Whether you agree with them or not, the Clintons are very popular with black voters, so if you want

[Empowerer]

black voters to switch their support from Hillary Clinton to your candidate, constantly trashing her at every opportunity, calling her ugly and childish names (such as "Her Royal Highness," "Shillery," "neocon," "corporatist," and worse), and telling them that you just can't understand how they could possibly support her over Sanders (translation: "You're ignorant or naive&quot , is not an effective outreach tool. In fact, it is likely to have - and seems to be having - just the opposite effect, which explains why Sanders is not getting much traction in the black community.

In other words, black folks aren't blind or stupid. When you go after Hillary Clinton with such gleeful hatred, we ... can... seeeee... you - and it's not a pretty sight.

[cali]

1. Hillary and masses of her followers who trashed the hell

out of Obama in 2007 and 2008 aren't good role models?

[Empowerer]

7. Your post is exactly what I'm talking about

You think that such a comment gets you ANYWHERE with black voters? Do you think that it will in any way encourage black voters who like Hillary Clinton and are leaning toward her in the primaries to switch to Bernie Sanders? Why would anyone who likes Hillary Clinton want to be associated with a campaign supported by people with attitudes like yours?

[cali]

22. Oh, I see. Don't criticize Hillary.

Don't bring up facts about her past.

Nonsense. And minority voters are like all other voters in that they make their own decisions. I don't view minority voters as people so stupid that they'll decide who to vote for based on whether people are critical of Hillary.

[Empowerer]

31. Exhibit 7,179 - Diversion

Claim the OP said something it didn't say . . .

[AtomicKitten]

46. Do you consider yourself a spokesperson for black voters?

[roguevalley]

75. I really would hate someone speaking for my group. I think black voters will

vote for their best interests like anyone and anyone making HRC cry or something isn't going to do a thing about it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. It was fact that the Clinton campaign treated Obama poorly

I was very disappointed in the way Obama was treated.

[hrmjustin]

2. The glee in which some of his supporters trash her here reminds me

of how the right wing trashes her.

[cali]

6. There's no glee. Anger, yes. A sense of betrayal? Yep.

A lack of trust? Absolutely

[hrmjustin]

8. Glee!

[Armstead]

15. More bullshit....It's a whole lot easier to just go with the frointrunner

You have no fucking clue how some people think and feel.

How many people were thrilled when Bill Clinton was elected, but became frustrated and angry as he sold out workers, supported GOP deregulation and privatization and generally supported Big Business over the people.

You think it was FUN to feel that way?

You think it a "gleeful" experience to not be able to support a front-runner because you don't trust her.

Yeah it's real fun to not be able to wholehertedly embrace the agenda of the party and elite leadership that supposedly is the liberal alternative to the GOP.

[hrmjustin]

16. As i said, Glee.

[cali]

26. Bullshit. Making crap up to fit your narrative

[hrmjustin]

29. No I'm telling it how I see it.

[redstateblues]

36. And you nailed it. Glee it is.

They love to marinate in their hatred.

[hrmjustin]

40. And hate being cslled on it.

The truth hurts.

[enid602]

78. relish

Berniebators.

[Fawke Em]

39. Trust me, if she's the nominee, glee will be one of the furthest emotions

in my mind.

And I'm too old to move out of the country.

[hrmjustin]

41. I will be sad if Sanders gets the nod.

But i will vote for him if he wins.

[loyalsister]

72. Most of us are actually mourning

I know for me and many of my friends it is absolutely heartbreaking to entertain the notion of voting for the first woman Democratic nominee with dread.
I expected I would be filled with, yes Glee. But it will only vote for Hillary Clinton reluctantly

[morningfog]

3. Meh.

[Peregrine Took]

4. Why? n/t

[uponit7771]

5. Biggah and West both have used the most vile names to describe Obama, I don't think they're trying

... to attract the black community at this point.... not with those to Obama haters by their side.

I think they're trying to pull as much crossover from the Paul and Trump camp as possible to make up for the missing Obama coalition of voters.

[hrmjustin]

9. Yes.

[Fawke Em]

44. You need to pay more attention to Bernie's campaign if you think that.

You obviously don't have a clue about what you're talking about.

Bernie doesn't race-bait and try to "talk black" when he addresses the AA community like Clinton does.

[Empowerer]

56. Exhibits 7,180 and 7,181- insist that anyone who disagrees with them is uninformed and ignorant and

lecture black people about why Sanders is so much nicer to black people than Hillary Clinton is.

[uponit7771]

93. I have, I'm not impressed at all... he's all of what he's called Obama he just choose different

... subjects to be a politician on... that's ok, I just wish he'd say that vs chiding everyone else and not being FAR REMOVED from his own critique of others.


On this subject he's picked people who've said the most vile things about Obama... that's a fact your retort doesn't address...


also


Please describe what "talking black" is...

I'm black, I'd like to know...

regards

[BlueCaliDem]

77. ^^^This!^^^

This is exactly what I'm thinking.

[farleftlib]

10. Oh goody another concern troll post

We haven't had one of these for at least an hour or so.

[Empowerer]

13. Why do you dismiss any attempt to explain something to you as "concern trolling?"

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes voters want to stay as far away from the Sanders campaign as possible.

"We don't need anyone to tell us sh#t. Our candidate is infallible (did you know he marched with Dr. King?). We are always right. Our tactics are unassailable. And if you don't see it that way, you're stupid and we don't need you. HERE COME THE CONCERN TROLLS . . ."

Oh, yes. That's a winning message.

[farleftlib]

17. Your OP is classic concern trolling

You pretend to speak for an entire race of people and lecture Sanders supporters how to express themselves according to your sensibilities.

Hence, this is concern trolling and yes, I do dismiss it from the starting gate.

[hrmjustin]

25. You got here and you are calling a long term member a concern troll.

[farleftlib]

28. If the concern troll shoe fits...

[hrmjustin]

30. You seem nice.

[farleftlib]

33. I'm not

trust me.

[hrmjustin]

34. Yes it shows.

[farleftlib]

35. Thnaks for your concern

[Autumn]

65. But you are delightful

[farleftlib]

71. Why thank you kindly

I'm an acquired taste.

[wildeyed]

49. You should be concerned about Sanders' poll numbers

with Black Democrats. Those speak, statistically, pretty loudly.

[farleftlib]

53. I'm thrilled with his poll numbers

and he has nothing to fear.

[wildeyed]

67. You should be VERY concerned.

Because MATH.

Sanders' has no such problem in the two states. It's in the South and with black voters that he faces the Herculean task of trying to convince black voters that he is electable and that a senator who represents a state with a negligible percent of black voters can be as sensitive to, and aggressively fight hard against, racial and social injustices. Clinton has the tradition and track record to make that claim. She is working overtime to cement it with black voters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/winning-iowa-and-new-hamp_b_9065156.html

In poll after poll, Sanders's best group within the Democratic Party is liberal whites. Unfortunately for Sanders, Iowa and New Hampshire couldn't be much further on the extreme end of the party's demographic or ideological spectrum. According to our estimates, based on past exit polls and Census data, there is only one state where whites who self-identify as liberals make up a higher share of the Democratic primary electorate than Iowa and New Hampshire.

You guessed it: Vermont.

In fact, 98 percent of pledged Democratic delegates will come from states with lower shares of liberal whites than Iowa and New Hampshire. Just 447 of 4,051 pledged Democratic delegates - 11 percent - are tied to results in states or districts with higher shares of college-educated whites than New Hampshire. Moreover, just 13 percent of pledged Democratic delegates will be awarded in caucus states like Iowa, which as 2008 proved, tend to bring out more liberal participants than primaries.

http://cookpolitical.com/story/9179

Sanders is not enlarging his base. Be concerned. Be VERY concerned

[redstateblues]

38. welcome to DU!!

[Autumn]

11. Then they should vote for her, maybe she will finish what Bill started.

“Don’t get me wrong, I respected some aspects of Clinton’s presidency, but his legacy with respect to race included not only advocating causes that gutted high-paying blue collar jobs in the Midwest (NAFTA) and others that imprisoned more black men than ever. He and his wife also joined in lock step with Newt Gingrich in promulgating “welfare reform” that made black mothers who were already catching hell to raise their kids catch even more hell.”

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman#sthash.xMmYJc33.dpuf

[tularetom]

12. Yes, I can definitely see the appeal there

Like the time Bill Clinton said to Ted Kennedy, referring to then Senator Obama, "A few years ago he would have been carrying our bags".

Or when Hillary said during the 2008 primary season that her appeal was primarily to "hard working Americans, white Americans".

Yeah, sure, I can see why black voters would be attracted to a candidate who said stuff like that.

You convinced me.

[Empowerer]

18. Exhibit 7,177 - Sarcasm

Another charming effort at outreach through snarky sarcasm: ""You're black and you support Hillary Clinton despite all of the things that *I* don't like about her. Oh, sure, I see the appeal there . . ."

Yup. That got you exactly 0 additional votes. Excellent work on behalf of your candidate.

[tularetom]

24. Instead of screaming "snark", why don't you explain the appeal to us dense white folks?

Because a lot of us don't see it.

[Empowerer]

27. Exhibit 7,178 - Accuse anyone offering criticism of making personal, racially-based attacks

[Fawke Em]

45. Exhibit 7,179: Failure to answer the question posed. eom

[redstateblues]

54. Amazing how nasty they get so quickly

[tularetom]

57. Why do I bother?

Listen, I'm not exactly thrilled with the job President Obama has done, although I consider him a fine man and an excellent human being.

Consequently, I was infuriated by the shitty way the Clintons treated him in 2008, and that was just the final straw. I didn't like them before that, and I despised them afterward.

You need to get that 2x4 off your shoulder. And don't expect anything from any politician, you'll be much less disappointed.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Why is anyone who supports HRC ...

... obligated to explain her appeal to you, or anyone else?

Whether "white folks" - dense or otherwise - understand why HRC appeals to AA voters is of no consequence, nor is the notion of whether you "see it" or not.

The fact is that the vast majority of AA voters support HRC over BS - and whether you accept that or not has no impact on anything, nor are you owed any explanation whatsoever.

It's a question better posed to Bernie. Ask HIM why he cannot make any inroads with AAs and minorities - maybe he can get Cornell West or Killer Mike to explain it to you.

[polly7]

83. How is that sarcasm??

Did they NOT say those things?

[Empowerer]

86. Do you know what sarcasm means?

[polly7]

89. Yeah I do know what it fucking means. Apparently, you don't. nt.

[Empowerer]

90. My, aren't you just a charmer?

[polly7]

91. I give what I get. Don't like it ................... tough. nt.

[mucifer]

14. People can get the information and decide who they want to vote for. Neither side needs to

be patronizing towards people of color.

[99th_Monkey]

19. +1000

[Armstead]

20. You're not a pretty sight either

[Empowerer]

23. Actually, I am quite a lovely sight ...

[wildeyed]

51. You are!

[Empowerer]

52. awww - thank you!

[BlueCaliDem]

80. Why yes, yes you are, Empowerer. Your face isn't contorted in a constant state of

righteous rage so you must be quite lovely, indeed.

Come to think of it, all Hillary Clinton supporters don't have their faces contorted in a constant state of righteous rage.

[peacebird]

21. pffft... Nice that you are so 'concerned'

[hrmjustin]

32. Guess you hit a nerve.

Thank you for this post.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. How many black voters would you say read DU?

[Empowerer]

42. I have no idea

But the attitude I'm describing is not limited to DU. It is very widespread across the internets . . .

[Doctor_J]

50. And how many would suddenly switch their support to Hillary because someone pointed out

that she's a corporatist with no principles? This idea that pointing out Hillary's flaws will somehow make people vote for her is beyond bizarre.

[wildeyed]

55. Particularly after they make it clear

that they have decided.

[Empowerer]

58. You totally missed the point

"Pointing out Hillary's flaws" won't necessarily make people vote for her, but it won't encourage anyone who is already supporting her to switch to Sanders at this point. Most black voters are fully aware of her flaws, just as you are, so constantly telling them about her flaws - real and imagined - gets you nowhere. It seems more geared toward venting your hate of Hillary than toward actually encouraging anyone to vote for your candidate.

[m-lekktor]

69. This is one of the more obnoxious and whacked out threads I have seen in awhile.

A really crackpot attempt to silence Hillary critics!

I tend to give the AA community a bit more credit then she appears to! unfuckingbelievable.

[onecaliberal]

43. They can vote for her all they want. What do they call doing the same thing over

And over expecting different results...

[Empowerer]

59. Exhibit 7,182 - Suggest that black voters' support for Hillary is a sign of insanity.

Additional Sanders votes earned by that tactic = 0

[onecaliberal]

61. You can deny reality all you want. It is what it is. Eom

[Empowerer]

62. What it is is completely unproductive - you gain nothing for your candidate with this strategy

It probably makes you feel good to tell people who don't agree with you that they're insane or stupid. But if you're trying to help build additional support for your candidate, you're failing.

[onecaliberal]

63. If I were you I'd be way more worried about my candidate .

I have complete confidence in mine.

[wildeyed]

73. I think that moves the score into the negative territory.

Every time someone on this board does this kind of thing, I donate to Clinton and then whisper into the ear of one few of my Sanders supporting friends about my 'concerns' about Mr. Sanders I'm really good too Flipped a few already.

Additional Sanders votes earned by that tactic = -2

[Bread and Circus]

48. Black people can vote for which candidate they want for whatever reason they want....

But no one has to kiss anyone's you-know-what if that is what you are expecting.

[Empowerer]

60. Exhibit 7,183 - Claim that treating black voters with respect = "kissing their you-know-whats"

[Bread and Circus]

64. I don't view your OP as a call for respect. I thing it is just insulting and meant to agitate.

Vote for whoever you want. No one needs to beg you.

Sorry if I am somehow misinterpreting your OP but it seems to me you aren't coming from a place of good faith.

[Empowerer]

76. How is suggesting that people you're trying to attract be treated with respect "insulting"

and "agitating?'

And, yes, you are misinterpreting my OP.

[Bread and Circus]

79. If that's what you intended by your OP then it is very poorly written.

[Empowerer]

84. My OP was quite well-written and very clear. You misinterpreted it

Exhibit 7,186 - insist people are saying something they neither said nor implied but that you claim they "really meant."

[Bread and Circus]

85. Well, I searched several times but you didn't even inlcude the word "respect" nor even allude to it.

But now you want me to magically think your OP is all about respect?

I am sorry but your post is poorly written.

[Empowerer]

87. Whatever

[Bread and Circus]

88. I rest my case.

[farleftlib]

66. This thread has nothing to do with wooing black votes to Sanders

and has everything to do with Sanders supporters censoring everything they say because your candidate can't stand up to scrutiny.

[Empowerer]

68. Exhibit 7,184 - complain that someone who doesn't agree with you is trying to censor you

[SMC22307]

92. You sure you wanna go there?

Duct-tape avatars, anyone? And I'm not talking about the duct-taped duck.

Censorship! Silencing! Alert-stalking! Hmm, now what group would that be?

[cheapdate]

70. It's true. People loved Bill Clinton, and Hillary by extension.

Bill Clinton came into office after the nightmare of Ronald Reagan and HW Bush and people loved him. Still do. No sense trying to explain it or argue against it.

[loyalsister]

74. In my area, I have many black friends

And 2 are supporters. Friends out of STL BLM are not fans, though there are some people in various leadership positions NAACP who are supporters. Grassroots are decidedly not.

[whatchamacallit]

82. Cool, another "Act as I say or you won't get this vote you'd never get anyway" post

No thanks.