Did I get this wrong? Isn't the deal that they have to OFFER contraception?

[renie408]

It isn't like Barack Obama is personally driving to every Catholic church employee's home and forcing birth control pills down their throats. If they don't want to take the damn pills, they don't take the damn pills. Or shots or whatever. This is only a big deal because what passes for 'news' these days doesn't want to talk about anything that really IS important. And everybody is always so damn happy to jump when they say 'froggy' and get into a snit about whatever made up piece of shit news story they fan the flames on. Ugh.

[rhett o rick]

1. I dont even think they have to offer it. They just cant deny access or at least the same access that

others have. And it isnt even Catholics, it's any employee.

[JoePhilly]

2. YUP ... catholic institutions should have no problem because none of their

employees would ever use this element of Health care.

Their employees would see the choice, and not use it.

Or does the church not trust its members?

[renie408]

4. LOL...Of COURSE they do!!

[annabanana]

5. They hire thousands on NON-Catholics.. What they want to do is refuse

other people, who have no objections to birth control the coverage that everyone else will get.

[JoePhilly]

6. Oh yes, no arguement there.

Maybe a better way to say it would be that they don't trust their own parishioners, and they also want to "control and convert" non-Catholics into that same world view.

[LiberalFighter]

10. Catholics (bosses) are idiotics when rationalizing

It's like they want their employees to get pregnant so their cost share of the medical expenses goes up. As well as the higher cost involved in training someone to do the job of the pregnant worker that goes out on medical.

[treestar]

16. Exactly! This shows where they are really coming from.

They know women want it, and they want it out of those women's reach, whether it be price or any other restriction!

[elleng]

3. The heart of this issue is

requiring Catholic institutions to include in their health insurance choices, for employees, contraception options, which it is assumed costs those Catholic insitutions something. I am not sure that it does, in fact, cost them anything, but it might. I do think that's a legitimate concern, but quite marginal and NOT worthy of the huge kerfuffle it's caused.

As to 'news,' some repugs and media NEED kerfuffles.

[ejpoeta]

7. it costs less than nine months of prenatal care and

a labor and delivery room and all the other stuff that goes along with childbirth.

[renie408]

8. Like kids?? n/t

[ejpoeta]

9. well kids would be included yes. lol.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. You're missing the point

The right-wing here is just doing what it likes to do: Refusing to let a good opportunity to stir up a controversy (where none should logically exist) go to waste, particularly during an election year. In a few months (maybe even weeks), they'll have moved on to something else b/c eventually the furor is going to die down due to the facts coming out and people starting to think more rationally about the situation and the right-wing, having milked everything it can out of it, will move on to the next "manufactroversy".

[renie408]

13. That's weird, cause I thought that was exactly the point I was trying to make.

That this is a non-issue that is being whipped into a frenzy by some members of the media.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. I wasn't disagreeing with you

just adding to

[hedgehog]

12. It really seems to me that the bishops have been

scraping the barrel to come up with a reason to oppose Obama. However, even the very left wing National Catholic Reporter has been publishing news stories suggesting that Catholics who agree with the ruling will still feel that the Church has been dissed. Within its pages, some columnists support the ruling, some support the bishops.

http://ncronline.org/

If it becomes framed as an attempt to deny birth control, the bishops lose. If it gets framed as a religious rights issue, the bishops might steal some voters from Obama on this one.

[fire_guy266]

14. I think this is going to backfire on the TGOP

It's a non issue. Boehner and Cantor were invitedt to the Capital to work on the Affordable Health Care Act. Cantor commented on the length of the bill. Boehner sat there stone faced. If Boehner had actaully read the bill and worked with the president, he might have been able negotiate about this. It's total GOP BS talking points. So, the GOP is against any health insurance that offers contraception? They tried to pull this crap with the Susan G Kohmen charity. It's a losing proposition. I encourage everyone to get on Bohner's Facebook and Twitter and tell him do work on some real issue instead of wasting the money that we are paying him with our hard earned tax dollars. It's important the Boehner knows that many of consider him an idiot. Have you noticed that catholics are having smaller families than they did 20 years ago. Must be a miracle! Immaculate contraception!