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BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:50 AM Jan 2016

THE GUARDIAN: Meet the new Bernie Sanders: he's now a real candidate, against Clinton's robot

Oh, yeah, the still-a-socialist candidate also lectured tirelessly about his hard-left agenda in first-in-the-nation flyover country. “We will raise taxes,” Sanders declared. “Yes we will.”

But meet the new Bernie Sanders: still lecturing, only now with a human course correction that could beat an increasingly robotic and vulnerable Hillary Clinton with less than a week to go before people actually – finally – start voting for a new American president.

This Bernie can ride the energy of a youthful, thousands-strong rally with the best of ’em. But this Bernie doesn’t need the kids anymore. He’s got himself a brand new bag of trail-earned tricks, and it apparently involves wearing his Brooklyn heart right there on his rumpled, oversize jacket sleeve.

Of course, he had a one-liner for that one, too: “My wife told me to button my coat, but I think I’m too fat, so ...”
There was the softer, suddenly more endearing Old Man Sanders, and the sharp, energetic, Benghazi-proof Clinton. But with the polls and the momentum in both Iowa and New Hampshire on his side, this was a winning dichotomy for Sanders, who presented a side of himself that we haven’t really seen before: intimate, surprising, dynamic and, yes, a real boy!

SOURCE (GREAT ARTICLE): http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2016/jan/26/bernie-sanders-candidate-clinton-poll-debate

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THE GUARDIAN: Meet the new Bernie Sanders: he's now a real candidate, against Clinton's robot (Original Post) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 OP
But but but the guardian is a right wing rag...or something. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
LOL! What's more robotic than Sanders regurgitating the same "economic inequality" spiel? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #2
You all keep saying this & it just isn't true. Its like you're channeling rethugs with this tactic. RiverLover Jan 2016 #4
Nice GOP talking point there. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #10
YES THEY ARE. It was Bernie who finally made me realize what a Yuuuge influence pangaia Jan 2016 #17
Watching Bernie causes that kind of viseral reaction from you? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #5
What's more robotic... Hmmmm, "Planned Spontaneity", for one? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #6
+100! n/t Melissa G Jan 2016 #25
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #7
Because fuck all the people who are struggling n/t eridani Jan 2016 #8
Yes,he's been consistently fighting inequality for 50 years. cali Jan 2016 #9
Thank you!! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #11
You need to do more research as that is not quite always the case. pangaia Jan 2016 #15
Spoken like a six figure income that thinks it's part of the 1%. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #20
Sanders it the least "robotic" politician I've ever seen. ladjf Jan 2016 #26
You already know his stump speech from 30 hrs ago that makes him very robotic in itself FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #27
This really makes me sorry I missed watching it! It's a GREAT ARTICLE for real. RiverLover Jan 2016 #3
The Guardian piece is very good. PWPippin Jan 2016 #12
"Robotic" is an apt description. Duval Jan 2016 #13
Great sigline you have. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #14
thanks Betty (my sister is named Betty too) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #23
Betty is just my second persona, actually. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #24
I thought one of the most poignant parts of the debate was toward the end when they asked Bernie Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #16
my pleasure Unc! BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #18
rhanks WillyT BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #21
He got the Annie Oakley re Clinton's guns in this time! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #19

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. But but but the guardian is a right wing rag...or something.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jan 2016

Great read!

When a town-hall participant asked Sanders a question about how his parents would feel about his campaign’s success, he was visibly – even honestly – moved. He said they never would have believed it. This was the foundational story that the second-generation Cubans Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio still haven’t been able to muster, that Clinton couldn’t dream of when her origin story is – at this point in the Iowa hive-mind – based out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

For her part, Clinton came off as little more than condescending. “When I worked on healthcare back in ’93 and ’94, and I don’t know if you were born then, I can’t quite tell,” she charged at one questioner. “But, if you’d been around and had been able to pay attention, I was trying to get us to universal healthcare coverage, working with my husband.”

So, yeah, there was that.

Another time, when Clinton was asked to address her use of private email at the State Department, her answer seemed to amount to, well, um, you see: I did nothing wrong! Asked about her vote for the Iraq war, she wound her way down a long rabbit hole that ended somehow with a discussion of ... internet freedom?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
2. LOL! What's more robotic than Sanders regurgitating the same "economic inequality" spiel?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jan 2016

Same solution for every problem. And he's been doing that one-trick pony act for 50 freaking years.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. You all keep saying this & it just isn't true. Its like you're channeling rethugs with this tactic.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jan 2016

Take the environment for one example. He's got one of the top records in congress as a champion for our environment. What the hell does that have to do with income inequality?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
10. Nice GOP talking point there.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jan 2016

That is because they ARE related.
If you don't see that, you aren't looking deep or hard enough.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. YES THEY ARE. It was Bernie who finally made me realize what a Yuuuge influence
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

economic inequality actually has on everything. EVERYTHING.

I mean, sure, I knew it, but it was like I was looking through cataracts.

Bernie did eye surgery and implanted new lenses !!!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Watching Bernie causes that kind of viseral reaction from you?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jan 2016

Wow.

That says a lot about someone and it's not Bernie.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. Yes,he's been consistently fighting inequality for 50 years.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jan 2016

He earned his elected office, unlike dear Hillary.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. You need to do more research as that is not quite always the case.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jan 2016

BUT, the reason he DOES keep repeating the "economic inequality" spiel is because, in many ways that IS the biggest issue and the cause of much of everything else.
Because most Americans have NO VOICE in their government.

LOL!!!

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
26. Sanders it the least "robotic" politician I've ever seen.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

He repeats and often refines his major issue over and over as do all political candidates. He is passionately trying to focus on the main issue in order to get support from as many people as possible. He is running for office. He isn't an entertainer.



FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
27. You already know his stump speech from 30 hrs ago that makes him very robotic in itself
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

His one trick pony for 30 years hasn't accomplished much.
At least she keeps on the changing times with accurate issues
When he loses Iowa perhaps his strategy will Change some what

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
3. This really makes me sorry I missed watching it! It's a GREAT ARTICLE for real.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jan 2016

I hope lots of people give the Guardian some love & read it. They'll get some love back.



PWPippin

(213 posts)
12. The Guardian piece is very good.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jan 2016

The comments are even better, especially considering they come from Guardian readers many of whom, I presume, come from the UK and provide a different perspective.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
13. "Robotic" is an apt description.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jan 2016

The differences could not have been more stark. Clinton used the "I" word too often, as usual, while Bernie came across as someone who cares about others, specifically the 99%. Bernie won hands down, IMO.

Uncle Joe

(58,445 posts)
16. I thought one of the most poignant parts of the debate was toward the end when they asked Bernie
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jan 2016

if his parents would've believed him running for President and how he responded.



When a town-hall participant asked Sanders a question about how his parents would feel about his campaign’s success, he was visibly – even honestly – moved. He said they never would have believed it. This was the foundational story that the second-generation Cubans Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio still haven’t been able to muster, that Clinton couldn’t dream of when her origin story is – at this point in the Iowa hive-mind – based out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.



Thanks for the thread, BigBearJohn.
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