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Perogie

(687 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:29 PM Jan 2016

Sanders campaign - unauthorized use of AARP logo


Sanders unauthorized use of AARP logo - Caused ZERO Iraqi civilian deaths
Clinton's vote to authorize war for Bush - At least 150,000 Iraqi civilian deaths
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/


If the Hillary supports can forgive Clinton for her vote then they should keep quiet about a miscue over a damn logo.


All Hillary had to say was she made a mistake and she was forgiven.



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Sanders campaign - unauthorized use of AARP logo (Original Post) Perogie Jan 2016 OP
and in 2006, Hillary voted AGAINST the ban on cluster bombs. grasswire Jan 2016 #1
Sanders votes on the Brady Bill and some 33,000 gun violence deaths, Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #2
The Brady bill passed so zero deaths on his hands from that. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #4
So, if a bill passes--with or without the vote of one legislator--then it doesn't MADem Jan 2016 #19
Reading is fundamental. ;) beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #20
Yep, it sure is--and that seems to be the point you are making. nt MADem Jan 2016 #21
Seems being the operative word. You definitely missed it. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22
Brady Bill passed so what's your point? Perogie Jan 2016 #5
The bill was watered down on back ground checks and was passed on the fifth Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #11
So you forgive him like you do Hillary, right? Perogie Jan 2016 #14
He forgot to apologize, said he was from a rural state, Hillary Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #16
Every day innocent people die in America workinclasszero Jan 2016 #6
I asked you before to provide a link to all of the deaths that were caused by the PLCAA. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #8
So you forgive him like you do Hillary, right? Perogie Jan 2016 #13
Can someone show me this crime. Cartoonist Jan 2016 #3
+ a million. bunnies Jan 2016 #25
Deflection is good. Helps with rationalization. DanTex Jan 2016 #7
do you easily rationalize away those deaths? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #10
Well, if Sanders wants to associate himself with AARP, let him--they're the MADem Jan 2016 #9
I was a member Old Codger Jan 2016 #15
I personally know at LEAST a dozen people who quit them and never went back. MADem Jan 2016 #17
I do have Old Codger Jan 2016 #18
I actually agree with you on this. The AARP isn't what people think it is. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #24
So, I've been looking for a copy of this mailer with the AARP logo and I can't find it passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #12
"Newsweek obtained an image of the mailer" demwing Jan 2016 #26
My God, the stuff people focus on astounds me. Thanks for putting it in perspective with OP. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #23

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. and in 2006, Hillary voted AGAINST the ban on cluster bombs.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

All this shit about fighting for children and families and humanitarian interests is just that. Shit. Hypocrite.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. So, if a bill passes--with or without the vote of one legislator--then it doesn't
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

matter how they voted?

Hmmmmm!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
11. The bill was watered down on back ground checks and was passed on the fifth
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

Time around, an example of a failure was the Charleston loop hole, this one purchased a gun and killed 9. That is a point I find important. This is just one example.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. He forgot to apologize, said he was from a rural state, Hillary
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

Apologized and said she would not vote that way again, did not get that assurance from Sanders and why should I, he voted against the bill five times, tells me this was his vote.

Did you forgive Hillary for her vote on IWR though the invasion was on Bush, I dont let Bush off the hook for his decision.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
6. Every day innocent people die in America
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jan 2016

Because big gun manufacturers are protected by law.

Every day in America some poor kid dies because common sense gun laws like the Brady bill were blocked.

America can thank senator Bernie Sanders for all of that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. I asked you before to provide a link to all of the deaths that were caused by the PLCAA.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

Have you found one yet?

Because if you can't link his vote to the people who die "daily" as a result then no, we can't "thank him".

Every day in America some poor kid dies because common sense gun laws like the Brady bill were blocked


Um, you do know the Brady Bill passed, right?


Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
3. Can someone show me this crime.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

Where's the ad?
Who printed it?
Can someone actually prove Bernie's involvement?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. Well, if Sanders wants to associate himself with AARP, let him--they're the
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

ASSHOLES (and there's no better word than that) who endorsed George Bush's "donut hole" that causes people at a point where they need medication the most and don't have enough money to stretch between needs and kids in college, etc., while also having to spend obscene amounts on drugs.

Thanks a lot, AARP! They lost tens of thousands of members over that--and most never returned.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/09/medicares-poison-pill

Part D offers a disturbing window on the future of health care. For conservatives, it represents the sharp end of the stake they hope to drive into Medicare at large, destroying the largest and best single-payer health care program this nation has ever known. For progressives, it demonstrates the vast shortcomings of any health program—no matter how "universal"—that fails to defy Big Pharma and the insurance companies. For myself, perhaps the key lesson from dealing with Part D has been that the new plan doesn't have that much to do with ensuring drug access for seniors, but a great deal with securing the vested interests of the stakeholders—from the Bush administration and the pharma industry, all the way to groups like AARP.

.....The gap is also known as the doughnut hole, and it works like this. Whatever Medicare Part D plan you choose, you receive coverage up to the "initial coverage limit," a threshold based on the full cost of the drugs you've received (not your copay amount). In 2007, the standard was $2,400; in 2008, it's $2,510. After that you'll have to pay full freight for your drugs until you reach yet another level of spending, at which point Part D's "catastrophic" coverage kicks in. And guess what: According to the 2007 House oversight committee report, when beneficiaries are in the doughnut hole and paying full price, they don't benefit from the rebates regularly offered by pharmaceutical companies to insurers; instead, the companies pocket the discounts. Last year, according to the report, Part D insurers stood to receive a billion dollars in rebates on drugs that seniors had actually paid for on their own.

Most of the people who fall into the doughnut hole—4.2 million in 2006, the last year for which numbers were available—probably have no bloody idea when the big plunge is coming. I certainly didn't. But then it happened, last August: Suddenly, my three $6 generic drugs cost $28.03, $29.00, and a whopping $106.29 for the generic version of the antidepressant Wellbutrin. My $28 drugs were now $33 and $61, and even my expensive "non-preferred" drug went up a few dollars. And I still had to keep paying my plan premiums. My monthly costs more than doubled, from $169.50 to $357.76.


So, yeah....fuck AARP. They "berned" a lot of bridges with that piece of work.
 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
15. I was a member
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

After a time I realized they were more for the 1% than anything else their "breaks" on stuff is pretty worthless for most people even on health insurance stuff they are pretty bad..

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I personally know at LEAST a dozen people who quit them and never went back.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016

Quite a few of them wrote "Fuck You" letters when they sent back their membership forms without a check~!

They probably ended up in the trash, but I'm sure the venting felt good!

If you want the odd hotel discount, AAA is just as good if not better--and they'll come change your tire, too!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
12. So, I've been looking for a copy of this mailer with the AARP logo and I can't find it
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jan 2016

But I did find this:

AARP’s Iowa chapter had to clarify publicly that it is not supporting Sanders after noticing that the campaign was distributing mailers that include a photo of AARP members wearing their red shirts with the slogan “Take a Stand.” That’s the name of the group’s campaign to raise the Social Security issue in the 2016 election and get candidates to present their plan to protect the retirement program. Newsweek obtained an image of the mailer, which touts Sanders’s record as a defender of Social Security.


The organization did not contact the Sanders campaign about halting the mailing, according to spokeswoman Ann Black
.


http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806

I want to see this mailer. I suspect it is not saying or implying anything about AARP supporting Bernie, only that AARP members support his position on strengthening social security.

If anyone can help me find a copy of one of these mailers, I'd love to see it.
Thanks
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
26. "Newsweek obtained an image of the mailer"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jan 2016

and then just forgot to post it?

Either they're numb-skulls, or they don't want us to see the mailer.

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