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Why Bernie Sanders Beat Hillary Clinton In This Debate - The Young Turks (Original Post) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 OP
Nice analysis. senz Jan 2016 #1
my pleasure, indeed! BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #2
Cenk is correct in his assessment I believe. draa Jan 2016 #3
Go Bernie! We needs a LEADER -- not an administrator. BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #4
Her vision is: "Let me try to sound as much like Sanders and Warren as I can, but merrily Jan 2016 #5
Her actions seem to imply that she didn't think she'd have to work for it. draa Jan 2016 #6
so true BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #8
Geez. Whadda grouch! Let her "evolve" in peace, whydoncha? merrily Jan 2016 #9
The only thing that Hillary brings to the table is madokie Jan 2016 #13
+1 Paka Jan 2016 #16
A Very Frank Analysis gordyfl Jan 2016 #7
Thanks for posting. So Interesting to watch Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #10
draa, I think you may be right on Hillary's lack of vision. Duckfan Jan 2016 #11
Very competent, indeed Geronimoe Jan 2016 #12
+1! tecelote Jan 2016 #15
Love that comment. Paka Jan 2016 #17
You can hire competent, even extraordinary managers emsimon33 Jan 2016 #14
Kicked and recommended! Well done, TYT! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #18
I want to put a +1 for all these posts. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #19

draa

(975 posts)
3. Cenk is correct in his assessment I believe.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:58 AM
Jan 2016

Clinton really doesn't have a vision. Not the type you'd expect to see from someone running for President. Carry on the same system that destroyed so many just 8 years ago is NOT a winning message.

Without some sort of consistent message, one that she can repeat and stay on as a base for her candidacy, she probably won't win the election because Bernie is always on point. Income inequality and the corrupt system which protects it. That's his message and he repeats it every time there's an opening. It also resonates with voters in all political parties and that will be hard to beat.

Thanks John.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Her vision is: "Let me try to sound as much like Sanders and Warren as I can, but
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:10 AM
Jan 2016

without offending those who enrich my campaign and my family or Republicans and Indies, because I want to be the first woman President. BTW, have I mentioned that I really, really want to be the first woman President?"

draa

(975 posts)
6. Her actions seem to imply that she didn't think she'd have to work for it.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:19 AM
Jan 2016

She's never had a strong commitment to any one issue but normally leading into the primaries you have a viable message and you hone it for the general. Obama's "Hope" comes to mind and by the time you get to the general election it's automatic.

Hell, a decent politician would fake it even if they didn't believe it or intend to follow through. They do it all the time (see "Hope" again). Clinton though just doesn't fucking care. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen in an election and against Bernie it's political suicide.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. The only thing that Hillary brings to the table is
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:45 AM
Jan 2016

she really really wants to be the first Woman President and will do whatever it takes to get there. Sorry Hillary but you ain't going to make it. Yes America is Ready for a Woman President but you lady are not the person who it will be. I know it must hurt but this time you set you sights way too high of a goal that is not going to happen.

I want Change and a lot of it and thats why I'm 110% for Bernie Sanders. Not O'Malley or the donald but Bernie Sanders. Damn sure not Hillary, too dirty for me. I'm talking 'dirty money, dirty politics,' not personal hygiene here in case anyone wants to make something of what I just typed.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
7. A Very Frank Analysis
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:20 AM
Jan 2016

I liked the part where Bernie answered the question on gun control. I thought the best part came was at the end when CNN asked the woman who asked the question if she was satisfied with Bernie's answer. She seemed very pleased.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
10. Thanks for posting. So Interesting to watch
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:29 AM
Jan 2016

I've always liked the brutally frank and accurate TYT take on things; it's almost like Tom Tomorrow's 'This Modern World' put to live video.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
11. draa, I think you may be right on Hillary's lack of vision.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:36 AM
Jan 2016

I'm just wondering if voters in Iowa see it the same way too? My gut is telling me they may be smarter than we realize.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
14. You can hire competent, even extraordinary managers
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:45 AM
Jan 2016

However, without a vision of where to go, what do they have to manage?

Hillary is trapped. She can not distance herself from the Obama legacy which includes Goldman Sacks, Monsanto, and other inappropriate people put in positions and cabinets where they did more harm than good or TPP or ACA where single payer was never on the table, etc.

We got burned on Obama's claim to bring change (and now realize that his record should have informed us that he was simply another puppet of the .001% and Wall Street). We will not be fooled again!

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