The Case Against Bernie Sanders

[underthematrix]

Until very recently, nobody had any cause to regret Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. Sanders is earnest and widely liked. He has tugged the terms of the political debate leftward in a way both moderates and left-wingers could appreciate. (Moderate liberals might not agree with Sanders’s ideas, but they can appreciate that his presence changes for the better a political landscape in which support for things like Mitt Romney’s old positions on health care and the environment were defined as hard-core liberalism.) Sanders’s rapid rise, in both early states and national polling, has made him a plausible threat to defeat Hillary Clinton. Suddenly, liberals who have used the nominating process to unilaterally vet Clinton, processing every development through its likely impact on her as the inevitable candidate, need to think anew. Do we support Sanders not just in his role as lovable Uncle Bernie, complaining about inequality, but as the actual Democratic nominee for president? My answer to that question is no.

Here's the link to an absolutely great timely read. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/case-against-bernie-sanders.html#

These are my issues with Bernie Sanders. He's running for activist in charge. He has not been honest with his supporters especially with those individuals who do not understand the basics of our Representative government. OTOH, Hillary Clinton is running for President of the United States which is why #ImWithHer

[DJ13]

1. Just how bad ARE the internal polls done by the Clinton campaign?

Its really starting to look like a full on panic.

[leftofcool]

3. Actually, they are very good

[underthematrix]

4. So you weren't able to understand the article. OK

Thank you for your comment

[demwing]

11. Understood it fine. Thought it was bullshit.

You didn't have to declare yourself a Clinton supporter, condescending comments like this last post would have been all the clue we needed.

[underthematrix]

21. Thank you for your comment

[demwing]

24. THank you for the shower /nt

[2pooped2pop]

27. thank you for your comment

another grade school standard response I have noticed lately from the terrified Hillary supporters. This kind of dismissiveness is one of the problems with Hillary and why she is so disliked.

[2pooped2pop]

26. yes it is

Have you seen the post on the DLC plans to replace her if Bernie wins the first one or two states? It was mentioned after the last debate and again on Morning Joe, I think. They DO NOT want Bernie at any cost because things will change.

here's one, and I think there is another link to Harold Ford saying pretty much the same thing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128098607

[underthematrix]

30. I don't want Bernie and the majority of Americans will not

want Bernie. We need to KEEP the White House and regain the Senate.

[2pooped2pop]

36. might as well just kill the rest of us then

Really. We can't survive our corporate overlords any longer. They have pretty much taken it all. Hillary will be a slightly slower death for us but in the end we all lose everything. I hope all of the Hillary supporters and the regular republicans don't get the chance to watch someone in their family die or live a life without hope or joy like some of us have been so lucky to have experienced. But if yhey did perhaps they would understand.
Remember when Bush said he would like things like the Saudi do? All dirt poor with a uber rich ruling class and no elections. We are heading that way fast. Of course only if we don't fuck up the planet beyond it's ability to sustain life first.

[artislife]

34. This poster's OP are hilllarious. nt

[trueblue2007]

37. ho ho ho. aren't you just so funny.

[artislife]

38. Why yes, yes I am.

[Dretownblues]

2. The condensation of the Clinton supporters

Is getting old. Those who support Sanders have their reasons. Saying that Sanders supporters don't understand how government and the presidency works and only Clinton supporters are the rational ones does nothing to improve your standing with any Sanders supporters.

[underthematrix]

5. Did you mean CONDEMNATION? Condensation has a very different

meaning. Either way, thank you for your comment

[JonLeibowitz]

8. I think Condescension is meant, which is an ironic misspelling.

[underthematrix]

10. You made me smile. Thank you for your comment.

[Dretownblues]

12. Thanks I meant condescension

[demwing]

14. Condensation works as well

If Team Hillary isn't crying, they're sweating, and if they're not sweating, they're foaming at the mouth.

In any case, with y'all around, GDP gets a little damp.

Thanks for the shower...

[tazkcmo]

6. Exactly.

And they STILL don't get it.

[WillyT]

7. Damn... They Really ARE Worried...

[underthematrix]

9. Thank you for your comment

[JonLeibowitz]

13. I disagree and think he has been very honest about how getting any real change is an uphill battle

And he intends to fight and wants us with him to effect real change. Most Sanders supporters, certainly all at DU, understand this.

I do think you are being condescending with your characterization of the level of knowledge Sanders supporters have about our system of government, and I do not appreciate the tone.

[underthematrix]

16. I understand. Thank you for your comment

[farleftlib]

15. Pitiful

all the same crap I see posted here every day.

A socialist can't win
He hasn't been vetted
He's too radical...unelectable
He can't get anything done with a republican congress...

Blah blah blah...Heard it all before.

Although my favorite twist was this: Things aren't really that bad!

[underthematrix]

17. Thank you for your comment

[draa]

28. Here, I've kept a list. See if any look familiar to you.

He's too old
He's a Jew
He doesn't comb his hair
He's a communist
He's a cranky old man
He's mad all the time
He screams instead of talking
He has a black problem
He has a women problem
He will never win because this country won't elect a socialist(this one is marginally insulting but still)
If he does win he'll cost the Democrats the election
His policies are too extreme(without explaining which ones)
He's not a Democrat(even though he's running as one and has caucused with them for 2 decades)
His voters aren't really Democrats(most of us are old Democrats-32 years in the party myself)
His voters are Republicans
His voters are too far to the left
Only old hippies support him
His supporters are Dude-bros
His supporters are crazy for supporting him(marginally insulting but debatable)
He hasn't done anything in congress
He's a parish to the Democrats and they hate him

[underthematrix]

31. How about just one - UNQUALIFIED

[draa]

32. As opposed to 4,486 unqualified from the Iraq War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[underthematrix]

33. Yes you should get right on that. But be sure to email your outrage

to war criminals Cheney and GW Bush

[draa]

35. I'm ok with that.

As well as locking up every Democrat and Republican currently in congress and out. I'm perfectly ok with that. Each and every one should be in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas right now. That would work fine by me.

As a US Navy Veteran, anyone who would willingly send soldiers into a war of profit should be held accountable. It should also disqualify any candidate from any office above dog catcher.

[John Poet]

41. They've convinced me. I'm for Hillary now...

so I'm now going to contribute my small skills to them...







and

[underthematrix]

18. I posted this great read to all my social media platforms.

Please post to your FB and tweet from original link

[Old Codger]

19. Wow

What a huge pile of bovine excrement

[underthematrix]

20. Thank you for your comment

[Old Codger]

22. OK

Glad you liked it, doesn't even come close to the real description.. But then again ignore is a wonderful tool.

[underthematrix]

23. I didn't write that I liked your comment. I simply

acknowledged that you made a comment.

[Gothmog]

25. Chait was on the Chris Hayes show-All In

He defended the premise of this article very well

[underthematrix]

29. I thought a key sentence in the article was

"The Sanders campaign represents a revolution of rising expectations." The relationship between the rising expectations and the political landscape on which Sanders' is proposing change borders on delusional. But it is not the politician's responsibility to examine the degree the policies can be realistically be implemented. That is the responsibility of the voter.

[Kalidurga]

39. Thank you for your comment

[underthematrix]

40. You're welcome