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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:49 PM Jan 2016

Why I知 Supporting Hillary Clinton, With Joy and Without Apologies

When I’ve disclosed that my daughter works for Clinton—in The Nation, on MSNBC, and on social media—we’ve both come in for trolling so vile it’s made me not merely defensive of her. It’s forced me to recognize how little society respects the passion of the many young women—and men—who are putting their souls into electing the first female president. It’s one thing to note that Sanders is winning among millennials; that’s true. It’s another to impugn the competence and dignity of the literally millions of millennials who support Clinton. Social media trolls have had several fascinating and stunningly sexist reactions to the news of my daughter’s position. Obviously, she can’t be competent; I must have gotten her the job (in fact, she got it through a high school friend who worked for Clinton and recommended her.) Obviously, she can’t think for herself; I must have indoctrinated her to support Clinton over Sanders. Or the flip side: Obviously, I have no integrity, and I only support Clinton over Sanders because my daughter is on her payroll.

Watching people trash your daughter on social media isn’t fun. It got worse when Hillary Clinton’s Twitter account retweeted her, and worse again when she tweeted about Planned Parenthood’s Cecile Richards, a woman she admires, in the wake of the group’s controversial decision to endorse Clinton. It turns out Richards’s daughter works for Clinton as well, and that began a new round of insults to both our daughters. Either they were beneficiaries of our nepotism, or they somehow used their influence to corrupt their dimwit mothers into ignoring Sanders’s obviously superior feminist qualifications. It is interesting to me that none of the ladies—not Clinton, not me nor my daughter; not Richards nor her daughter—are credited with competence or integrity when the Berniebot keyboard warriors break it all down.

Which brings me to another reason I’ve felt compelled in the last week to come out publicly and forcefully for Clinton, which is Sanders’s dismissing Planned Parenthood’s endorsement (and that of NARAL Pro-Choice America) by labeling them part of the “establishment.” I appreciated Sanders supporter Kathy Geier’s acknowledgment here in The Nation that her candidate once again came off as tone-deaf on an issue of gender. Yet Geier seconded Sanders’s assertion that these two groups fighting for reproductive justice deserve to be termed “establishment”—and therefore unfavorably compared to the upstart, grassroots, and genuinely radical groups that back Sanders.

 I just don’t see it that way. I think there are few issues as radical as advancing the reproductive autonomy of women. And I think it’s hard to be truly establishment when dangerous men are shooting up your clinics, and the Republican Congress is persistently voting to strip you of your funding. Yes, Planned Parenthood and NARAL have worked hard to become respected political players in the last 30 years, because the women they represent need political clout, not just services. But I’m old enough to remember when feminists were told that our issues—“cultural” issues like abortion and contraception—were costing Democrats elections, so couldn’t we pipe down for a little while? Now we’re the establishment?


A lot more at http://www.thenation.com/article/why-im-supporting-hillary-clinton-with-joy-and-without-apologies/

It's long read, but the author makes a lot of good points. I think it's worth your time.
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Why I知 Supporting Hillary Clinton, With Joy and Without Apologies (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 OP
Sorry, I think she is myopic as Hell. cali Jan 2016 #1
+1. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #6
Thank you for sharing. Great read. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #2
Et tu? RobertEarl Jan 2016 #9
OK. Happy Wednesday RobertEarl. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #11
It's history RobertEarl Jan 2016 #13
No clue what you are talking about. Gore and Kerry recieved a lot of support. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #15
You're supporting Hillary? MissDeeds Jan 2016 #3
Joan Walsh, the author is supporting Hillary Clinton. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #5
so, you are a headline reader only riversedge Jan 2016 #36
I'm not persuaded that Clinton would be any better for PP or NARAL issues than would Sanders. Orsino Jan 2016 #4
yeah ruth bader ginsburg is a horror story dsc Jan 2016 #44
I must have been out sick the day Hillary Clinton nominated Justice Ginsberg. frylock Jan 2016 #45
that is her bent of judge dsc Jan 2016 #46
I hope that is what we could expect. n/t Orsino Jan 2016 #60
The Bernie attackers and swarmers...talk about tone deaf Sheepshank Jan 2016 #7
So, Joan is a one issue voter who hates internet trolls fwiff Jan 2016 #8
I support Bernie, but not all actions by people who say they support him Dems to Win Jan 2016 #10
K&R DesertRat Jan 2016 #12
Will you apologize after she gets us into our next unnecessary war? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #14
I won't apologize for the commander in chief defending our country. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #18
How did the Iraq War "defend our country"? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #19
We were attacked at Pearl Harbor and I think our involvement in World War II was justified. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #21
Reading is fundamental, I'll type slower this time so you can understand Fumesucker Jan 2016 #23
Are you questioning my mental capacity? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #27
How did the Iraq War "defend our country"? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #30
I was against the Iraq War. This is one of the main reasons why I supported Howard Dean in 2004. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #32
That wasn't the question, I am now typing v e r y s l o w l y Fumesucker Jan 2016 #34
I never said the Iraq war defended our country. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #35
Your candidate supported the Iraq War gave speeches to promote it and voted for it Fumesucker Jan 2016 #37
I put the blame squarely on George W. Bush. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #38
Indeed, the poor naive young woman from flyover country was fooled by the vast intellect of Dubya Fumesucker Jan 2016 #39
Did you vote for John Kerry over George W. Bush in the 2004 election? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #40
Distract much? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #41
I love an elbow from the third turnbuckle. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #56
I'm not supporting George W. Bush in the 2016 Democratic Primaries, Either. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #48
I almost hate to point this out, but the attack on Pearl Harbor SheilaT Jan 2016 #53
Define "Defending our country". Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #20
We were attack on 9/11, I think the Afghan War was justified. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #22
Which is why I didn't ask about the Afghan war. How about the no fly zone in Syria? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #24
I refuse to be pigeonholed. nice try. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #29
Your inability to back up your statement is very telling. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #33
I'm incapable of supporting my statement. frylock Jan 2016 #47
How many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan? SheilaT Jan 2016 #54
That was where the organization that planned and funded 911 was hack89 Jan 2016 #58
And the majority of them were Saudis. SheilaT Jan 2016 #62
But Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan hack89 Jan 2016 #63
I like Joan Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #16
Good article. Beacool Jan 2016 #17
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #25
Great post Gothmog Jan 2016 #26
K&R mcar Jan 2016 #28
Right. "...thoroughly progressive if not a socialist" Bernin4U Jan 2016 #31
These people's incessant attacks have made them the laughing stock of the Internet Number23 Jan 2016 #42
Cool story, bro. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #50
I love Joan Walsh and this article is one of her bests Gothmog Jan 2016 #43
Agree completely! And I love the folks rushing in to prove her point Number23 Jan 2016 #51
This article is that good Gothmog Jan 2016 #57
It's not "condescenscion" to ask where's the enthusiasm, when the enthusiasm isn't actually there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #49
To be fair to her, that question was very poorly posed. And the kid was a bit of a dick about it JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #52
Good read! Iliyah Jan 2016 #55
My takeaway from your post: you're voting for a woman elias49 Jan 2016 #59
#WeWontBeErased - Anti-Clinton Trolls Are Firing Up Women and Handing Hillary the Nomination Alfresco Jan 2016 #61
Have you or someone made that link into an OP? Number23 Jan 2016 #64
I haven't. Alfresco Jan 2016 #65
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Thank you for sharing. Great read.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jan 2016

"I just don’t see it that way. I think there are few issues as radical as advancing the reproductive autonomy of women. And I think it’s hard to be truly establishment when dangerous men are shooting up your clinics, and the Republican Congress is persistently voting to strip you of your funding. Yes, Planned Parenthood and NARAL have worked hard to become respected political players in the last 30 years, because the women they represent need political clout, not just services. But I’m old enough to remember when feminists were told that our issues—“cultural” issues like abortion and contraception—were costing Democrats elections, so couldn’t we pipe down for a little while? Now we’re the establishment?"

Myself and a number of women I know are livid at Sanders and his supporters for their attacks on such a great organization.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Et tu?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016

The people with all the power, with the influence and money who support the democratic party right now will leave before they would support a candidate like Sanders.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. OK. Happy Wednesday RobertEarl.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016


But sorry, not and me. I just don't fully agree with your comment.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
13. It's history
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

The rich and powerful do run away from the Democratic party when the Carter, Gore, and Kerry types are the candidates.

And now they are threatening us because the people want Bernie.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. No clue what you are talking about. Gore and Kerry recieved a lot of support.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jan 2016

No doubt about it. Gore won. He would have won more handily if he wouldn't have shunned Clinton, in my opinion. Other than that, I have no idea what your are interjecting here.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
4. I'm not persuaded that Clinton would be any better for PP or NARAL issues than would Sanders.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

Considering her likely bent in nominating federal judges, possibly worse. Definitely worse on many other issues.

But I don't think Clinton supporters need apologize.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
44. yeah ruth bader ginsburg is a horror story
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jan 2016

worst justice ever and hasn't done shit for women.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
7. The Bernie attackers and swarmers...talk about tone deaf
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jan 2016

Even Bernie handlers are telling the swarm to lighten up.

As for the article, I agree that the unfounded and petty attacks are driving not just the author, but more and more voters to the reasonable and well balanced Hillary campaign.

fwiff

(233 posts)
8. So, Joan is a one issue voter who hates internet trolls
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jan 2016

I'm a diehard feminist. I'm looking at a whole picture and a whole record.


Seriously, internet trolls drive you toward a candidate?

Sanders has 100% ratings from PP and NARAL. He's fought FOR feminist issues his whole career, not just when it looked good. Hell, he's even been an honorary woman! (Gloria Steinham).

Even if, for the sake of argument, I agree that Hillary is socially progressive, her policy position show she is fiscally REgressive, and that position is killing the middle and working class. Until that is addressed, all voices will be further marginalized.


Or, like most of these types of posts, they are privileged enough to be one issue voters.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
10. I support Bernie, but not all actions by people who say they support him
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sorry these women have been given a hard time.

One point though, there are many, many Hillary-haters on the Internet who are Trump/Cruz etc supporters posting ugly stuff about Hillary non-stop. I would be hesitant to ascribe all negative Hillary stuff to Bernie supporters.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. Will you apologize after she gets us into our next unnecessary war?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Lets just hope she never gets the chance.



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
23. Reading is fundamental, I'll type slower this time so you can understand
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jan 2016

How did the Iraq War that Hillary voted for and made speeches in support of "defend our country"?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. That wasn't the question, I am now typing v e r y s l o w l y
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

How did the Iraq War "defend our country"?

Please be specific.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
37. Your candidate supported the Iraq War gave speeches to promote it and voted for it
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

Do you see that as a bad thing?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
38. I put the blame squarely on George W. Bush.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

I feel like some people blame Hillary Clinton more than George W. Bush. I think they are engaging in revisionist history in trying to give Hillary Clinton an outsize role. My ire has and will always be directed at President Bush.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
39. Indeed, the poor naive young woman from flyover country was fooled by the vast intellect of Dubya
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

No one could possibly have withstood that intellectual assault from a man with encyclopaedic command of the facts and undisputed mastery of the English language.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
53. I almost hate to point this out, but the attack on Pearl Harbor
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

was, let's see, 74 years ago.

And how exactly does that justify invading Afghanistan, or bombing anywhere in the middle east?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
20. Define "Defending our country".
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jan 2016

Was the Iraq War "Defending our country" ?

Would a no fly zone in Syria be "Defending our country" ?


I can't think of any military action she has not supported. As far as "Defending our country" is concerned, you may as well be supporting John McCain.




 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. Which is why I didn't ask about the Afghan war. How about the no fly zone in Syria?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary wants one. Is that "Defending our country"?

Was the Iraq war "Defending our country"?





 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
33. Your inability to back up your statement is very telling.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

Even you must now see that she is not qualified to be Commander In Chief. You just don't want to admit it.


hack89

(39,171 posts)
58. That was where the organization that planned and funded 911 was
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jan 2016

Why do you keep forgetting that??

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
62. And the majority of them were Saudis.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

How are incredibly repressive in their own right, yet we support that regime.

Nanjeanne

(5,003 posts)
16. I like Joan
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

and have no problem with her support of Clinton.

I just hope she wears a Nascar-like Badge on her suit when she's on TV giving her "opinions". I think all "pundits" should if they advocate for one candidate or another - and since Joan is constantly on TV - it should not go unnoticed. People deserve to know how opinions are formed.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
17. Good article.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for posting it. If I learned one thing in 2008 is that the Left can be as vile as the Right. Even worse, it can be just as sexist.

Therefore, I don't give a flying fig what their opinion is of the whole Clinton family and Hillary in particular.

Like Hillary has often said, it takes the hide of a rhinoceros to be in politics. Chin up, Hillary supporters. What counts is the end result and I have no doubt that she will prevail.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
25. Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

Note: Principles differ.

Go Bernie!!

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
31. Right. "...thoroughly progressive if not a socialist"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

Believing that certainly makes it easy to lie to themselves about other things, such as the honesty and legitimacy of the PP endorsement.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
42. These people's incessant attacks have made them the laughing stock of the Internet
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

Coates' wrote a follow up to his reparations piece for the sole purpose of responding to the attacks from -- not the right wing -- Sanders supporters and Planned Parenthood had to as well. Joan Walsh is just adding her name to a long list.

Gothmog

(145,667 posts)
43. I love Joan Walsh and this article is one of her bests
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

My middle child/daughter was very moved by this article and called me today at work. This is one of her best articles

Number23

(24,544 posts)
51. Agree completely! And I love the folks rushing in to prove her point
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jan 2016

As though they haven't already a thousand other times!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
52. To be fair to her, that question was very poorly posed. And the kid was a bit of a dick about it
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jan 2016

I could have written a much better and damning question, based on the ability of youth the more easily tease out flip flopping and where candidates really stand, including corporate cash.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that a few very good such questions were given to CNN. Strangely, they passed on them and chose a piss poor question to be asked.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
59. My takeaway from your post: you're voting for a woman
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

and that's of prime importance.
That's not enough reason for me.
And Bernie's a Jew. So what? I wouldn't vote for him because he's a Jew.
I'll vote for him for his message.

That, indeed, is what Clinton lacks. A clear message. Not 100 pounds of position papers she has accumulated over the past decades. Whats the message for 2016?

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