2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy I知 Supporting Hillary Clinton, With Joy and Without Apologies
Watching people trash your daughter on social media isnt fun. It got worse when Hillary Clintons Twitter account retweeted her, and worse again when she tweeted about Planned Parenthoods Cecile Richards, a woman she admires, in the wake of the groups controversial decision to endorse Clinton. It turns out Richardss daughter works for Clinton as well, and that began a new round of insults to both our daughters. Either they were beneficiaries of our nepotism, or they somehow used their influence to corrupt their dimwit mothers into ignoring Sanderss obviously superior feminist qualifications. It is interesting to me that none of the ladiesnot Clinton, not me nor my daughter; not Richards nor her daughterare credited with competence or integrity when the Berniebot keyboard warriors break it all down.
Which brings me to another reason Ive felt compelled in the last week to come out publicly and forcefully for Clinton, which is Sanderss dismissing Planned Parenthoods endorsement (and that of NARAL Pro-Choice America) by labeling them part of the establishment. I appreciated Sanders supporter Kathy Geiers acknowledgment here in The Nation that her candidate once again came off as tone-deaf on an issue of gender. Yet Geier seconded Sanderss assertion that these two groups fighting for reproductive justice deserve to be termed establishmentand therefore unfavorably compared to the upstart, grassroots, and genuinely radical groups that back Sanders.
I just dont see it that way. I think there are few issues as radical as advancing the reproductive autonomy of women. And I think its hard to be truly establishment when dangerous men are shooting up your clinics, and the Republican Congress is persistently voting to strip you of your funding. Yes, Planned Parenthood and NARAL have worked hard to become respected political players in the last 30 years, because the women they represent need political clout, not just services. But Im old enough to remember when feminists were told that our issuescultural issues like abortion and contraceptionwere costing Democrats elections, so couldnt we pipe down for a little while? Now were the establishment?
A lot more at http://www.thenation.com/article/why-im-supporting-hillary-clinton-with-joy-and-without-apologies/
It's long read, but the author makes a lot of good points. I think it's worth your time.
cali
(114,904 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"I just dont see it that way. I think there are few issues as radical as advancing the reproductive autonomy of women. And I think its hard to be truly establishment when dangerous men are shooting up your clinics, and the Republican Congress is persistently voting to strip you of your funding. Yes, Planned Parenthood and NARAL have worked hard to become respected political players in the last 30 years, because the women they represent need political clout, not just services. But Im old enough to remember when feminists were told that our issuescultural issues like abortion and contraceptionwere costing Democrats elections, so couldnt we pipe down for a little while? Now were the establishment?"
Myself and a number of women I know are livid at Sanders and his supporters for their attacks on such a great organization.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The people with all the power, with the influence and money who support the democratic party right now will leave before they would support a candidate like Sanders.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But sorry, not and me. I just don't fully agree with your comment.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The rich and powerful do run away from the Democratic party when the Carter, Gore, and Kerry types are the candidates.
And now they are threatening us because the people want Bernie.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)No doubt about it. Gore won. He would have won more handily if he wouldn't have shunned Clinton, in my opinion. Other than that, I have no idea what your are interjecting here.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I'm shocked! Shocked!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)riversedge
(70,350 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Considering her likely bent in nominating federal judges, possibly worse. Definitely worse on many other issues.
But I don't think Clinton supporters need apologize.
dsc
(52,169 posts)worst justice ever and hasn't done shit for women.
frylock
(34,825 posts)dsc
(52,169 posts)she has said so on more than one occasion.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Even Bernie handlers are telling the swarm to lighten up.
As for the article, I agree that the unfounded and petty attacks are driving not just the author, but more and more voters to the reasonable and well balanced Hillary campaign.
fwiff
(233 posts)I'm a diehard feminist. I'm looking at a whole picture and a whole record.
Seriously, internet trolls drive you toward a candidate?
Sanders has 100% ratings from PP and NARAL. He's fought FOR feminist issues his whole career, not just when it looked good. Hell, he's even been an honorary woman! (Gloria Steinham).
Even if, for the sake of argument, I agree that Hillary is socially progressive, her policy position show she is fiscally REgressive, and that position is killing the middle and working class. Until that is addressed, all voices will be further marginalized.
Or, like most of these types of posts, they are privileged enough to be one issue voters.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I'm sorry these women have been given a hard time.
One point though, there are many, many Hillary-haters on the Internet who are Trump/Cruz etc supporters posting ugly stuff about Hillary non-stop. I would be hesitant to ascribe all negative Hillary stuff to Bernie supporters.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Lets just hope she never gets the chance.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Please be specific.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)How did the Iraq War that Hillary voted for and made speeches in support of "defend our country"?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Please be specific.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)How did the Iraq War "defend our country"?
Please be specific.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Do you see that as a bad thing?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I feel like some people blame Hillary Clinton more than George W. Bush. I think they are engaging in revisionist history in trying to give Hillary Clinton an outsize role. My ire has and will always be directed at President Bush.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)No one could possibly have withstood that intellectual assault from a man with encyclopaedic command of the facts and undisputed mastery of the English language.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That has nothing to do with this primary contest.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)was, let's see, 74 years ago.
And how exactly does that justify invading Afghanistan, or bombing anywhere in the middle east?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Was the Iraq War "Defending our country" ?
Would a no fly zone in Syria be "Defending our country" ?
I can't think of any military action she has not supported. As far as "Defending our country" is concerned, you may as well be supporting John McCain.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Hillary wants one. Is that "Defending our country"?
Was the Iraq war "Defending our country"?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Even you must now see that she is not qualified to be Commander In Chief. You just don't want to admit it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)FIFY
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I keep on forgetting.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Why do you keep forgetting that??
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)How are incredibly repressive in their own right, yet we support that regime.
hack89
(39,171 posts)that is why they were the target.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)and have no problem with her support of Clinton.
I just hope she wears a Nascar-like Badge on her suit when she's on TV giving her "opinions". I think all "pundits" should if they advocate for one candidate or another - and since Joan is constantly on TV - it should not go unnoticed. People deserve to know how opinions are formed.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Thanks for posting it. If I learned one thing in 2008 is that the Left can be as vile as the Right. Even worse, it can be just as sexist.
Therefore, I don't give a flying fig what their opinion is of the whole Clinton family and Hillary in particular.
Like Hillary has often said, it takes the hide of a rhinoceros to be in politics. Chin up, Hillary supporters. What counts is the end result and I have no doubt that she will prevail.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Note: Principles differ.
Go Bernie!!
Gothmog
(145,667 posts)mcar
(42,403 posts)Bernin4U
(812 posts)Believing that certainly makes it easy to lie to themselves about other things, such as the honesty and legitimacy of the PP endorsement.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Coates' wrote a follow up to his reparations piece for the sole purpose of responding to the attacks from -- not the right wing -- Sanders supporters and Planned Parenthood had to as well. Joan Walsh is just adding her name to a long list.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Gothmog
(145,667 posts)My middle child/daughter was very moved by this article and called me today at work. This is one of her best articles
Number23
(24,544 posts)As though they haven't already a thousand other times!
Gothmog
(145,667 posts)I really loved it
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I could have written a much better and damning question, based on the ability of youth the more easily tease out flip flopping and where candidates really stand, including corporate cash.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet that a few very good such questions were given to CNN. Strangely, they passed on them and chose a piss poor question to be asked.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)"and we won't be erased" got that damn right.
Go Hillary!
elias49
(4,259 posts)and that's of prime importance.
That's not enough reason for me.
And Bernie's a Jew. So what? I wouldn't vote for him because he's a Jew.
I'll vote for him for his message.
That, indeed, is what Clinton lacks. A clear message. Not 100 pounds of position papers she has accumulated over the past decades. Whats the message for 2016?