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Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:37 AM Feb 2012

"On Foreign Policy, Obama Is Bulletproof - Why Has Every Attack on Obama's Foreign Policy Failed?"

On The Atlantic, the link to this article is headlined: On Foreign Policy, Obama Is Bulletproof

Why Has Every Attack on Obama's Foreign Policy Failed?

The electorate supports what he has done, is unpersuaded by his Republican critics, and doesn't care about his broken promises.



President Obama's foreign policy has provoked two very different critiques.
The one I've pursued, along with a small group of civil libertarians, non-interventionists, and disaffected progressives...
Far more Americans are familiar with the critique offered by Republican politicians, conservative television and talk radio hosts, and neoconservative writers....

-snip-
These critiques (the latter based mostly on distortions) share just one feature: the electorate is rejecting them both. Polling data suggests that as Election 2012 approaches, voters are broadly supportive of the actions he has taken, unpersuaded by Republican attacks, and unperturbed even by Obama's broken promises. Is he invulnerable to being attacked on foreign policy?

-snip-
How do you attack a president on foreign policy when his two most consequential initiatives -- the drone war and the troop drawdowns -- are both supported by roughly 8 in 10 Americans surveyed? Also wildly popular: the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the successful assault on pirates.
There is one bit of good news in these numbers for non-interventionists. Americans want to bring our troops home. Civil libertarians have less to celebrate, but can at least console themselves with the possibility that public opinion on their issues could change if the substance of their critique is heard by more people, though it's difficult to see how that could happen prior to the election.

For Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum, the polling data is even bleaker. Few Americans accept the fantastical critiques the right has been making for the last few years, many of which will invite the retort, "Tell that to bin Laden." It seems as though Iran is the issue on which they're presently trying to distinguish themselves. Depressingly for non-interventionists, however, Obama can credibly talk and even act like a hawk on Iran, and attempts to get to his right risk triggering in voters bad memories of hawkish conservatives urging the invasion of Iraq in 2002 or 2003.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/why-has-every-attack-on-obamas-foreign-policy-failed/252799/
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"On Foreign Policy, Obama Is Bulletproof - Why Has Every Attack on Obama's Foreign Policy Failed?" (Original Post) Pirate Smile Feb 2012 OP
because he ended one war? and is winding down another? and he has made the world WI_DEM Feb 2012 #1
Bush the Younger was a really easy act to follow. bemildred Feb 2012 #2
Yup zipplewrath Feb 2012 #4
True though that may be, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #17
I intend no disrespect. bemildred Feb 2012 #18
In what way do you mean 'distracting the rubes'? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #20
Here: bemildred Feb 2012 #21
Ah, effective. n/t The Doctor. Feb 2012 #22
"Civil Libertarians" are basically "Republicans" who want to smoke dope & get laid..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #3
Complete mischaracterization tfrey1225 Feb 2012 #6
Mmmmkay..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #8
I am with you Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #11
You seem to be conflating "Libertarians" with "Civil Libertarians". bemildred Feb 2012 #9
Oh, I forgot, "civil" libertarians support closet racists. Sorry, I shoulda made that distinction. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #10
This is the definition Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #12
Bingo tfrey1225 Feb 2012 #13
No, you should learn and use the correct definitions. bemildred Feb 2012 #15
As I could give less than two shits about libertarians, "civil" or otherwise. I'll leave..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #16
Yes, your lack of concern with such things is clear. nt bemildred Feb 2012 #19
If the president walked on water.... noel711 Feb 2012 #5
Some Democrats are guilty of these very same things you speak of. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #14
Probably taking out OBL and much of the AQ and Taliban leadership would explain that. DCBob Feb 2012 #7

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
1. because he ended one war? and is winding down another? and he has made the world
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 11:13 AM
Feb 2012

view the USA much more positively than when Bush was president?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Bush the Younger was a really easy act to follow.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 12:25 PM
Feb 2012

I know it's 4 years on, but we do still live in the afterglow of that debacle.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Yup
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:16 PM
Feb 2012

How much worse could he possibly do than his predecessor

Truth is, the vast majority of Americans pay no attention to foreign policy at all. There is no pressure on congress to close Gitmo, even though BOTH candidates ran on closing it in the last election. Obama doesn't even mention it anymore.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. I intend no disrespect.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:40 PM
Feb 2012

Nevertheless, it is a good thing if he wastes little time in distracting the Rubes.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
3. "Civil Libertarians" are basically "Republicans" who want to smoke dope & get laid.....
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

so I could care less what they have to say about ANYTHING, especially this president's excellent record on foreign policy & national security. Rec.

tfrey1225

(34 posts)
6. Complete mischaracterization
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:23 PM
Feb 2012

of what a civil libertarian actually believes. As someone who considers myself a civil libertarian I can say that I've never smoked doped, nor consumed any kind of illicit substance, I don't drink, smoke or chew. I'm married to my first and only wife and we have one child together. I just simply believe strongly in freedom and civil liberties, you know, two things I thought liberals were supposed to care about. I'm backing Obama all the way but I'm disappointed in his civil liberties record which has been shoddy at best.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
11. I am with you
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:12 AM
Feb 2012

A lot of these actions go against everything this country stands for. I have to say though that I will take a drone attack over full fledged war at this point as it does not seem that a lot of Americans care anymore about what we are supposed to mean as a country and what it was founded on.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
12. This is the definition
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:15 AM
Feb 2012

An individual who "actively supports or works for the protection or expansion of civil liberties" is called a civil libertarian.

tfrey1225

(34 posts)
13. Bingo
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:42 AM
Feb 2012

Exactly. That other person seems to think that civil libertarianism and libertarianism are one in the same. Civil libertarianism isn't a complete political ideology, it's just like saying you're "fiscally conservative" or "socially liberal."

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
16. As I could give less than two shits about libertarians, "civil" or otherwise. I'll leave.....
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012

the "learning" and "using correct definitions" to you.

noel711

(2,185 posts)
5. If the president walked on water....
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:07 PM
Feb 2012

they rag on him, saying he couldn't swim.

IF the presidented found a cure for cancer,
the republicans would complain that he put the
cancer industry out of business.

If the president turned around global warming,
they'd accuse him of playing god.

No matter, they complain, bitch and point fingers.
It's simple sour grapes....on steroids.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. Probably taking out OBL and much of the AQ and Taliban leadership would explain that.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:24 PM
Feb 2012

In a little over 3 years Obama has taken the foreign policy cred away from the Republicans.

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