2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIowa Youth straw poll resulsts from Iowa secretary of state
https://twitter.com/IowaSOSBernie-53% Clinton 30% O'Malley 10%
GOP results-Trump 25% Rubio-18% Carson-18% Cruz-15%
This is youth of iowa voting who they like in Youth straw poll.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)happy about the dem results, though
merrily
(45,251 posts)Rubio?
Jeb?
Kasich?
All make me want to upchuck, then run away. Yet I think those may be the best bets in the field. It's horrifying.
morningglory
(2,336 posts)I like it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I can put it back the other way, if you like.
Using an "h" instead of a "j" also occurred to me.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)shark jumping is so last century.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)makes a meme with T-Rump getting it on with a shark.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)lol T-Rump tells all the sharks he will build that wall!!!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)please be jeb and christie........
sad that this is their best. at least mittens was sane. sure,he was a predatory scumbag capitalist who did't give a shit about the rest of us, but he was sane, which is more than most of these
merrily
(45,251 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)J/K, but this crop of Republicans do make me miss Romney's innocence. Yes, of course he is an idiot. He is out of touch. He is robotic. He is very willing to let people die so he can make a buck. But, he is so out of touch he has an air of innocence like "I don't understand why you all are so mad at me I was just looking out for the investor class, it's not my fault people lost their jobs and their homes and some people ended up homeless."
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)It will be between Rubio and Trump.
Rubio is now the darling of the Kochs. They're putting all of their money on Rubio.
I think they knew that Rubio wouldn't win Iowa. Iowa Republicans always pick a nut job in their caucuses. It's what they do. Rick Santorum won the last Iowa caucuses. Huckabee before that. There's enough evangelical extremists in Iowa, and they vote in high numbers, to produce some pretty horrifying results on the Republican side.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but i hope its trump over rubio. trump is a scumbag, but rubio is an OWNED scumbag.
the establishment is going to lose this cycle imo
interesting about iowa politics, though. weird wild stuff.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)The local rag The Columbus Disparch is crying foul because someone is running negative ads against their pick for just another terrible OH president
merrily
(45,251 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)this suggests both rubio and carson may do better than polls In Iowa suggest.
big thing is this says trump will win Iowa on monday and cruz could actully finish 4th.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but rubio and carson are not really an improvement, either....
Robbins
(5,066 posts)the establishment pushes him as alternate to trump.they know Carson is an idiot and not in a w way of fooling voters.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)gopCorp is getting ready to shove wonder boy down everyones throats....
Robbins
(5,066 posts)but rubio actully has to win some primarys.problem is even if others start dropping out trump is second choice of some supporting other candiates.Now if rubio could finish second and only 7 points behind trump as youth straw poll says that could help rubio rise some In NH.still if trump polls off a win in both iowa and NH they are probally stuck with trump.
Rubio who comes off as more postive would be tougher republican to beat in november.I think Bernie can do it but it could be closer race than it would be againstt rump or cruz.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if only to make things harder for wonderboy
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)but I've heard from too many Iowans, including our own CoffeCat, who say that too many of the Bernie supporters are going under the radar and are not being counted in these polls. I guess we'll all know on Monday.
I think this is good news for bernie.this was conducted between kindergarden and grade 12.kids may be voting this way because of how their parents are speaking.this suggests bernie could have higher support than any iowa poll suggests.
If your O'Malley supporter this also says his support may be a bit higher than polls suggest
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)will come out higher than the predictions. would not be surprisd to see om second.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Not only are the pollsters not reaching cell phone users - who in this day and age answers their phone if they do not recognize the phone number?
I can't wrap my head around this & can't believe polls.
But I can believe the size of crowds.
I can believe that Bernie has cross-over appeal. When he was in Az I stood next to a middle-aged couple that were R's and were standing in a crowd of 10K people rooting for Bernie.
As they say, the only poll that matters is the one on election day. And personally I cannot wait to see Rachel, Tweety, Claire McCaskill and the rest eat their words. Nom nom nom.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)once a week for 6 weeks (when the weather was warm), registering voters in the process, of course, and we re-registered several who were formerly Republicans to either Democrats or Decline to State (in California you can vote for Bernie if you're a Decline to State). I've also had SO many tell me they've never voted and/or have never been involved in a political campaign come out and table with us and phone bank with us and honk-and-wave with us. If this were Iowa, none of these people would be counted as "likely caucus goers."
TheBlackAdder
(28,230 posts).
Too many calls about my MIcrosoft Windows system throwing errors by someone in India.
Too many robo calls. If it's not a human voice who says "Hi!" I don't enable the mic on the phone.
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elleng
(131,202 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)That some entity is trying to get bills through banning calls to cell for purposes of polling. Just one more trick used to undermine youth numbers
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)how come I'm only seeing that when they're saying Bernie's on top of the pile?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It starts at 7 and over at 2? Jobs and college the next day? Day off perhaps?
longship
(40,416 posts)So any polls in IA must be taken with a grain or two of salt.
We'll know when the results are in.