2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow can any Dems who pay attention to politics still be undecided?
Serious question, please don't respond with snark.
You are either sick of the corporate elites and their chokehold on our country and ready to fight back, or you are okay with the status quo.
I can understand those who are loyal to Martin O'Malley remaining so, but other than that demographic, I don't get it.
What more do undecided Democrats hope to hear that hasn't been discussed already?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I can tell you a whole lot are.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Are there any topics that they believe haven't been fully discussed? Serious question.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I knocked on 60 doors, talked to 16 people, and whole bunch were still undecided and this was in NH.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)This persona thus still fools a lot of people who are less acquainted with the details of her life and political history.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I am only impressed by Martin O'Malley tonight (in the little 30-second moments when they let him speak) than I am with the big guns.
I am not thrilled with Hillary.
I am not thrilled with Bernie, and so, I label myself "undecided."
At the end of the day, with Hillary, it will be more of the same.
At the end of the day, with Bernie, I worry the establishment Dems will even fight him in Congress.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)This is the kind of insight I was looking for.
What other topics can the candidates address, or more fully address, that will help you to decide?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)People on the bottom really don't see much difference between the parties because they know from experience they're going to get shafted either way.
As long as the Democratic leadership plays the "not as bad as the other guy' card, these people aren't going to get motivated.
Many are willing to do something but they haven't been offered a choice beyond R or R-Lite.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Quite Simple actually!
marlakay
(11,500 posts)Met a lot of undecideds
People not involved like us are just getting to know Bernie. They know Hillary because of Bill.
Most didn't even know there was a debate tonight. I told them all about it and Bernie.
blue neen
(12,328 posts)First, I was not ready to be completely engaged on the subject. The election "season" lasts so long, and it is overwhelming to have to think about it for a year or longer.
Secondly, our Primary here in PA is not until April (may be moved up to March this year). A lot can happen between now and then. I realize that it IS now time to pay attention and gather information on issues in order to make an educated decision.
Third, we are blessed to have 3 fantastic candidates, any of whom I would be happy to vote for in the General. Look at the Republicans----their candidates are horrible and unqualified and completely out of touch, but who knows what can happen with the American public.
One of the biggest deciding factors for me will probably be who is the strongest candidate to beat the Republicans. We cannot afford to lose in many ways, including consideration of the Supreme Court.
So there you have an answer delivered without snark. Please, don't anyone deliver any snark or lectures back, as that will not help make up my mind.
Hope that was helpful, and thank you for asking.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)You perfectly answered my questions.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)Sanders has one element to his campaign which is to accept money from a super pac but complain about super pacs. No one like Citizens United but the only way to change things is to win in 2016 and then appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn Citizens United. Sanders' method is to go into the general election at a disadvantage Some candidates are better able to raise the funds necessary to complete. President Obama blew everyone away in 2008 with his small donor fundraising efforts and that made it clear that he was electable. Jeb is trying to do the same on the GOP side with his $100 million super pac.
There are many on this board who doubt that Sanders will be able to compete in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will likely spend another billion. This article had a very interesting quote about the role of super pacs in the upcoming election http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/03/bernie-sanders-grassroots-movement-gains-clinton-machine
I regret the fact the Bernie Sanders has embraced the idea that hes going to live life like the Vermont snow, as pure as he possibly can, while he runs for president, because it weakens his chances and hes an enormously important progressive voice, Lessig said.
President Obama was against super pacs in 2012 but had to use one to keep the race close. I do not like super pacs but any Democratic candidate who wants to be viable has to use a super pac.
Sanders is not going to be viable in the general election and we will lose the only chance we have to change the campaign finance system