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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:49 AM Feb 2012

Why the White House Picked a Contraception Fight

Speculation, but maybe true.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/02/10/why_the_white_house_picked_a_contraception_fight.html

Why the White House Picked a Contraception Fight

While the White House has taken quite a bit of heat over its decision to mandate that health insurance cover contraception, The Fix notes that this may be a politically useful fight the Obama administration.

"For a White House that has often been accused of trying to undermine Mitt Romney in the Republican presidential race, the contraception debate is perhaps its happiest accident in that quest. After all, while the issue hasn't exactly been fun to deal with for the White House, what better way to help a social conservative like Rick Santorum in his quest to bring down Romney?"

Meanwhile, The Hill reports that the White House will announce a compromise in response to pressure from Catholic groups and Democrats.

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Why the White House Picked a Contraception Fight (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2012 OP
Compromise? Not tax the church in return for the church to lay off politics? RC Feb 2012 #1
Bad News CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #2
I don't think people hate Obamacare. Maybe you'd like to believe that...I've noticed that some CTyankee Feb 2012 #3
They do not yet know what it is. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #5
Exactly! Obama and the Democrats failed to attack the Republican narrative. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #7
Do you mean you like it? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #14
I love it. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #15
We should have Medicare she would not have to worry. But at least you got her care. Good. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #17
yes ... and of course we could have had nothing. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #19
This I wholly agree with you. vaberella Feb 2012 #34
They seem to have the ability to activly hold diametrically opposed positions on any JoePhilly Feb 2012 #37
It's not perfect, but it's got some good stuff in it. I prefer to have a public option and I Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #16
So simple. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #20
Medicare Part E was put forward in the House by Kucinich and Anthony Weiner. It couldn't even get Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #23
I couldn't agree more. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #35
Obama did not fail. Congress and Democrats overall did. vaberella Feb 2012 #33
I hear you, but there was something lacking in the messaging. Back then, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #38
I have to disagree - at least if you are in the south. People more than hate it Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2012 #32
"Obamacare" is a RW term. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #30
Yep, a shiny object for the "Conservative" rubes. bemildred Feb 2012 #4
Falling out of bed easy. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #6
If this tips it so that Santorum runs Romney deep into the primary campaign or if by grantcart Feb 2012 #8
I see you get it. quaker bill Feb 2012 #27
slowly and surely their area of conflict is shrinking grantcart Feb 2012 #28
and perhaps a McCain redux quaker bill Feb 2012 #31
Tired of all the strategerizing and triangulating ... Myrina Feb 2012 #9
It's not all that complicated. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #10
This was done on purpose. cliffordu Feb 2012 #12
Politics isn't quite that cut and dried, even if you feel it should be. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #13
Plus, this issue activates women. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2012 #18
It seems women are mute on this issue UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #21
Women aren't mute. The Corporate Media is making this into a one-sided issue by Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #24
The Democrats tfrey1225 Feb 2012 #26
But it's not only that. vaberella Feb 2012 #36
If true tfrey1225 Feb 2012 #22
See my response (Post #24). The president/Democrats should have framed the debate Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #25
Somebody read my mind, because that is what I was thinking! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #29
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
1. Compromise? Not tax the church in return for the church to lay off politics?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:00 AM
Feb 2012

Now there is a compromise I can get behind. Never mind it is already the law of the land.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
2. Bad News
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:15 AM
Feb 2012

The way I see it is this. The GOP wants to make the election a referendum on Obama...Wrong! They want to make it a referendum on the Obamacare. Something in there for everyone to hate. People like Obama but hate Obamacare. This is just the start. 2010 was the result of just passing Obamacare. The implementation will be an even worse nightmare. It is an easy task to attack the negative than to defend the positive. Look out below!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. I don't think people hate Obamacare. Maybe you'd like to believe that...I've noticed that some
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
Feb 2012

people do like to believe that and spread it around.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
7. Exactly! Obama and the Democrats failed to attack the Republican narrative.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:37 PM
Feb 2012

As Americans learn more about ACA, the more they support it.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
15. I love it.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:38 PM
Feb 2012

My niece who was diagnosed with cancer at 2, had less than a 10% chance to survive and beat the odds. ... well, she is 16 now. And for the past 14 years, the only coverage that she could get was for simple illnesses and sports injuries. She will probably have issues later in life due to the chemo.

She's now FULLY COVERED and for a reasonable price. She will never face a CAP on what her coverage can be ... she can't be dropped for he "pre-existing condition".

The GOP would have had no problem letting her, and those like her be unable to ever obtain coverage. Obamacare prevents that.

Bottom line ... the "compassionate conservative Christians" are not compassionate nor Christian.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
17. We should have Medicare she would not have to worry. But at least you got her care. Good.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:24 PM
Feb 2012

Maybe we can go from this mess to Medicare.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. yes ... and of course we could have had nothing.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:51 PM
Feb 2012

Medicare for all was never going to pass this congress.

Clinton failed to move us forward in the 90s. Bush did nothing. Obama has moved us forward.

And we still have more to do.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
34. This I wholly agree with you.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:30 AM
Feb 2012

I was speaking to my best friend's grandmother. I'm overseas and she's in Georgia and we were speaking through my friend since it's skype I can hear all she says but she can't hear what I say but my friend can (he's wearing headphones). She was on her regular rant at Obama about bailing out the car industry. Since I saw her as all america I thought she would have had a soft spot for Ford since they are not only a car company but they made history not only in America but world wild. Ford is iconic in so many ways. She said that Ford should have collapsed along with Chrysler and GM. Then I said what about the thousand of workers put out of work. Her response to me and I quote, "It's their problem." Yet she's also bitching that Obama is not putting people back to work fast enough within the exact same breath. I kid you not.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
37. They seem to have the ability to activly hold diametrically opposed positions on any
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:05 AM
Feb 2012

number of topics.

I was sitting at the bar in a local restaurant waiting for a table, and there two guys sitting to my left. The one closest to me is telling the other guy how hard its been being out of work. Its clear he's trying to get the other guy, who appears to be an old friend, to help him in some way.

At some point he says "Liberals hate capitalism and they all they want is hand-outs", which almost caused me to jump into his rant. But I stayed quiet.

He goes on. Hates Obama. He's a huge Sarah Palin fan, things she's a strict Constitutional constructionist, blah, blah, blah ... I really want to say something. But I stay quiet. Then he starts to talk about his unemployment is about to run out and he's not sure what he's going to do after that.

He's on unemployment, and he thinks that liberals only want hand-outs. I really wanted to point out the irony.

Thank God that the little buzzer went off and our table was ready.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. It's not perfect, but it's got some good stuff in it. I prefer to have a public option and I
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
Feb 2012

believe that we will give that if given a more *progressive* Senate!! Remember, there were Democratic senators who were not going for a public option. We never had enough Democrats in the Senate who supported the public option, and that was the problem.

The ultimate solution to ALL of our woes is single payer. Give me a Congress that will approve that system, and you've sold me.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
20. So simple.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:56 PM
Feb 2012

Medicare would work. Someone should try and sell it. It is so logical. Old Senator Bob Graham tried but nobody would listen.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
23. Medicare Part E was put forward in the House by Kucinich and Anthony Weiner. It couldn't even get
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:39 PM
Feb 2012

out of committee. This is why we need MORE progressive Democrats. It was the Blue Dogs and of course the Republicans who banded together to keep the bill stuck in committee. Over in the Senate, a similar version was put forth and it didn't get through committee.

Again, we need MORE Russ Feingolds and less Max Baucuses, Blanche Lincolns, and Joe LIEbermans.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
33. Obama did not fail. Congress and Democrats overall did.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:21 AM
Feb 2012

Shit even Democrats on DU were spouting the same Republican bullshit and that is undeniable since I remember several threads on DU2 of people hoping and wishing "obamacare" fails.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
38. I hear you, but there was something lacking in the messaging. Back then,
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:51 AM
Feb 2012

Obama had a horrible messsaging team. His press secretary and surrogates seemed afraid to push the good things in the bill. It was a problem of articulation. I think Obama did o.k., but he was drowned out by the Teabaggers and the Corporate Media that continues to push the pro-Republican/Teabagger narrative. And you're right: Democrats, as a group, were so afraid to fight, afraid of losing the 2010 midterms. What I never understood is that they were too scared to fight for fear of losing but ended up losing anyway. Why not go down fighting?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. I have to disagree - at least if you are in the south. People more than hate it
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:13 AM
Feb 2012

they despise it here. They utter it like a dirty, filthy word. Yet, no one
understands a single thing about it. It's an overriding attitude. If I
pay, then everyone else should. If they can't afford it, they should
get a better job. They think Obamacare means everyone gets free
health insurance.

I do not understand why Obama has made zero attempts to explain
what is going to happen, in layman's terms. I can only guess it is
some kind of strategy I don't get.

I am hoping that after 2014, when their lives don't change, they will stop
and think, "What am I doing listening to the bullshit scare tactics of the
Republican Party,"

Part of the problem though is that HMOs are continuing to raise premiums
like there's no tomorrow. This people will associate with Obama.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Yep, a shiny object for the "Conservative" rubes.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:49 AM
Feb 2012

The Conserva-News has become so predictable, it's easy to exploit it.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. If this tips it so that Santorum runs Romney deep into the primary campaign or if by
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:41 PM
Feb 2012

some miracle takes him out and becomes the 'presumptive Obama landslide maker' then this contraceptive move will

go into history as one of the most devious and brilliant ploys in American politics.

Of course pundits will go on about how 'lucky' candidate Obama is running against the unelectable Santorum.

Mitt Romney has been pwned and is just begining to realize how he has been out manouvered by the White House.

If this doesn't work maybe the WH can gin up some 'prayer in the school' nonsense to take the Romney out.

And if that isn't funny enough Trump is sitting on the sideline saying "I don't get it".

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
27. I see you get it.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:22 AM
Feb 2012

This is cool. Slowly but surely, one piece at a time, the "issues environment" has been narrowed.

OBL now being dead, cuts off the "weak on defense" angle.

GWB did them in on the economy, and if the numbers keep improving, that issue is completely dead and gone.

OWS helped put emphasis on the failure of cutting taxes and deregulating the 1%.

So it all boils down to abortions, contraceptives, and gays. Rick Santorum is the correct candidate if those are their issues.

Watching TV of late, the ratings would seem quite GLBT friendly. Anti-abortion planks have never attracted more than 25 to 30%. Anti contraceptive planks can't really attract more than 10 to perhaps 20 percent, as nearly everyone uses them.

People will be going on about "luck". The Tao Te Ching states that when a leader does the job well, the people will say "we did this ourselves".

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. slowly and surely their area of conflict is shrinking
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:35 AM
Feb 2012

soon the only thing that they will be run on is

Creationism and Evolution.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
31. and perhaps a McCain redux
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:02 AM
Feb 2012

"bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"..... ala the Beach Boys...

However, even there, I think the people are pretty sick of republicans starting wars.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
9. Tired of all the strategerizing and triangulating ...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:42 PM
Feb 2012

Just take a stance, and stick with it, Mr. President.
Those who agree will support you - and continue to do so.
Those who do not, will not.

Enough 47 level quasi-dimensional campaign chess bullshit.
Show us what you REALLY believe and who you REALLY are.
(Unless you are showing us that you're not much more than a bad player of games.)

Thanks and have a nice day.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
10. It's not all that complicated.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

It may not have even been deliberate.

The administration simply went with an issue that put wind at Santorum's back. Would you not also prefer to see Santorum as the Republican nominee?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
13. Politics isn't quite that cut and dried, even if you feel it should be.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:01 PM
Feb 2012

Sometimes the strategy is seen as bullshit by those who fail to see anything past their own noses, but there are excellent reasons top-shelf political stretegists command huge fees, and are in demand.


And if you actually think Mr. Obama is a 'bad player of games', your analysis is, uh, not good.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
21. It seems women are mute on this issue
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:27 PM
Feb 2012

It seems that women are mute on this issue. They are letting the Catholic Bishops have all of the press.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
24. Women aren't mute. The Corporate Media is making this into a one-sided issue by
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:41 PM
Feb 2012

focusing ONLY on the Catholic Church view. Not framing this issue as a HEALTH issue has been the problem. Women don't just rely on contraception for birth control. There are a host of reasons for why women use contraceptives. The problem is that the entire debate was framed as a religious issue when it should've been messaged differently. I do blame Obama and the Democrats for this. Once again, they allowed the Republicans and the religious conservatives control the message.

tfrey1225

(34 posts)
26. The Democrats
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:47 PM
Feb 2012

constantly let the GOP frame debates. They've been doing it for years. The GOP is always more forceful in their (mostly) wrong opinions and the problem is the people eat it up. People love a "fighter" and Democrats are usually more cool and even tempered like Obama. I agree with you and I wish for once Obama would forcefully come out and state how things are and not back down.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
36. But it's not only that.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:46 AM
Feb 2012

I'm coming to the states in February and I would go on Rachel's show to say how my health is entirely dependent on BC. All women with PCOS are on BC to control their hormones.

tfrey1225

(34 posts)
22. If true
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:56 PM
Feb 2012

this is masterful politics. Though I don't really believe Obama has anything to fear from Romney, I'd much rather face Santorum. Although I am kind of disappointed Obama kind of backtracked on this issue and caved a bit. I know it will help him politically but I kind of wish he would have stuck to his guns. But the important thing is that no woman will go without vital contraceptive aid no matter their ability to afford it.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
25. See my response (Post #24). The president/Democrats should have framed the debate
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:43 PM
Feb 2012

differently...as a health issue rather than a reproductive rights issue.

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