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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:50 PM Jan 2016

Hillary is most likely about to win Iowa for these reasons:

First, polls have CONSISTENTLY had her ahead, so THAT is the most important trend. It is to where 538 has her at an 80% chance of winning.

Now, the reasons:

1) Her team has been there a LONG time making connections and building the ground game. Much more than Bernie.
2) She wins with LIKELY and RELIABLE caucus-goers.
3) Geography is on her side. Sanders does well in big college areas. But ALL the little rural areas are Hillary country. She owns MUCH more geography.
4) Sanders would need to get ALL those young people to go caucus. Will they? Hmmmmmm....?
5) Hillary has done tons and tons of smaller up close and personal events.
6) Sanders has not done well IDing his large rally-goers to make sure they caucus.
7) Hillary has run a good GOTV operation.
8) Hillary is SUPREMELY qualified for the job.

I love Bernie. But he would have to pull a MAJOR upset to win at this point.

If Bernie loses, he does go on to win NH, but Hillary comes out with WAY more MOMENTUM. I think she gains in NH, but then goes on to run the table, especially in the South.

If the race turns firmly to Hillary, she needs to LEARN from the Sanders message, GET more inspiring, GET Bernie to endorse her if and when he starts to fade, and MAKE BERNIE PART OF HER CAMPAIGN. Bernie has said he would support her. She needs to conference with him in a big way and have Bernie actively campaign for her. Bernie would make a great Sec. of Labor as well.

Over in Crazy Land, I think Trump wins both Iowa and NH and then runs the table. They're gonna nominate that crazy asshole. And then let the REAL games begin. I will say this about Hillary. She is ONE TOUGH GRANDMOTHER! She puts the shit to the RePUKElicans and Trump HARD all the time. She knows how to FIGHT. So this is gonna be fun to watch.

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Hillary is most likely about to win Iowa for these reasons: (Original Post) RBInMaine Jan 2016 OP
yada yada yada bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #1
Is that all you've got? If you disagree, please, at least offer a real argument. And, if Bernie RBInMaine Jan 2016 #5
Don’t take it personally. busterbrown Jan 2016 #15
I'm not going to cry. I am saying with my yada that I do not bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #28
Nice post workinclasszero Jan 2016 #2
Good points. DCBob Jan 2016 #3
Agreed she has an unparalleled ground game. She's likely to win, unless cali Jan 2016 #4
I think it would need to be tidal wave. Party registrations aren't climbing as they should for that. RBInMaine Jan 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #7
She is calling for the release of these emails in question..all 22. busterbrown Jan 2016 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #13
Rational and probably SCantiGOP Jan 2016 #8
The small events I think have made a major impact. I watched one on CSPAN and the audience Lucinda Jan 2016 #9
She cannot learn from. Bernie's message because she doesn't believe in his message. JRLeft Jan 2016 #10
Here is why you are mistaken: RBInMaine Jan 2016 #20
Here's a reply. retrowire Jan 2016 #12
So, I will say this to you: RBInMaine Jan 2016 #16
the rural areas are not Hillary country Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #14
That was then, this is now. 80% probability from 538 she wins. RBInMaine Jan 2016 #17
thousands turn up for Bernie rallies NowSam Jan 2016 #18
IF she wins for those reasons, Bernie couldn't have won nationally. basselope Jan 2016 #19
If The Trump swings to the center he will alienate the very right wingers who put him over. RBInMaine Jan 2016 #22
Of course, she may win. MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #21
Endgame polling had Obama WINNING. Same now for Hillary. RBInMaine Jan 2016 #23
Yes, and so did my numbers, if you read them, by a bit over 1%. MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #25
Bernie's crowds are just too big! DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #24
and everything she's done has lost her a 30% lead... ypsfonos Jan 2016 #26
Of course it was going to tighten. You are quoting an ANCIENT poll before there was even a campaign. RBInMaine Jan 2016 #29
"Hillary has done tons and tons of smaller up close and personal events" loyalsister Jan 2016 #27
"War monger" is wild-eyed hyerbole. She has said over and again, "No US ground troops." RBInMaine Jan 2016 #30
 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
5. Is that all you've got? If you disagree, please, at least offer a real argument. And, if Bernie
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jan 2016

loses, don't cry in your soup. If he wins, I certainly won't. I will back whomever wins in the end and have said so. It is just very statistically tough for Bernie to win this at this point. Hillary is my first choice, but I have always said that I really like Bernie too, and I think his candidacy is good for the party and for American democracy. Hillary is MEGA-qualified. She is ready at moment-one. And she is PROGRESSIVE. Not as far left as Bernie, but PROGRESSIVE.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
15. Don’t take it personally.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jan 2016

They have been attacking the “I love Bernie but don’t feel he can win the general” for at least a year..
It becomes very tiring. They usually end up telling us we “have no guts”

I don’t wanna gamble.. Supreme Court, House, Senate and an a right wing President at the helm?
Absolute fucking disaster.. Can’t chance it..

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
28. I'm not going to cry. I am saying with my yada that I do not
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:07 AM
Jan 2016

agree with all that you have written in your OP.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Agreed she has an unparalleled ground game. She's likely to win, unless
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

A large wave of new caucus goers show up.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
6. I think it would need to be tidal wave. Party registrations aren't climbing as they should for that.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
11. She is calling for the release of these emails in question..all 22.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

They probably weren’t even considered classified when she sent them.

The State Dept.. has really fucked this up..Lots of in fighting.

Response to busterbrown (Reply #11)

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
9. The small events I think have made a major impact. I watched one on CSPAN and the audience
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jan 2016

reactions from beginning to end were interesting. It was late in the evening, 10 pm-ish and she was running late. The staff ordered pizza, and the folks waited to hear what she had to say. It seemed to go from a warm, polite welcome, to a real strong connection by the end of her remarks. Many stayed to speak with her. She has the ability to communicate her points very clearly, and covers a lot of ground in a 25 minute speech. And not one single negative thing was said about any of her opponents.

I also love Bernie. I wish he had a campaign staff that served him better.

And I am beginning to "get" why people on the right are turning to Trump. I think they are finally realizing that a lot of their elected officials are truly making things worse and that people like Rush and Glenn Beck have been feeding them lies for about 20 years now. That is a great first step in moving the country leftward. Trump is the "not them" candidate. But he is dangerous.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
10. She cannot learn from. Bernie's message because she doesn't believe in his message.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

It wouldn't be authentic but that hasn't stopped her before.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
20. Here is why you are mistaken:
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

They share the same GOALS of full health coverage, much lower college tuition, reigning in the too big to fail banks, sensible gun safety, unionization, better jobs with better pay, strengthening Social Security, supporting Medicare, expanding Medicaid, etc. etc. etc. Some differences on how to get there, but your comment that she doesn't believe in all Bernie is for is a hyperbolic falsehood.

Nate Silver has her at an 80% chance of winning two days out. MOST polls have her ahead. Yes, Bernie has done some great work, but not enough. And the MANY smaller events are VERY effective in Iowa. They want to see them up close on our side especially.
She is supremely qualified. It's irrefutable. Wellsley, Yale Law, Attorney, First Lady of AR, First Lady of US, Marshaled in CHIP healthcare program, US Senator, Sec. of State. You don't get a better resume. She's brilliant and VERY experienced.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
12. Here's a reply.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

1) That's an opinion
2) She hasn't won but yes I'll give you LIKELY and RELIABLE caucus-goers.
3) Geography is on her side. Sanders does well in big college areas. <--- She owns nothing. She does do better in the rural parts.
4) Sanders basically just needs a few of his RALLIES of young voters to show up and it's done.
5) Hillary has done tons and tons of smaller up close and personal events. <--- This didn't benefit her that much I believe.
6) Sanders has not done well IDing his large rally-goers to make sure they caucus. <---??? He's in a dead heat with Hillary, she dropped 30 points within 2 months. How is he not doing well?
7) Hillary has run a good GOTV operation. <---Since no votes have been made yet, this is clearly opinion. We'll know on monday.
8) Hillary is SUPREMELY qualified for the job. <---Opinion.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
16. So, I will say this to you:
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jan 2016

They share the same GOALS of full health coverage, much lower college tuition, reigning in the too big to fail banks, sensible gun safety, unionization, better jobs with better pay, strengthening Social Security, supporting Medicare, expanding Medicaid, etc. etc. etc. Some differences on how to get there, but your comment that she doesn't believe in all Bernie is for is a hyperbolic falsehood.

Nate Silver has her at an 80% chance of winning two days out. MOST polls have her ahead. Yes, Bernie has done some great work, but not enough. And the MANY smaller events are VERY effective in Iowa. They want to see them up close on our side especially.

Of course she is supremely qualified. It's irrefutable. Wellsley, Yale Law, Attorney, First Lady of AR, First Lady of US, Marshaled in CHIP healthcare program, US Senator, Sec. of State. You don't get a better resume. She's brilliant and VERY experienced.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
18. thousands turn up for Bernie rallies
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jan 2016

but on the day it matters they'll just stay home? I bet they turn up by the thousands. Multitudes.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
19. IF she wins for those reasons, Bernie couldn't have won nationally.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's entire strategy relies upon getting people who had previously given up on the process, who felt they didn't have a voice to stand up and be counted... if they don't show up in Iowa.. they would not show up nationally.

Unfortunately, Hillary is a terribly flawed candidate and I fear will lose to Trump, because Trump is going to swing to the center and act as if the primaries never even happened. Even faced with direct quotes, he will say they were taken out of context and blow them off.

It will be an "outsider" vs "establishment" and worse, an establishment candidate that too large a part of the base doesn't want.

I know far too many democrats who will absolutely refuse to vote for Clinton, no matter how many I repeat Bill Maher's line of if you can't get the fish, eat the chicken!

So, I hope for the chances of a Democrat actually taking the white house, Bernie wins, b/c he is the only candidate I see with a chance against Trump.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
22. If The Trump swings to the center he will alienate the very right wingers who put him over.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary is less flawed than a self described socialist. If Bernie won they would shout SocialistCommunistSocialistCommunist... night and day. I think it would crush him.

Romney tried to move to the center. Didn't work. He had already said he wanted Hispanics to self deport, that he wanted Detroit to go bankrupt, etc. They pinned it to his ass BIGTIME and he could not escape it.

Trump has already spouted so much CRAZY, that Hillary and her team, which includes much of Obama's team, are going to run a half a billion dollars worth of ads supergluing all his crazy shit to him in a major league way. If it's The Trump versus Hillary, she wins and all the experts are saying so right now.

If The Trump moves to the center and starts sounding too liberal, the R primary crazies will call him a heathen communist turncoat and tuck tail and run from him. That's what you get with CRAZY. The Trump's die is cast.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
21. Of course, she may win.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jan 2016

I don't necessarily agree wth all your reasons.

But it ain't over 'til it's over. In 2008, The last poll average had her at 29.2 and she received 29.4 percent. Edwards was polling at 26 and received 29.7; while Obama polled at 30.8 and received 37.5. Her numbers almost didn't move and the undecided broke for Edwards and Obama.

So really, you can throw out all the reasons you think will have an impact, but every side can do that to their own benefit.

It's all just speculation at this point.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
25. Yes, and so did my numbers, if you read them, by a bit over 1%.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jan 2016

The point was her numbers didn't move. Hillary is still Hillary. The undecideds broke for the other candidates.

Im not saying that will happen again, I'm just saying based on past precedent, it's a possible scenario.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
29. Of course it was going to tighten. You are quoting an ANCIENT poll before there was even a campaign.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jan 2016

Of course Bernie has a compelling message and this was going tighten a lot. That is no surprise at all. Still, Hillary will most likely win for the reasons I've said.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
27. "Hillary has done tons and tons of smaller up close and personal events"
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

It's my understanding that she does very well in that arena. Unfortunately, she is a rotten candidate when it comes to larger venues and unpredictable crowds. It is all big crowds and large venues for the nominee, thus she would make a terrible candidate for the GE.

If we have war monger vs. war monger, tons of people will sit out. We are screwed if she is the nominee.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
30. "War monger" is wild-eyed hyerbole. She has said over and again, "No US ground troops."
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jan 2016

No US ground troops in the Middle East conflict. That is what she has said. And she is fine in front of stadium sized crowds too.

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