2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"On Foreign Policy, Obama Is Bulletproof - Why Has Every Attack on Obama's Foreign Policy Failed?"
On The Atlantic, the link to this article is headlined: On Foreign Policy, Obama Is Bulletproof
The electorate supports what he has done, is unpersuaded by his Republican critics, and doesn't care about his broken promises.
President Obama's foreign policy has provoked two very different critiques.
The one I've pursued, along with a small group of civil libertarians, non-interventionists, and disaffected progressives...
Far more Americans are familiar with the critique offered by Republican politicians, conservative television and talk radio hosts, and neoconservative writers....
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These critiques (the latter based mostly on distortions) share just one feature: the electorate is rejecting them both. Polling data suggests that as Election 2012 approaches, voters are broadly supportive of the actions he has taken, unpersuaded by Republican attacks, and unperturbed even by Obama's broken promises. Is he invulnerable to being attacked on foreign policy?
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How do you attack a president on foreign policy when his two most consequential initiatives -- the drone war and the troop drawdowns -- are both supported by roughly 8 in 10 Americans surveyed? Also wildly popular: the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the successful assault on pirates.
There is one bit of good news in these numbers for non-interventionists. Americans want to bring our troops home. Civil libertarians have less to celebrate, but can at least console themselves with the possibility that public opinion on their issues could change if the substance of their critique is heard by more people, though it's difficult to see how that could happen prior to the election.
For Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum, the polling data is even bleaker. Few Americans accept the fantastical critiques the right has been making for the last few years, many of which will invite the retort, "Tell that to bin Laden." It seems as though Iran is the issue on which they're presently trying to distinguish themselves. Depressingly for non-interventionists, however, Obama can credibly talk and even act like a hawk on Iran, and attempts to get to his right risk triggering in voters bad memories of hawkish conservatives urging the invasion of Iraq in 2002 or 2003.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/why-has-every-attack-on-obamas-foreign-policy-failed/252799/
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)view the USA much more positively than when Bush was president?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I know it's 4 years on, but we do still live in the afterglow of that debacle.
How much worse could he possibly do than his predecessor
Truth is, the vast majority of Americans pay no attention to foreign policy at all. There is no pressure on congress to close Gitmo, even though BOTH candidates ran on closing it in the last election. Obama doesn't even mention it anymore.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)He's still done an excellent job given what he's had to work with.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Nevertheless, it is a good thing if he wastes little time in distracting the Rubes.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)And which rubes? (there's lots)
bemildred
(90,061 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)so I could care less what they have to say about ANYTHING, especially this president's excellent record on foreign policy & national security. Rec.
tfrey1225
(34 posts)of what a civil libertarian actually believes. As someone who considers myself a civil libertarian I can say that I've never smoked doped, nor consumed any kind of illicit substance, I don't drink, smoke or chew. I'm married to my first and only wife and we have one child together. I just simply believe strongly in freedom and civil liberties, you know, two things I thought liberals were supposed to care about. I'm backing Obama all the way but I'm disappointed in his civil liberties record which has been shoddy at best.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)A lot of these actions go against everything this country stands for. I have to say though that I will take a drone attack over full fledged war at this point as it does not seem that a lot of Americans care anymore about what we are supposed to mean as a country and what it was founded on.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)They are quite different.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)An individual who "actively supports or works for the protection or expansion of civil liberties" is called a civil libertarian.
Exactly. That other person seems to think that civil libertarianism and libertarianism are one in the same. Civil libertarianism isn't a complete political ideology, it's just like saying you're "fiscally conservative" or "socially liberal."
bemildred
(90,061 posts)That way you could make sense.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)the "learning" and "using correct definitions" to you.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)noel711
(2,185 posts)they rag on him, saying he couldn't swim.
IF the presidented found a cure for cancer,
the republicans would complain that he put the
cancer industry out of business.
If the president turned around global warming,
they'd accuse him of playing god.
No matter, they complain, bitch and point fingers.
It's simple sour grapes....on steroids.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)In a little over 3 years Obama has taken the foreign policy cred away from the Republicans.