2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAARP: We did not authorize the Sanders campaign to use our logo in their campaign mailing
WOW! Another blatant misrepresentation.
Bernie's campaign tried to imply they were endorsed by AARP in a mailing.
AARP responds:
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Des Moines, January 26, 2106 In response to the Sanders campaign mailing featuring AARP and the Associations Take A Stand campaign, AARP does not endorse candidates, have a political action committee (PAC), or make contributions to political campaigns or candidates.
While we have encouraged the presidential candidates to lay out their plans to update Social Security, AARP did not authorize the Sanders campaign to mention AARP or use the AARP logo, and we did not participate in its production.
We have a proud 30-year history of non-partisan voter engagement, providing voters with information on where the candidates stand on issues important to our members and their families, so they can make their own decisions on Election Day.
AARPs Take A Stand campaign is pressing all candidates to lay out their plan to make Social Security financially sound for future generations. Yet in the last two debates, candidates either dodged the issue or spoke in soundbites not specifics.
http://states.aarp.org/aarp-statement-in-response-to-sanders-mailing/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)In regards to the use of a logo? I'm going to guess it was a beginner mistake.
synergie
(1,901 posts)he's been a professional politician longer than I've been alive, he is no beginner.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Assuming they were the ones who actually sent the mailer.
still_one
(92,233 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'm still trying to find a copy of the mailer. Who sent it out? I'd like to see the evil evidence that Bernie hatched this up on his own.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)AARPs Iowa chapter had to clarify publicly that it is not supporting Sanders after noticing that the campaign was distributing mailers that include a photo of AARP members wearing their red shirts with the slogan Take a Stand. Thats the name of the groups campaign to raise the Social Security issue in the 2016 election and get candidates to present their plan to protect the retirement program. Newsweek obtained an image of the mailer, which touts Sanderss record as a defender of Social Security.The organization did not contact the Sanders campaign about halting the mailing, according to spokeswoman Ann Black.
http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Thanks for sharing that.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)mushrooming volunteers and staff. He's making some beginner's mistakes. He'll learn...they all have to go through this, I think.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And he clearly isn't much of a swimmer.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)This is merely that we don't need the Oligarchy to tell us what to do. Peanuts, in comparison. We can all...trust me...think for ourselves and not be blinded by The Light of said Oligarchs.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It's common and legal practice to send out mailers such as the one below.
As long as the user is not profiting directly off the usage of a logo, there's very little that says a person or group cannot use a logo... especially in this manner. In short, this is a non issue.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and he used it without their permission.
http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806
Using the logos of the AARP and the LCV without permission was dirty politics, the kind Bernie likes to say he is above.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Especially since you're linking to an article conveniently hidden behind a pay wall.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)"The League of Conservation Voters, however, has contacted Sanderss staff, objecting to their logo being used on another mailer, shared with Newsweek, which portrays the senator as an environmental champion. The pamphlet, which is being sent out in Iowa, notes that Sanders has a lifetime score of 95 percent from the League of Conservation Voters and displays the groups logo beside it.
SNIP
"However, the league requires permission to use its logo and only grants that to politicians whove been endorsed by the affiliated LCV Action Fund. In the presidential race, thats Clinton. According to a spokesman, the group has asked the Sanders campaign to not continue using its logo, and the campaign is looking into how it happened."
http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Fair use laws are pretty clear, though, that campaigns are allowed to use the logos in the manner shown... and it's common practice. I'd agree it'd be dirty politics if it claimed something that wasn't true, such as claiming having been endorsed. That's not the case, however.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So they knew they weren't supposed to be using the AARP and LVC logos. They can't claim ignorance. And Fair Use laws doesn't allow campaigns to use logos owned by other orgs without permission.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Fair use is what allows Wikipedia to post all the logos on it's site... in order to get it removed, it fell to the Bernie campaign to contact Wikipedia if they wished it removed. They chose to withdraw the request, however. This is consistent with the usage of the LCV logo... as for AARP, they've declined to request a cessation of usage.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)They were using it on their mailers to falsely imply that they had the endorsement of LCV. Lying isn't fair use.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)See that part that says "Lifetime score of 95% from the League of Conservation Voters"?
That's the citation. There's no lie in that statement. It's true.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)If Bernie's camp would respond in kind to the horse-shit coming out of the Clinton campaign, THEN you'd see "dirty politics"!
'Course, if you'd take off the Hillary-blinders, you'd already be seeing it.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Why I'll bet he might even try to use his own private email server for government emails. He would probably wipe those emails with a cloth so they didn't appear to be top secret emails too before having them sent through.
George II
(67,782 posts)But your premise is entirely false:
NO "national security secrets" were "held" on that server
Using a private server did not violate the law or State Department policies and procedures.
Do you work for Trey Gowdy?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/267269-fbis-clinton-investigation-not-letting-up
There is also evidence that suggests Hillary had people strip off classification headers and sent the documents to her server. There's all kinds of security breaches, issues and illegalities with that.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)It was retroactively classified, years later. Retroactive classification is a crazy, unpredictable practice that has even affected information that has been sitting on government websites for years.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)The implications are very damming... we're not talking about retroactive classification. We're talking about the willful removal of classified headers from documents prior to transmission from classified servers to her unclassified server... that's an enormous breach of security and very illegal.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)it was, HRC asked for it to be sent without a header.
Also, there is no indication that such a document was ever actually sent.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Then there is the question of documents that are specifically part of a classified system that have a classified header attached. The classified system is in no way connected to any unclassified system, yet those highly classified documents ended up on her system sans the classification header... they had to be intentionally removed.
Combine that with her e-mail that specifically tells an aid to remove headers and to transmit documents, and it becomes very a reasonable probability. More than enough to initiate court proceedings. Probably wont ever happen... the Clintons are too well connected for such a lawsuit to reach the bench.
You can discount it as just a GOP rumor... but claiming her innocence doesn't pass the sniff-test, given the evidence.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)charged her with something?
Oh yeah, they're part of the conspiracy.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Hillary was his choice for state department... as it stands, the GOP is going to do their darndest to tarnish his name for selecting her to SoS. That and Dems rarely go after other Dems.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It's pretty damming however.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-2016/
The next morning, Clinton wrote back to say she hadn't received them yet, and after a few minutes Sullivan responded that staff were having issues sending the document in a secure fax but that they were "working on it."
"If they can't," Clinton replies, "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I stopped taking Rethug rumors seriously decades ago.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)You don't like the investigation, I get that. Problem is, it's not going to just go away. Worse yet, there's substance being uncovered to justify further investigation. They've also started investigating the Clinton Foundation to see what other connections exist. This is the gathering stage for a potentially nasty litigation. All due to poor judgment.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)what kind of baseless stories have been thrown at Hillary over the years and why no one who remembers takes Rethug charges -- in this case, rumors -- seriously anymore.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)But that cuts both ways... we are familiar with what kinds of bogus attacks can be used... but we are also familiar with what kinds of corruption and obfuscation can and often is employed to cover up wrong doings. Right now, the appearance is Hillary may be in some legal hot water, unless she can explain away some evidence that is a little too coincidental. You're a bit quick to dismiss it, and I would be too, were it not for that released e-mail. Where I originally thought there was no there, there, to barrow a phrase, now.. what I see is it may be legitimate.
Dovidoff
(40 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)
... or that they were somehow unaware off the nuances of the law.
I wonder if this rises to the level of a criminal act ... perhaps a misdemeanor at most. It certainly seems deceptive, and a best case description works be to call it negligent.
Not a good week for Bernie ... at all.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)on what your definition of "is" is
George II
(67,782 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)They Will Omit candidates from their so called "non partisan " political activities and by this subtle exclusion will promote their CORPORATIST candidate on the sly. AARP is an ESTABLISHMENT organization! Bernie is certainly not that... I would like to know who was behind any of this...
DanTex
(20,709 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)While he is delivering this NECESSARY and POWERFUL message, he has staffers and supporters fucking everything up
makes me crazy
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Why doesn't he?
randys1
(16,286 posts)bashing Hillary, but he can stop staffers from doing stupid stuff.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)learning.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And never needs to evolve. I've read it here on DU at least a dozen times. I however, have learned this. He definitely doesn't need to evolve this close to the Iowa Primaries. It's obvious he has no intention of reigning in these underhanded activities.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I'm not even going to dip so low as to respond with the Hillary Speak here. He's just a heinous crook tricking underhanded people into doing his dirty work. Ok, then. Have a nice life.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And fwiw, I have an amazing life, filled people I love and respect. I am so very lucky that I am able to grow in knowledge and abilities and am uplifted by their company. I am surrounded by people who love and respect me. It's totally amazing. I don't need your phony well wishes
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Nor did his "people". So enjoy your life...really...just stop with the crap. It doesn't wear well with your happy life.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)
mcar
(42,334 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Why, HRH HRC, of course.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)That is the Clinton campaign.
edit to add quotation marks. I am not responsible for the spelling.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Or break a keyboard.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)I answered your question. Perhaps you didn't like the answer. However, the fire and brimstone I received in return is well beyond reason.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)and that matters to members, and LCV endorsed Clinton so it's pretty dishonest. Songs and stuff don't really factor into how voters look at a candidate.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)It's not The Same...it's a Similar Situation. Better? Worse?
synergie
(1,901 posts)groups who endorse them to sway votes. LCV is the League of Conservation Voters, which is an environmental group that endorsed Hillary.
This is way worse than upsetting the personal feelings of an artist, which I totally understand as well, but that's not about manipulating voters and being dishonest with them, that's more about a catchy soundtrack.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)it is biased if you look at my Bernie logo, is that he does not have control of all those who work for him. Probably doesn't know most of them...it's snowballed very fast, one must admit.
Plus he's not been in this dagger vs dagger national political framework for long. Personally, he is likely appalled at the acts...starting with the data thing...he fired them right away. He is, I believe, organizationally naive and going to have to take charge. That's a big part of being President. And also, he really didn't start out to be in this position...it kind of found him. So he's going to make some mistakes that new national politicians make.
Now Hillary, she has, but she's been smart enough to pretzel her words and her attacks and her agent's attacks...she's a pro.
So, there's that.
synergie
(1,901 posts)it's more that they support the objections of the artist themselves, especially if they're fans, or they roll their eyes if they agree with the candidate.
If you look at my actual message, you'll realize that I said the same thing, he's not in control of who chooses to support him or the Super PAC's actions, the same is true for Clinton who has no control over what David Brock or his super PAC does, but which doesn't matter when people are busy painting her as some omnipotent embodiment of all evil, ever.
He's been in politics for decades, longer than I've been alive, so yes he's been around for a long time, and the people doing these things are his long time campaign staffers, who have also been in the business for a long time, it's a bit disingenuous to excuse him and them so readily when it doesn't quite match up with the history.
I think he started out to ensure that discussion happened on the issues that concerned him, and with the season in such a surreal mode and the Clinton Derangement Syndrome that we kind of forgot about, he's in a place he didn't expect to be and he's doing what politicians do, fight for votes in every way possible.
She's just good at what she does, and being smart about how you speak is kind of essential to being a diplomat, which she is, a very successful one, who knows what she's doing.
He's a pro too, don't forget that, just because he's not as good as she is, and so are his staff, despite their errors.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)So of course they would pull this dirty trick against Sanders.
synergie
(1,901 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)So typical.
mcar
(42,334 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)You're saying his campaign didn't create the mailers or the logo was printed without their approval?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That was just me being snarky.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)revmclaren
(2,524 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)Just saw this tweet
Unauthorized use of AARP logo--AARP Statement in Response to Sanders Mailing -http://states.aarp.org/tag/unauthorized-use-of-aarp-logo/ #iacaucus #p2
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)the sheer volume of the hysteria about the dishonesty, the venality and the corruption that these very actions would represent in the minds of those who dismiss it when Bernie does it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)"the sheer volume of the hysteria about the dishonesty, the venality and the corruption that these very actions would represent in the minds of those who dismiss it when Bernie does it."
Jesus Maria...hysteria, dishonesty, venality, corruption...sounds familiar, Dude (or Dudette)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Guaranteed.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Get real? Be honest.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)AARP and the League of Conservation Voters.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/28/1476430/-Bernie-s-Campaign-In-Deep-Now
And let's not forget the attack on Wikimedia for posting their logos.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/bernie-sanders-campaign-sends-dmca-notice-to-wikipedia-over-logos/
THAT is undeniable hypocrisy.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's insane that they would complain to Wiki while misappropriating logos left and right.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)I've been donating to Bernie since the beginning and I never got one of those mailers. And I'm a member of AARP and a senior. I want one!
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I wonder who did.
synergie
(1,901 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... unauthorized use of their music at a rally. I think something like this has more serious implications.
Is this just a series of unfortunate events? Or does it represent a more serious problem?
If it's not a cultural issue, can we conclude that the campaign staffers are worried and are therefore willing to take risks that they would not otherwise take?
It certainly is a mystery. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it's not helping Bernie very much.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... revealing.
Hi, DSB!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)In the other thread a poster suggested the campaign operatives masquerading as union members were trying to unionize the hotel employees. That begs the question why union organizers would be trying to organize a union hotel.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie's campaign is disintegrating in front of our eyes!
This looks like desperation to me...wow!
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)implies the logo's organization's endorsement. I know Berniacs think that's okay since it's done on Bernie's behalf, but it really isn't okay. I'm not sure that some of his supporters are capable of understanding that.
Brainwashing. It's a terrible thing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie is disappointing all of the people who have been disappointed with him for months.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)At you disappointment, for being disappointed by other disappointed people.
Disappointing.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)insurance. Nothing like looking out for the best interests of your members.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)However, it's not necessarily illegal. Generally, for it to be illegal, damages must be proven first. If the claim is true, that someone within the Bernie Campaign used an AARP logo with a mailer, I don't think damages would be possible to find under the circumstances. Context also matters... how was the logo used? Normally, something like this would get photo-captured and brought lightening quick to the internet... though I haven't seen any images as yet. How did AARP learn of this mailer? Could this be a bogus anonymous report that AARP logos were used? It would seem there's not much information to go on here.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But for a campaign run on ethics, it's been found lacking. For a campaign that complained about others using its logo without permission, it's highly hypocritical
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If their logo was used in conjunction with one of their quotes, it's equivalent to a citation.
However, without a picture of the mailer, it's impossible to know how it was used... meaning calling it illegal is conjecture at best.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)every few minutes are hilarious.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)every few minutes are hilarious.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)They have a right to complain if a campaign is using their logo in their mailers.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)At least he didn't cheat on Hillary...but she did lie about him ... LOL
Alas, Bernie and Hillary have feet of clay. Who knew?
Now, can we proceed?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)while the rest of the world is seeing the reality of lies, deceit, unethical innuendos, theft, and misrepresentations.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)ok I admit you made me laugh there.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That was the intent, keep smiling navarth!
They got nothing on Bernie, he's incorruptible and they know it so they have to manufacture scandals.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They've been trying for months to find that sweet scandal that will tank Bernie's campaign but so far they've got nothin.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I hope it did not come from the official campaign. If it did, it is a MAJOR issue.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Another word for misreprentation is lying.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Do you really want to start down that road?!?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)This is a big fucking deal!
That gif!
I think it's my favourite, ever.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I will say that I am LMFAO at the folks who think this will kill his campaign.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)the whole thing look hokey.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)expert opinion?
navarth
(5,927 posts)Not only did it take me to that excellent thread, but it also poked a pretty big hole in the 'logogate' thing. This is just my opinion, of course. I recommend it to any other readers of this thread so that they might formulate their own conclusions. If the implications are true....well that is something that really would be 'disappointing'.
Lamonte
(85 posts)I quit this useless organization long ago. Many times we have blatant behavior by some people that want to take our savings funds away. I mean Social Security and Medicare primarily. AARP never pinpoint the villeins always remaining neutral. What good is that? I want our seniors to quit voting for their enemy and information about this would help.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)is responsible for that mailer?
I want to see an actual copy of this "mailer".
And ditto to other questions about AARP...I wouldn't waste my money on them and I'm way old enough.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)by making it appear Bernie's campaign is responsible? Hmmm?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Hillary risks national security with a private email server. Hillary supporters whine that it's not serious and it's a right wing attack when it's actually a serious matter that has an ongoing FBI investigation...
Bernie misuses a logo in a mailer. Hillary supporters shriek that it's a highly questionable failing of ethics and believe that it affects his ability to be the President of the United States.
Mind blown.
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Does that mean the mailer using the logo was completely legit? It was promoting this event?
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)but stuffing envelopes use to be what volunteers did. If it was outsourced to a company it may have been one of their employees. Depends how wide spread it was. I don't expect Hillary to be accountable for every volunteer and I would hope my candidate would be afforded the same treatment. Then again I dream of Single payer, oceans not rising, banks not fucking me over, my wife and I not having to worry about the ninth layoff in our 35 years of marriage, Just so a wealthy CEO doesn't have to go without their BMW. Oh, and seeing as how I would have love for my 401Ks not to tank due to oil prices dropping. Maybe then I can die and not leave a huge bill for my child to be harassed about. You know Liberal stuff, like going to the moon.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)What I always remember when I see crap like this is this...
Does it affect his ability to be a president or change his goals in anyway? No? Then let's move on.
Feel the BERN. Also, welcome to DU!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)THANK YOU!! Leg Nom Ai.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I posted the site twice. If you read my other post you'll see what I was getting at.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I don't see where Bernie used their logo? Am I blind?
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)Title line I wouldn't know
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)A volunteer from this event that got a little zealous.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153831112389304.1073741894.350914689303&type=3
retrowire
(10,345 posts)So, a volunteer for Bernie's Campaign used the logo without permission.
And how could that volunteer have known that it was wrong? after all AARP of Iowa's facebook page was literally promoting Bernie.
I sense a miscommunication.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)And, of course, it's being blown out of proportion.
denbot
(9,900 posts)Seriously, this sounds like a case for Ken Starr.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)No evidence presented at all.
Lame.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)nope.
William769
(55,147 posts)They can't win on their own so they have to steal and intimidate.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Opened the door wide for anything else.
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Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)A group that claims to be ecological minded backs the candidate that was for the XL and just last night was taking a grand a pop from a group that profits from ducking up the climate. Just another group with superior judgment.
jillan
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sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)about AARP, because they are nothing but a
front for insurance companies. They won't
admit to that, but that is where their real
interests lie.
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jeepers
(314 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Can someone post an image of it?
jillan
(39,451 posts)Vinca
(50,279 posts)They spend good money sending me mailings on a near weekly basis and they end up in the shredder. All kinds of logos are used in advertising. If Bernie said, "We are endorsed by AARP" he's in the wrong. If he didn't, he isn't. I smell another faux issue.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)So this is obviously all a vast right wing conspiracy to harm his campaign.
Hissyspit
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nichomachus
(12,754 posts)I gave up my AARP membership in 2003, when they were strong supporters of the despicable Medicare Part D plan. It is nothing but a bonanza for big insurance and big pharma.
Of course, it was sold to us with the usual garbage we get -- as we did with Obamacare --
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
It's a start -- we can fix it later
It's better than nothing
Blah blah blah
They have done nothing to "fix" it in 12 years. IOW, we were flim-flammed once again.
Anytime you hear those three rationales, you know you've being scammed.
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