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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:19 PM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton, campaign bully

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I have always admired Hillary Clinton’s ambition. What’s distressing is how far she’s willing to go to fulfill it. As we learned in 2008, Clinton plays nice when an unlikely rival first appears out of nowhere, steadily gaining in popularity and momentum. But as soon as it’s clear that her challenger poses a real threat, she panics and whips off the gloves.

In 2008 she assured “60 Minutes” that then-Sen. Barack Obama was not a Muslim, “as far as I know.” Many interpreted the qualifying phrase as insinuating that Obama could be a Muslim. Others insisted that members of the media were reading too much into that final clause.

That remark was open to interpretation; other tactics were unambiguously dirty. It was reported in 2008 that Clinton staffers circulated a photo of Obama in African dress to fuel rumors that he was a Muslim. Her campaign’s New Hampshire co-chairman, Bill Shaheen, resigned in 2008 after raising questions about Obama’s teenage drug use, and two Iowa volunteer coordinators resigned after forwarding emails about Obama’s nonexistent Muslim identity. Mark Penn, Clinton’s chief campaign strategist early in her 2008 run, advised the campaign in a 2007 memo to emphasize Obama’s “lack of American roots.” Penn, too, ultimately resigned.

By contrast, the most notable resignation from the Obama campaign was that of Samantha Power, now the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who resigned after calling Clinton a “monster” who would stoop to anything to get elected.

It is possible neither Clinton nor her senior advisers, aside from Penn, knew of or condoned these dirty tactics. But she certainly has a high tolerance for slimy operatives who specialize in sewing doubt and fear. During this year’s campaign, she has accused her top rival, Bernie Sanders, of wanting to “tear up” the Affordable Care Act and dispatched her daughter to frighten voters with the specter of a Sanders health care plan that would strip low-income people of Medicaid. Both claims are patently false. He favors a single-payer health care system that would extend coverage to all Americans, not take it away. Clinton knows this, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.

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It is possible Clinton has a set of core principles from which she would never deviate, even in a tight race for a position she really wanted. But aside from a belief that women should not be limited by gender — a view Sanders shares — it’s not at all clear what those are. So far, the worst the Sanders campaign has said about Clinton is that she has accepted obscenely high speaking fees from Goldman Sachs (she has) and should be ashamed of her affiliation with Brock (she should be).

Plenty of politicians will do or say anything to get elected. What’s alarming about Clinton’s shady tactics is that she seems to believe her ends always justify her means. Back in ’08, angered by her transparent triangulation on guns, Obama chided Clinton in absentia, saying, “She knows better.”

That’s precisely what makes her campaign behavior — deliberately misrepresenting her opponents’ beliefs and biographies when she feels threatened, altering her own positions whenever it’s expedient and stoking voters’ fears when she can’t win on substance — so appalling.

Raina Lipsitz writes about feminism, politics and pop culture. Her work has appeared in TheAtlantic.com, Kirkus Reviews, McSweeney’s, Nerve.com, Ploughshares, Salon.com and xoJane, among others.

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Hillary Clinton, campaign bully (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
Another Hillary is bad post. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #1
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #2
Hillary is bad. frylock Jan 2016 #11
That sums up my feelings nicely. nt elias49 Jan 2016 #3
I saw the original clip... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #4
I saw it too. I did not get the same impression. cali Jan 2016 #7
I had the same impression. The "as far as I know" sounded like a throwaway line. thereismore Jan 2016 #8
I've said it before: if the person has to lie or deceive to get you to buy what Jarqui Jan 2016 #5
Well, I'm pretty sure she wants women to make the same rotten wages as men do. immoderate Jan 2016 #6
The tone! You'd think she impersonated union members or misappropriated AARP's logo. DanTex Jan 2016 #9
Actually I'm glad you brought up 'impesonating' union members. She did in fact, actually sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #19
Links? NCTraveler Jan 2016 #10
it's because she's a Scorpio retrowire Jan 2016 #12
I'm a scorpio too BainsBane Jan 2016 #13
gr8 b8 m8 2 l8. XD nt retrowire Jan 2016 #14
That's one way BainsBane Jan 2016 #15
bullying, just like a Scorpio. retrowire Jan 2016 #16
I was trying to be light-hearted BainsBane Jan 2016 #17
oh then by all means teeheehee retrowire Jan 2016 #18

Mike Nelson

(9,960 posts)
4. I saw the original clip...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016

...did not get the impression Hillary was suggesting Obama was Muslim or that it would be bad if he held that faith. She's seemed unconcerned with his religious identification.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. I saw it too. I did not get the same impression.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jan 2016

She is not and was not politically naive or ignorant.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
8. I had the same impression. The "as far as I know" sounded like a throwaway line.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

I am not blaming her for that one.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
5. I've said it before: if the person has to lie or deceive to get you to buy what
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

they're selling, then there's something wrong with what they're selling. The truth should suffice.

I've yet to see Hillary ever consistently behave honestly in her scandals and in her national campaigns. 60% of Americans think she's untrustworthy for a reason.

She has a law degree and worked as a lawyer. She's worked in the Governor's Mansion and the White house. She's been a two time Senator and Secretary of State. She is a policy wonk - knows that well. All kinds of good experiences relevant to doing the job. But she lacks an ideological rudder, integrity and judgement.

Come November that's better than what the GOP are going to offer. But for me, it leaves a bunch to be desired.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. Actually I'm glad you brought up 'impesonating' union members. She did in fact, actually
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jan 2016

her supporters, but since you clearly insinuated Sanders himself was out and about impersonating people, I nearly did the same dishonest thing and blamed Hillary herself. But I'm a Sanders supporter and don't engage that kind of deceptive accusation. But yes, a very similar incident occurred in 2008 which apparently her supporters have completely forgotten. At the time, I thought it was way too trivial to bother with.

But seeing how AWFUL it was for a few supporters of a candidate in this race to wear some union buttons, and OMG the Candidate himself was responsible, I am going to take a look again at the incident in 2008 and post it so we can compare.

Sometimes I have a habit of ignoring stuff that doesn't directly relate to Issues, such as What are we going to do about the police murdering AAs on our streets and in our jails?

Maybe I have my priorities wrong. Flint too occupied my mind while the more 'serious' people were obsessed with the Union button thing.

I'm going to have to think about this, where I should be focusing my attention.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
13. I'm a scorpio too
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jan 2016

Wanna make something of it?


I have to say, it's ironic to see a Sanders supporter calling someone else a bully.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
16. bullying, just like a Scorpio.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:49 AM
Jan 2016

ha.

first you confront me with "I'm a Scorpio, want to do something about it" attitude. which is fitting of a Scorpio.

then you tried referring to the Bernie bro article going around. that's the b8 BTW. I don't really have an obligation to speak for bad apples.

then after I laugh off your confrontation, which is the healthy thing to do. I would do so in real life if you stepped to me with that attitude, you then mocked me of fitting a stereotype.

A Scorpio you are. wanna continue?

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
18. oh then by all means teeheehee
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:56 AM
Jan 2016

and tralalala.

let us be merry and frolic through the dandelion fields!

how the hell was I supposed to infer through text that you were in jest? this is the DU, one must keep their guard up, no one is prepared for these outbursts of kindred merriment!

let me know before you start spreading the joy next time, geez!

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