and has been as high as C. NRA backed Bernie 1990
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jan 2016

I guess currying favors from that Corporate surrogate was fine for the Congressional election, but he pretends like he isn't doing it today? Today Bernie doesn't even dare call them "establishment" like he did Planned Parenthood.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
41. It was two votes, the Bradey Bill, and Gun Corporation immunity that mattered to me.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jan 2016

Clearly, Sanders voting for Corporate Welfare for Gun Corporations is like sweet morning kisses for the NRA.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
54. Hmm.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jan 2016

Care to elaborate on what the NRA thinks Bernie's gun positions are?

You said : "The NRA prefers his gun positions. "

What positions would those be, specifically? I'm curious as to why the NRA would prefer them. If you're asserting/implying/suggesting that Bernie is a good friend to the NRA, or somehow in their pocket... well, I'd politely request that you present some kind of evidence of that... something besides an article that... well... doesn't actually mention Bernie.

Somehow, I highly doubt the Sanders is an ally of the NRA, or in their pocket.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
58. Good question! I wouldn't expect an answer.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:10 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary supporters have been making that claim for months but can't back it up.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
66. The NRA is obviously picking their favorite candidate.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jan 2016

They're promoting Hillary by making Bernie less appealing to Democratic voters - even though Bernie's NRA rating has never been good. I imagine many organizations will be doing this since the release of the latest email info. The GOP candidate has a golden issue to run on. They will say she is not only dishonest, but she might be indicted. Hillary will go the way of John Kerry: Swiftboated on BS.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
72. Well, that's certainly worth noting. Very interesting. Revealing.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

And concerning to me. If I hadn't already made up my mind to support Hillary, this bit of information would certainly have me rethinking any support I might have been willing to give to Sanders in the primary.

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