If Vermont is such a horrible fucking white racist state

[cali]

Why did President Obama do better there, both in 2008 and 2012, than in any other state but Hawaii?


I feel like I need to shower when I read the Clinton supporters inferring or straight out calling, Bernie a racist because he moved to and lives in Vermont.


Let me clue you folks in: The hippies who moved to Vermont didn't move here because they're racists.

[HerbChestnut]

1. K&R

[Live and Learn]

2. Oh my, they threw all of Vermont under the bus?

Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Guess Iowa and New Hampshire will be next.

[winter is coming]

93. They're still hoping to "shake some sense" into Iowa. n/t

[Live and Learn]

94. And forcing iron workers to campaign for her. nt

[PatrynXX]

96. well hopefully she wort force any 4 yr olds to come along either smh n/t

[Z_California]

97. What's the story on this?

My granddad, dad, and many of my uncles were or are Iowa ironworkers and, other than my granddad (who passed away) they all support Bernie. Very interested in your statement if you could link it for me I'd be much obliged!

[Live and Learn]

98. I was kidding about the forcing, kind of. Here is the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1046156

[Z_California]

108. Thank you kindly!

I just left my mark on that one.

[Live and Learn]

111. Nice mark. That thread was just asking for it. lol nt

[notadmblnd]

110. OMG Hillary must be racist and sexist

Not one female or person of color in that photo.

Hillary, why do you hate women and African Americans?

[Live and Learn]

112. Dang, I missed the fact that there were no women either. nt

[quickesst]

126. No...

... You weren't kidding. You're just walking it back... Sort of.

[Live and Learn]

127. Not at all. They weren't forced at gun point but they were intimidated by wanting to keep their jobs

Funny how none of you can explain the looks on their faces. Happy campaigners? I don't think so!!!!

[quickesst]

129. You're saying that....

... as a statement of fact, which we both know is dishonest in itself. They are iron workers and like I said in the other thread, I worked with these guys for almost 25 years. They are a breed apart, and one of the hardest types of people to read unless you get to know them. I know plenty of them, and for all anyone knows they could be enthusiastic Hillary supporters, but uncomfortable with publicity through photographs. That's more plausible than your uninformed speculation.

[Live and Learn]

130. Yeah, yeah, I know. Iron workers never smile, right?

Funny, the ones I know smile plenty. I think your friends must be a very sad lot.

[quickesst]

137. Your response tells me everything...

... I need to know. Your answer belies your assertion that you know any ironworkers. The thing is, there are a lot of people in many different walks of life who don't like to be in front of the camera, and show their discomfort in many different ways. I am one of those people. The bottom line is that claiming to know someone's emotions and character by the expression on their face is, as a matter of fact, dishonest, and I don't believe there is anything you can say in defense of it, but a lot of Bernie's supporters will keep slinging shit against the wall hoping something will stick. At this point I expect no less.

[Live and Learn]

140. Your assertions are ridiculous and I am quite certain that most people aren't like you. nt

[quickesst]

142. Ok...

... and your're inane in yours. This is about the most lopsided conversation I've ever had, but there was this one time... with that brick wall...

[Live and Learn]

143. Well that explains it. Concussions can be quite dangerous.

Try something softer next time.

[paleotn]

151. "shake some sense" into them?....

sounds like "re-educate" to me.

[notadmblnd]

109. Oh they already have slammed Iowa.

Hillary is going there to "shake some sense into them"

[avaistheone1]

3. ***SNAP***

[stillwaiting]

4. I believe this conclusively destroys their nasty attack. Not that they would ever admit that.

But, to anyone outside of their partisan Hit Parade it certainly would close the book on this filthy line of attack.

[Cal33]

5. These guys remind me so much of the Republicans -- they fight just as dirty.

[Proserpina]

10. And randomly

It's hit or miss....mostly miss.

[RoccoR5955]

83. More like miss and miss.

These folks couldn't hit the side of a barn with these accusations.

[CharlotteVale]

19. +1

[AlbertCat]

27. These guys remind me so much of the Republicans

Well, the "Bernie doesn't "get" black people because he's from a little white state" is indeed a GOP meme started back in June.

[Cal33]

74. Do you think it's possible that some of them are moles planted here by the Pubs. in order to

create trouble, as well as to split and divide us Dems.?

[beltanefauve]

87. Yes I do think that

[Z_California]

101. Possibly so, but you can't call David Brock a "mole"

He riffed on this theme himself commenting on Bernie's "America" video. #Berniesoracist

[beam me up scottie]

6. Vermont went for Jessie Jackson in 88 - with Bernie's help.

Attempting to smear one of the most progressive states in the country is just more Rovian/Brockian politics.

Anything to win.

[DemocraticWing]

7. Minorites only exist to Clintonistas for the purpose of making points

Don't worry, if they end up losing the black vote again, racist redneck Bill n' Hillary will come out again.

[valerief]

8. Well, in the 80s we all knew Bob Newhart was racist, because he set his TV series Newhart in Vermont

[cali]

9. Of.course, I forgot all about that.

[valerief]

12. He had a lot of white people on the show. No one else had a lot of white

people on their shows.



So racism. Of course. What else could it be?

[klook]

49. What about Ben & Jerry?

Most of their ice cream is white, last time I checked.

[aidbo]

58. Their best flavor isn't white.

Ben & Jerry's best ice cream flavor:


BEST FLAVOR. FACT.

[Fast Walker 52]

78. this stuff is pretty dark and awesome too

[senz]

123. Oh! Don't do that to me.

[awoke_in_2003]

136. My favorite flavor is in the graveyard...

it was Chocolate Macadamia- chocolate and vanilla swirled with chocolate covered macadamia nuts.

[Mendocino]

88. All those racist maple trees

oozing the blood essence of their intolerance into buckets of pain.

[retrowire]

114. Haha, I laughed out loud. That was creative. nt

[left-of-center2012]

11. Sooner or later ...

... they'll bring up his religion.

[cali]

14. Oh, they already did.

[pangaia]

47. I saw that...

Why, some of my best friends growing up were.. JEWISH !!!

[Fast Walker 52]

79. and what did they say?

[hughee99]

118. Some horseshit about divided loyalties between

The US and Israel.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. I wouldn't be surprised.

[beam me up scottie]

17. They've been doing that for months.

They even linked to Stormfront and tomatobubble to smear him.

Bernie's been called "shifty Sanders", Israel's #1 shill, a "red Jew", had his loyalty questioned, been accused of having his campaign funded by Israel and now they're inventing conspiracies about his time spent in Israel.

It's birtherism 2016.

[appalachiablue]

65. Some awful stuff for real. The NPR interview by ancienne Diane Rehm last spring after

Bernie announced had me livid for a week. She Told him in the beginning he had duel citizenship, US, Israel. When he said no, Diane continued and asked him, 'And how many dual citizen members are there in the Congress"?. So ugly.

But this cracked me up today, by pinebox

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. That's funny.

[Fast Walker 52]

80. yeah, I love that gif

Diane Rehm, not so much.

[bvf]

90. Glad she's leaving. Wish it were sooner. n/t

[Fast Walker 52]

121. wow, thanks for the tip-- wish it were sooner too, though I doubt NPR will get anyone

less annoyingly "centrist".

[tazkcmo]

131. Me too!

She's awful. Can't stand listening to her.

[elljay]

122. Cruz

Well, there was Rafael Eduardo Cruz, but he just gave up his Canadian citizenship.

[geardaddy]

81. I love it!

[pangaia]

92. OMG, now I remember that, I remember exactly where I was..

driving to work.
And I was so pissed I started yelling at her.

[7962]

139. Hilarious!

[Lordquinton]

36. It's amazing

At least I haven't seen him being called a white supremesist in a while. Calling someone whose family was murdered by Nazis a white supremesist?

Antisemitism is racism, and is alive and well in the US, sad to see it pop up here at times.

[Autumn]

61. Yes Antisemitism is very much alive on DU and in their

off sites. For the most part it is kept hidden here but it still seeps out.

[droidamus2]

71. You mean like..

You mean like that other Jewish Socialist that did not like bankers... what was his name?? Oh yeah Jesus Christ. You may have heard of him.

[navarth]

73. boom!!

[Lordquinton]

77. Oh snap!

You'll get the Bernie is he Messiah speech now.

[winter is coming]

95. Isn't he running on the GOP side this year? He must be.

Every time I overhear someone asking another person who they fancy on the Republican side, the response is "Jesus Christ!"

[elljay]

124. Just wait....

-...for the pandering to the Jewish community to begin as the NY, NJ, FL and CA primaries approach. Who is more Jewy, Sanders (non-observant Jew, but second wife is not), Clinton (Chelsea is married to a Jew but didn't convert), or Trump (Ivanka married to an observant Jew and did convert)? Who has a Jewish friend? Who loves Israel more? Who likes pastrami on rye at Katz's Deli? Oy, not my favorite part of the campaign season!

[NCTraveler]

13. "Horrible fucking white racist state"

This is the first time I have read that.

[cali]

15. How both literal and disingenuous.

[NCTraveler]

20. Simple link will take care of it.

Nothing disingenuous about wanting to know who said such things. Cali, searching for knowledge and facts isn't disingenuous. You are the first one I have seem come even close to this comment.

[jeff47]

21. Sure. A link would get the hide you're fishing for. (nt)

[NCTraveler]

23. I'm not fishing for a hide in any way at all.

The last alert I sent was on January 7th on a post that was already alerted. Sorry to bust your bubble. Like the op, your claim has no merit.

[jeff47]

25. Yes, you not knowing anything about DU's TOS is completely believable. (nt)

[NCTraveler]

29. I have no idea how that reply has to do with anything I said, or the op.

Please don't derail. I am simply asking cali for a link as she is the first on I have heard say these horrible things about the people of Vermont. Please click here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259 if you would like to ask questions about the TOS.

Or you can find info here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Ned_Devine]

75. Just today I've read threads that hinted at it

I think the author's name is Gman

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Rules for thou, and not for moi!

[ieoeja]

55. But here you go.

Of course, you will pretend because it does not say those exact words that is not the same thing. So a waste of time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1045726

[NCTraveler]

59. No, I'll give you that one. Lol

Close enough anyway. The citizens of the state were in no way referenced as racist. They had a point and blew it up with really nasty assumptions.

[valerief]

18. I'm still waiting for Congress to outlaw this song.

Sung by a white (of course) guy, too! Talks about snow (more white stuff) and moonlight (making darkness light, which is clearly racist, because there's nothing wrong with darkness).

I'm surprised Bernie's rivals haven't raised these points, too.

[draa]

31. Thanks you for that.

Very soothing for a Friday.

[jalan48]

22. Hillarians do this because they can't argue on the issues.

[SoapBox]

37. Yup...never, ever the issues.

It's a campaign of dirt and slime...and it's doomed to sink.

Actually hard to believe but it certainly was predictable.

Go Bernie!

[MisterP]

41. Hillarians do this becuase their candidate fingerwags and bum's-rushes BLM, panders

rather than represents each ethnic group, is best buds with Rahm, and oh BTW backed the tremendous wave of incarceration in the 90s that continued or even accelerated Reagan's targeting of the redlined lands

it's the same when they trotted out (the phrase applies here) Lena Dunham (of all people) to say that Sanders is a MAN and he has supporters who are MEN and isn't that AWFUL, sisters?

[sibelian]

149. Even worse - BROS!!! Bros, man.

Because the United States, of course, totally hates bros.

[Wilms]

24. "The hippies who moved to Vermont didn't move here because they're racists."

[gregcrawford]

26. You can smell the stench of desperation...

... in the flop sweat dripping off the Clinton supporters who would sink to the level of implying that Bernie must be a racist because he lives in Vermont.

So why doncha come on up here to Vermont and call me a racist to my face?

Oh, and don't worry, there are plenty of good oral surgeons up here.

[draa]

30. Flop Sweat!!!

Hahaha, love it.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. I really wonder if any of her staff are paying attention to this site

and DailyKos.

She is alienating people to the point of no return, and no promises she can make will bring the votes back.

And no, we will NOT taken the blame if she fails to get elected.

[jeff47]

40. Wouldn't matter if they were.

They truly believe "Who else you gonna vote for?" is effective. Even after 2014. And 2010. And 2004. And 2000.

[Amimnoch]

45. Bernie's... Followers.. Are doing quite well at that temselves.

Nt.

[Kelvin Mace]

107. i have yet to read any HRC supporter,

as the PUMA crowd did in 2008, that they wouldn't vote for Bernie if he won the primary, so it doesn't seem to be alienating them the way HRC does.

[Roy Rolling]

32. Right Arm

Vermont was truly "out of state" to those in the '60s.

[sarge43]

33. Two thirds of those "racists" voted for President Obama - twice.

Vermonters are smart progressives. They don't do racism.

[closeupready]

34. Simple: Because Hillary's campaign has a time machine.

Went back, and lopsided the results for the benefit of BHO's successor, HRC.

[sarge43]

35. By the way, Camp Weathervane, calling VT and Vermonters racists implies

that Northern New Englanders are also racists. That won't roll in NH come 9 February. We trade insults across the Connecticut River, but outsiders try it and we get wicked cranky.

[SoapBox]

42. Wild Willie is pushing her campaign to focus now on Super Tuesday states...

I take that to mean, they have already tossed Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada (and Vermont as very expendable) under the bus.

Where is that fork? It's over.

[sarge43]

43. Yeah, no way HRC would get the time of day in VT.

NH is in the bag. Looks like IA is too.

If Sanders can do well Super Tuesday, he runs the table. GOTV.

[retrowire]

38. Because the meme is, if you're white, you're automatically racist.

That meme has got to stop. Too divisive.

[Sophiegirl]

39. I'm averse to cold weather

Otherwise, I would live there.

[Amimnoch]

44. edited: I was wrong. Cali was right.

NT.

[ieoeja]

56. Here you go.

Of course, you will pretend because it does not say those exact words that is not the same thing. So a waste of time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1045726

I can't believe this linked post survived an alert. Falsely accusing Bernie of trying to suppress the Black vote without offering even spin to back it up should have been an easy hide.

[Orrex]

60. Thank you for pointing out that bullshit post. I have replied to it.

That's honesty the first time I've seen anyone here make that bullshit claim, and it needs to be called out.

[ieoeja]

63. And a genuine, thank you, to you in return! n/t

[Amimnoch]

62. OMG. I'm physically ill now.

I even had replies (not directly to what that person said, but to replies to that person). I've deleted those replies I'd put in.

I had honestly not noticed that the person had directly called Sanders a racist. I don't believe or support that at all.

I do still question his experience with those issues due to the experience he has for the last 36 years, but not his dedication to actual equality.

I was wrong.. and while it makes me ill to say so.. Cali was right.

[cali]

64. Thanks. You didn't need to say that, but thanks

[beam me up scottie]

67. Wow. I just gained a lot of respect for you.

That was cool, thank you.

[navarth]

69. good on ya

No matter what side we're on for primaries, I wish we could stop stereotyping each other. I don't like it going in either direction. None of us are demons, nor are we angels.

[Bluenorthwest]

100. Allow me to that same Gman from 2008

11. This is when I turned permanently against Obama

Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 07:23 AM by Gman
to take Clinton's remarks and try to make, of all people, him a racist absolutely disgusted me. It showed how low and to what dirty, slimy levels the Obama campaign would descend in order to force their mediocre candidate down everyone's throats.

If Obama is the nominee, he will get my vote only through the benefit of my voting straight party Democrat. There's a couple of local judges and my state representative who is a self-aggrandizing asshole that I have no use for that will also benefit as will Obama. But that's the way it goes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5136003


Offered for perspective.

[cali]

115. Gad. The cognitive dissonance is strong

[beam me up scottie]

119. Wow. That explains a lot.

Thanks, Blue.

[Jenny_92808]

138. Idiot...

Sorry couldn't help myself.

[sibelian]

150. Mega-respect points for you...

[virgogal]

46. Politics is a filthy business. If a Republican

was running and lived in a lily-white state such as Vermont that would certainly be a hot button issue for Democrats.


That is the way it is.

[Orrex]

48. I have seen no one declare Vermont a white racist state

Perhaps you're attempting to mischaracterize the very correct observation that whites represent a larger percentage of Vermont's population than they do in, say, the famously white Utah. As a result of that correct observation, one might further correctly note that previous success among that demographically homogeneous electorate is no reasonable basis for assuming electoral success against the much broader demographic landscape of the nation as a whole.

But if it gets you more clicks and recs, feel free to equate this reality to the apocryphal claim that "Vermont is such a horrible fucking white racist state."

[font color="red"]Edited to add: I have been made aware of a bullshit post that does, indeed, call Sanders a racist. That post reflects badly on the poster's intellectually honesty, and I have replied there to say as much.[/font]

[JoePhilly]

50. Your OP is missing something ...

A giant strawman.

[Bluenorthwest]

102. Not so much.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1045726

[Nitram]

52. Who is calling Bernie and Vermont racist?

I thought the point was that he just isn't as familiar with African-American issues. And that his focus is on the economy rather than directed specifically at A-A issues. that he has't built ties with the A-A community over the years because Vermont is relatively isolated from areas where the A-A population is larger.

[cali]

53. I can't link, but I've seen 3 of those posts just today.

[uponit7771]

106. Come on people, no one is saying VT is racist.

[Nitram]

134. Cali, there are a lot of nuts out there.

Damaging the campaigns they think they are supporting. If you generalize from them you will believe every candidate is evil.

[uponit7771]

105. That's been made plane for all to see, I think right now they're looking for someone to blame

... if this goes south for Sanders and I strongly feel it'll be us

[Nitram]

154. I agree, uponit, they are lining up all their excuses and scapegoats in advance.

[CoffeeCat]

54. They try to make the same pathetic argument about Iowa

Because Iowa is overwhelmingly white, Hillary Clinton's campaign has insisted that Iowa is not representative of the nation as a whole.

Well, in 08 Iowa overwhelmingly voted for Obama in the caucuses. We were the first state to do so. We listened to his speeches, hear his message--and listened to the other candidates too--and Obama was the clear winner of the Iowa caucuses--with record attendance!

Iowans are not racist.

I am sure after Hillary loses Iowa, we will hear how awful and disgusting our state is, and how inferior all of our people are. And we'll also hear that our caucus system is rigged, unfair and whatever else Hillary decides to impart on her way out the door.

She did this in 08. It's coming again in ten days.

[Oilwellian]

113. You're right

Hillary Clinton's campaign has insisted that Iowa is not representative of the nation as a whole.

Hillary thinks Iowa Dem caucus participants are creatures of the extreme.

Creatures.

[Tab]

66. There's some pockets, yes, but as a state, no.

I grew up there, and there were definitely some rednecks but most places certainly not, and over the decades it's changed tremendously. Are they thinking Ben and Jerry are racists? Burlington is closer to Boulder or San Francisco politically than, say, Alabama.

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Desperation....on the part of Hillary supporters.

[Uncle Joe]

72. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[Politicub]

76. Strawman, much?

I, too, am going to shower to wash away the stench of the perpetually offended. It tends to waft my way when someone dare have an opinion that goes against the orthodoxy.

[Vinca]

82. Having been born in Vermont and lived a good deal of my life in Vermont,

I can say Vermont is probably the least racist state I've ever been in. I don't know why it's 95% white. Ask the black people who apparently don't want to live there.

[One_Life_To_Give]

84. Every year about this time it's nothing but Whiteness, as far as the eye can see. nt

[restorefreedom]

85. damn fucking straight, cali!!! nt

[RoccoR5955]

86. Perhaps something in Clinton's inside polls

are telling her that she is going to lose miserably. Why else bring out such lying garbage?

[WillyT]

89. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[karynnj]

91. Burlington City Hall's silent protest of Trump visit - Refugees Welcomed here

When Trump invaded Burlington, protesters were across the street in City Hall Park. The city silently suggested its own position. In the windows of the top floor of the city hall, Large letters spelled out REFUGEES WELCOMED HERE.

Yes, VT is white, but the Burlington area is a refugee resettlement area - and when other states were fighting the idea of getting refugees, Vermont was and is supportive.

[George II]

99. I assume you're talking about in the primaries. But 2012??? REALLY???

In 2012 only 6.5 million Democrats voted nationwide (vs. almost 40 million in 2008) in all 50+ primaries.

As for 2008, you might want to rethink your proclamation. Did you overlook Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Illinois, Kansas, North Dakota.....etc. etc. etc.

[uponit7771]

103. Strawman... and then some other silly shit to go along with it... Come on lets talk and not scream

[iandhr]

116. Let me introduce my self.

I am a Clinton supporter. I am a PROUND alum of the University of Vermont. Vermont is a wonderful place.


I am also a fan to Bernie's


Lets talk sanely.

[Warren DeMontague]

117. Oh yeah? Then why does Phish have that 25 minute jam song about White Pride and Aryan Power?

Regular Klan members, those gents.

[jfern]

120. It also has the 2nd least disparity between white and black household income

It's also the 2nd least for Hispanics (actually Hispanics earn more). It loses to different states, and if you were to average the two, it would be the lowest of any state.

http://www.remappingdebate.org/map-data-tool/racial-disparities-median-household-income-remain-enormous-most-states

[WillyT]

125. Didn't Jesse Jackson Do Well In Vermont In 1984 And 1988 ???

Don't know about 1984, although Bernie, and Vermont, supported him then...

But 1988:

Jackson captured 6.9 million votes and won 11 contests: seven primaries (Alabama, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Puerto Rico and Virginia) and four caucuses (Delaware, Michigan, South Carolina and Vermont).[6] Jackson also scored March victories in Alaska's caucuses and Texas's local conventions, despite losing the Texas primary.[7][8] Some news accounts credit him with 13 wins.[9] Briefly, after he won 55% of the vote in the Michigan Democratic caucus, he was considered the frontrunner for the nomination, as he surpassed all the other candidates in total number of pledged delegates.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson_presidential_campaign,_1988

And Bernie, and Vermont, supported him in 1988 as well...

[jfern]

132. Bernie was one of the few white politicians to support Jackson

[Jarqui]

128. The more I encounter this wild stuff (like Vermont being racist state),

the more I wonder if Hillary Clinton doesn't represent the GOP wing of the Democratic party.

[MissDeeds]

133. And the meme about Vermont

and New Hampshire being overwhelmingly white...I don't recall a fence, wall, moat or barricade keeping people of color out. Both states are inclusive, so where is this nonsense coming from?

[bvf]

145. From desperation, where else?

[Gman]

135. They didn't like McCain or Romney?

[cali]

148. No.

[MadDAsHell]

144. Along the same lines, Obama was voted in by healthy margins in both national elections ....

Yet many would say we're the most racist country in the world.

[cui bono]

147. Not Good Enough, cali!

How can we ever forget that gem of an OP?

.

[KittyWampus]

152. Vermont proportionally has one of the highest minority incarceration rates.

Ignoring your hyperbolic OP, which shows you don't REALLY have a point and just want to appeal to the emotions of your fellow Sanders supporters.

[cali]

153. Something Vermont has been working on for several years

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2012/03/vermont-exploring-racial-disparties-in-its-prison-population.html

How many other legislatures do this?