2016 Postmortem
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(11,945 posts)Thanks, BigBearJohn.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)draa
(975 posts)Clinton really doesn't have a vision. Not the type you'd expect to see from someone running for President. Carry on the same system that destroyed so many just 8 years ago is NOT a winning message.
Without some sort of consistent message, one that she can repeat and stay on as a base for her candidacy, she probably won't win the election because Bernie is always on point. Income inequality and the corrupt system which protects it. That's his message and he repeats it every time there's an opening. It also resonates with voters in all political parties and that will be hard to beat.
Thanks John.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)without offending those who enrich my campaign and my family or Republicans and Indies, because I want to be the first woman President. BTW, have I mentioned that I really, really want to be the first woman President?"
draa
(975 posts)She's never had a strong commitment to any one issue but normally leading into the primaries you have a viable message and you hone it for the general. Obama's "Hope" comes to mind and by the time you get to the general election it's automatic.
Hell, a decent politician would fake it even if they didn't believe it or intend to follow through. They do it all the time (see "Hope" again). Clinton though just doesn't fucking care. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen in an election and against Bernie it's political suicide.
merrily
(45,251 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)she really really wants to be the first Woman President and will do whatever it takes to get there. Sorry Hillary but you ain't going to make it. Yes America is Ready for a Woman President but you lady are not the person who it will be. I know it must hurt but this time you set you sights way too high of a goal that is not going to happen.
I want Change and a lot of it and thats why I'm 110% for Bernie Sanders. Not O'Malley or the donald but Bernie Sanders. Damn sure not Hillary, too dirty for me. I'm talking 'dirty money, dirty politics,' not personal hygiene here in case anyone wants to make something of what I just typed.
You nailed it.
gordyfl
(598 posts)I liked the part where Bernie answered the question on gun control. I thought the best part came was at the end when CNN asked the woman who asked the question if she was satisfied with Bernie's answer. She seemed very pleased.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I've always liked the brutally frank and accurate TYT take on things; it's almost like Tom Tomorrow's 'This Modern World' put to live video.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)I'm just wondering if voters in Iowa see it the same way too? My gut is telling me they may be smarter than we realize.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Hillary would do wonderfully at keeping the Titanic on course and on time.
Paka
(2,760 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)However, without a vision of where to go, what do they have to manage?
Hillary is trapped. She can not distance herself from the Obama legacy which includes Goldman Sacks, Monsanto, and other inappropriate people put in positions and cabinets where they did more harm than good or TPP or ACA where single payer was never on the table, etc.
We got burned on Obama's claim to bring change (and now realize that his record should have informed us that he was simply another puppet of the .001% and Wall Street). We will not be fooled again!