My mom is worried Bernie winning, will get a Republican elected.

[JRLeft]

She says a lot of middle class white people will vote against him because they do not want to help POC.

She said Bernie is pie in the sky.

There's no converting her.

[RandySF]

1. Your mom is wise.

[JRLeft]

3. My father is backing Bernie.

[RandySF]

27. I'm certain they are wonderful people

But your mom has the better instincts.

[tk2kewl]

32. so correct me here if i'm getting this wrong...

but JRLeft's mom is worried that white folks will vote against bernie because he favors poc, and you agree that that's a good reason not to support him?

[Fawke Em]

39. Wow.

First, you're against fighting for the working class and now you're condoning racism?

Whoa.

[Lancero]

46. Whadda ya know, they DID dust off the ol' 08 playbook.

[JonLeibowitz]

37. Your father is wiser.

[angrychair]

36. S, as a Democrat

You think this person's mom is "wise" by saying :
"She says a lot of middle class white people will vote against him because they do not want to help POC."
You think white Democrats don't want to help POC?

[tk2kewl]

38. my thoughts as well (see above)...

are we missing something?

[JRLeft]

40. There are racist democrats so I understand why she believes it, but I disagree.

[marmar]

47. Hoo boy.

[Lancero]

48. So, you agree that wanting to help PoC makes canidates unelectable?

Huh... Strange, I thought your group was proud to talk about how much better Hillarys plans to help PoC are.

Guess she's unelectable now since she plans to help PoC huh? Or will she be revising those plans now that wanting to help PoC is a bad thing when it comes to electability?

[Still In Wisconsin]

75. Do you Hillbots even listen to what you're saying?

This person just said mom is backing Hillary because Bernie will help people of color and piss off whitey. And you say she is "wise."

It really is just about getting Hillary elected at any cost with you isn't it?

[onecaliberal]

2. With all due respect she has it backwards.

Republicans aren't the only one to vote against themselves

[pipoman]

4. Your mom listens to and believes too many liars.

[JRLeft]

8. My mom is a baby boomer black woman who suffered through a lot of bullshit,

but she's wrong on Bernie.

[pipoman]

11. Yeah, baby boomers have a lot of people whispering in their ears

Most of them wrong

[SheilaT]

15. I'm a baby boomer white woman,

and I've certainly not been through any of the bullshit she has, and I certainly can't pretend I know what it's like to be her, but tell her you know of at least one white lady at least her age (I'm 67) who is firmly in the Bernie camp.

Hope over time you can help her come around to supporting Bernie.

[JRLeft]

16. She will vote for him if is the nominee.

[dsc]

26. sorry you are right

my bad, my very bad.

[JRLeft]

25. My mom is 3 years younger.

[valerief]

5. America would still have slaves if everyone was like your mom.

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If she wants to join the HRC "No We Can't" campaign, that's her choice. While we still have a choice.

[Empowerer]

12. Wow - Bernie may not be an asshole but . . .

[one_voice]

34. +1

they just don't care who they offend. who's undecided and by extension whose vote they may lose. They think they're invincible. Not a second thought to who might be lurking and reading those comments.

the 'king king ain't got shit on me' attitude is gonna bite them in backside.

[Empowerer]

50. Many of them don't seem to have any intention of actually convincing others to vote for their guy

They are so caught up in being in the "cool kids" clique and looking down their noses at anyone who is not with them. They see the Sanders campaign as an exclusive club in which only certain people are good enough to join - everyone else, in their view, is a jerk and they don't want them in the room.

[JRLeft]

13. Not afraid, skeptical.

[dsc]

21. wow just wow

[redwitch]

60. That's very rude.

You might want to pull this one.

[valerief]

67. Done. I removed the offensive "fraidy cat" line. nt

[redwitch]

68. The fraidy cat line wasn't the issue. nt

[valerief]

69. Oh, the Let's Be Afraid of Standing Up for What We Believe part is the issue?

If people don't stand up to oppression, unions will vanish, education will go poof, and slavery (and not just for POC) will return.

Sometimes you have to take the risk.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141317590

Sorry, but you'll have to alert me or put me on Ignore.

[ViseGrip]

6. Show her the polls. That is wise. She'll feel much better!

[JRLeft]

10. She doesn't trust the polls, she expects the racists too vote against their best interests.

She's talking about democrats.

[pipoman]

19. If that were true there is no way Obama could have been elected....

It took an assload of white people including many right of cwnter to elect him. I can understand her incredulity, but it is a different world than even 10 years ago....those who would not vote for a candidate because of race are relatively few and dying off quickly now....

[PatrickforO]

7. That's why we have elections with each person (theoretically, at least) having the opportunity

to vote. In addition, we have a local and state party apparatus whereby a person can leverage their opinion by getting involved.

We're not going to change her vote, but Bernie is getting mine. And my son's. And my two daughters'. My wife has also decided to support Sanders. In addition, many of the people with whom I work support Sanders.

[JRLeft]

9. My sister is pro Hillary too. My brother, father, and I are Bernie all the way.

[NRaleighLiberal]

14. my two best friends say the same thing

then again, they are also loaded ($$$), hate change, and want no part of anything that will mean an extra cent to them. They also see Bernie as meaning a further erosion of the supreme court.

They shake their heads when they see me drive up with my bernie sticker on my truck!

[retrowire]

17. Your mom is stuck in old times.

It's okay though. We all have family like that.

But the truth is, the majority of white people don't want to oppress POC these days. The younger generations have been integrated for a while. People see eye to eye a lot more frequently.

[JRLeft]

22. She doesn't believe all white people, but she believes enough will

vote to prevent POC from benefiting from SBS policies.

[retrowire]

42. Lord I hope not. nt

[JRLeft]

43. +1

[KentuckyWoman]

18. This post makes me sad.

It tells me your Mom believes there is no way for minorities to get fair representation in American government.

I don't say she's wrong.... but I hope we can make enough headway in this regard so that she feels some hope in her lifetime.

[JRLeft]

23. She has her pension, she will be OK, she has SS coming too.

[tk2kewl]

28. well...

i agree that bernie is likely to be a better candidate for minorities. i also believe hillary already has and will do her best to be both the candidate with the Rosa Parks logo and the candidate that tells blm "i will only speak to white people." triangulation to the clintons is like breathing to you and me.

you might point out to her that what seems to be happening is that much of america is sick of politics as usual. that is why both trump and sanders are getting so much traction.

and that thinking-people who are sick of the same-ol-same-ol are coming out for bernie, while the knuckle draggers are going for trump.

they are both also energizing people who often sit out elections. if hillary becomes the democratic nominee, i expect many of these apathetic types to sit it out again, or worse go for trump if he's the republican nominee.

youth are overwhelming going for bernie and if he's not our nominee many of them are likely to bail as well

finally, if hillary is the nominee, the wacky right will come out in droves even if it's to vote for jeb simply because they have a mouth frothing hatred of hillary.

i'm confident bernie gives us the best chance to win in the ge.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. Then she will be voting against her own interests

so she's going to vote for Wall Street?

[JRLeft]

31. She doesn't believe we can change the system. She knows it's corrupt, but

she believes what we have is it. We cannot progress much further.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. that's not much use

[Autumn]

53. Obviously voting is a waste of time.

[Jenny_92808]

30. The polls show that

Bernie does much better against the republicans than Hillary.

So I agree with the post that your mom has it backwards.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Cool story Bruh.

[rbrnmw]

66. Wow you are calling a Sanders supporter a liar?

JRleft is a Sanders supporter

[Skwmom]

41. Bernie is the only one who can win against the Republicans. n/t

[Gothmog]

44. I like Sanders and support many of his positions but I do not think that he is viable

I agree with your mother. Sanders is not viable in the general election

[eridani]

45. No candidate can win without the 63% who stayed home in 2014

Sanders is mobilizing them, and Clinton has nothing for them.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

49. This is a brilliant tactic by Hillary supporters and Fox News

...politics is ugly stuff. You resort to anything, including Fox style fear bating tactics. It turns out Rs are the way they are because they are motivated by fear. Dems, on whole, shouldn't be but those who are found their way to DU.

Fear is irrational, wisdom is quite the opposite. I really don't care what you do, I just care that you're prone to be manipulated by fear and that Hillary supporters are reinforcing it and implying it's rational (wise). Though both choices are good, they have different histories and priorities. What are your values and priorities? Why do you think Bernie can't beat a Republican? Is it too early to make a decision? Things have changed significantly in just the last month. That's making Hillary's supporters very nervous. As a result, they are fear mongering.

I'm in Illinois. There's absolutely no reason for me to panic had I been on the fence. If you have time, take your time. Things are changing rapidly.

Good luck!

[stevenleser]

51. Your mom is right. Bernie's ceiling in a general election is about 43%. nt

[JRLeft]

52. Independents don't even like Hillary.

[stevenleser]

55. That's not the issue. The issue is, once campaigning is done, is she more likeable to them than

Trump or Cruz. We don't know the answer to that yet, but both of those guys have proposed and said very extremist things likely to turn off wide swaths of the electorate and they have said them repeatedly.

What we also know is that consistently polling shows that 50% of the country has said they will not vote for a Socialist candidate. We also know that proposing a middle class tax increase has badly hurt several Democratic Presidential nominee's candidacies.

Both of those issues are ripe for the GOP strategists and those who create their ads to exploit, particularly in combination.

Hillary will have a tough time if nominated. No question about that. Sanders will not be in the ballpark.

[JRLeft]

56. She's losing GE. She doesn't inspire anyone. She won't increase voter turnout.

[MineralMan]

54. I have the same worry, actually.

She is right to worry.

[Still In Wisconsin]

76. Seriously? You're worried that Sanders will help people of color and piss of whitey?

Incredible. You Hillbots will accuse Sanders supporters of being racist, and then appeal to racism when it suits you. It's all about Hillary for you people. Disgusting.

[MineralMan]

81. I believe you have badly

misunderstood what I wrote.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. Hillary Clinton is never going to be the President.

But she's still the most likely winner in the primaries, and that's a damn shame.

[BillZBubb]

58. There is no way you can honestly make that claim.

We don't know which loon the repubs are going to nominate. Hillary would handily beat most of their potential nominees.

If the repubs nominate someone who can pass as a moderate, then Hillary would be in trouble. But do they even have such a potential candidate?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. The GOP candidates are all garbage, but that really doesn't matter.

Clinton would lose to either Trump or Cruz. Republicans have professionally hated her for years. She's no great prize for liberals--she spent last week lying about our candidate. She's not going to win.

[BillZBubb]

61. You are very, very wrong.

She would crush both Trump and Cruz in a general election.

Republicans will end up hating the Democratic nominee whoever that may be. So, Bernie has no advantage there. As for the left, I can't speak for others, but I will totally support Hillary if she is the nominee. I'd love to see Bernie get it, but if he doesn't that won't dissuade me from working to defeat the republican loon.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

62. One of us is wrong, and it may well be me. Still, that's what I actually believe. We'll see. nt

[Still In Wisconsin]

77. I think she would crush trump but Cruz would be a tossup. He's evil, but very smart.

I think she loses big to Rubio.

[bowens43]

63. Hillary will never be president

If she gets the nomination say hello to president trump

[riversedge]

72. Get some new material. That one is old and boring. And WRONG

[Fast Walker 52]

74. I wouldn't say never, but the general election is going to be PAINFUL

The main problem with Hillary is her high negatives and general lack of straight talk.

[Still In Wisconsin]

78. Hillary beats trump... but probably loses to anybody else. She MIGHT have a shot against Cruz.

[Gothmog]

79. Do you want to put some money on that prediction?

You would get very good odds on the Irish brokerage market if you purchase an option agreement on that view

[riversedge]

64. As Aaron Rogers said......

0:05 / 0:16
R-E-L-A-X
coolcoolcool

And tell her it is a not to worry--Hillary has it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. I will just say the hardest thing to do is separate most folks from in their money.

I worked in a small business, maybe ten or so employees, so the owner was the boss... He was kind of a big guy, intense, and scary looking. To describe him further would lead me to traffic in ethnic stereotypes which I am always loathe to do... If one of us screwed up, his hands would literally shake and he would say "it's my f-----g money."

I don't think he would been that upset if a family member was ill...

There is a paradox. Polling suggests that there is a desire for a potpourri of social programs. The same polling suggests these same people want others to pay for it.

I can be disinterested. I haven't had to file tax returns since 2009 since I haven't met the income threshhold.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

70. Well, my parents feel the same way too (they are 82)

And they campaigned for McGovern, and my father supported Kucinich, Harkin, Bill Bradley against Gore, etc....

My mother, however, supported Hillary in '08 (although she likes Obama) and does now. I do think she really wants a woman president.

But they both say America will not vote for a socialist Democrat, even though they support most of his positions.

Once again, I'm undecided. But I can't figure this election out. I just don't get how there are people who want Trump and Bernie as their 1A and 1B, and there are a lot of them.

[LWolf]

71. My mom,

a hardcore lover of all things Clinton until she learned about Bernie Sanders, has dropped HRC like a rock and is enthusiastically supporting Sanders.

Since she doesn't follow politicians and campaigns outside of what she hears on the MSM, she frequently asks me, "Do you think he can really win?"

And I tell her, every time, "Of course he can. He IS winning over one voter at a time, slowly but surely. It won't be easy. It will be a fight, and the outcome certainly isn't guaranteed, but he's got a good chance. Keep helping."

[Fast Walker 52]

73. both my parents are die-hard Bernie supporters since day 1

as am I and my brother...

[Voice for Peace]

80. Just show her the polls that increasingly show Bernie easily beating them.