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TroyD

(4,551 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:43 AM Sep 2012

Herald poll breaks Warren trend: Brown up 4 : (

Not a reason to panic of course, since Warren has still been ahead in 4 of the last 5 polls, but perhaps a reminder that Brown is not out yet and hard work remains to be done.

9/20/12 6:18 AM EDT

U.S. Sen. Scott Brown has moved into a narrow lead over rival Elizabeth Warren while his standing among Massachusetts voters has improved despite a year-long Democratic assault, a new UMass Lowell/Boston Herald poll shows.

The GOP incumbent is beating Warren by a 50-44 percent margin among registered Bay State voters, a turnaround from the last UMass Lowell/Herald poll nine months ago that had the Democratic challenger leading by seven points. Among likely voters, Brown is leading the Harvard Law professor by a 49-45 percent margin, just within the poll’s 5.3 percent margin of error. ...

Brown is now viewed favorably by 57 percent of registered voters, up nine points from a UMass Lowell/Boston Herald poll conducted in Dec. 2011. Brown’s unfavorable rating actually has dropped six points to 29 percent. He is also drawing 22 percent of voters who say they will vote for President Obama.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/herald-poll-breaks-trend-brown-up-136090.html

http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1061161664&position=1
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Herald poll breaks Warren trend: Brown up 4 : ( (Original Post) TroyD Sep 2012 OP
That was a quick turnaround Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #1
Especially the drop in unfavorables. Seems unlikely. n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #4
Boston Herald endorses McCain (12/20/2007) Boston Herald endorses Bush (2004) Blue Yorker Sep 2012 #2
We should keep an eye on them, but they do have Obama +23 TroyD Sep 2012 #5
GOTV and it won't matter. Vote downticket, 2008 Obama Voters. nt onehandle Sep 2012 #3
A Herald poll? A Herald poll? TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #6
As I said above, they have Obama +23 TroyD Sep 2012 #7
They have Obama +23 because they can't fake that Blue Yorker Sep 2012 #8
Good point TroyD Sep 2012 #11
Read the comments under the Herald's lead story TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #9
The Herald could have hired SurveyUSA Blue Yorker Sep 2012 #10
as you say 4/5 polls is good... WI_DEM Sep 2012 #12
It helps to undersamPle Dems by 10% fugop Sep 2012 #13
Yup, here are the numbers Blaukraut Sep 2012 #15
It's important to keep in mind fujiyama Sep 2012 #14

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
5. We should keep an eye on them, but they do have Obama +23
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:21 AM
Sep 2012

So it's not as if their numbers for Obama are off. Those numbers are bang on what other Obama polls in MA have shown.

Warren does have a 69% chance of winning in Nate Silver's current projection, but he's probably going to have to take it down a few points because of this poll.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
6. A Herald poll? A Herald poll?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:26 AM
Sep 2012

Where was it taken - in their editorial board room?

The Herald is a filthy RW rag, for those unaware of that fact.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
7. As I said above, they have Obama +23
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:31 AM
Sep 2012

So unless they are fixing the results of the Warren-Brown poll, their findings are still plausible. (but hopefully an outlier compared with the 4 other polls).

Btw, tonight is the First Debate between Warren & Brown.

Tune in to cbsboston.com for Live Streaming or watch it on C-Span to support Elizabeth!

 

Blue Yorker

(436 posts)
8. They have Obama +23 because they can't fake that
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:34 AM
Sep 2012

Faking a close poll is easier than a Presidential poll in Massachussets, so much easier that some DU'ers are buying it.
Sometimes Republicans win Senate races in Massachussets. Faking polls in that category is more feasible.

What is the likelihood of 4 outliers vs. one outlier? I wouldn't bet on that.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
11. Good point
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:42 AM
Sep 2012

I'm just saying we should be cautious and not assume the race is in the bag. We need to campaign hard for Warren right up until Nov 6.

Make sure to tune in tonight for Warren's first debate with Brown. I just posted a thread with a Warren campaign poster about the first debate.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
9. Read the comments under the Herald's lead story
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:39 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20120919umassherald_poll_brown_pulling_ahead_of_warren/srvc=home&position=0

That filthy rag caters to nothing but knuckledraggers and other bottom feeders.

And Jon Keller is moderating the debate tonight - he's a well known RW bumkisser of the first order. Watch for Keller to coddle Scott Brown with kid gloves.
 

Blue Yorker

(436 posts)
10. The Herald could have hired SurveyUSA
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:40 AM
Sep 2012

But hiring a conservative college (UMass of Lowell) was more likely to tell them what they wanted.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
12. as you say 4/5 polls is good...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:33 AM
Sep 2012

besides I'm hoping that all those people who vote for Obama will decide in the votiing booth that they will just vote the straight Democratic ticket and if they do--Warren will be carried along over the finish line.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
13. It helps to undersamPle Dems by 10%
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:01 AM
Sep 2012

Diary about this on Daily Kos said the sample was 28% Dem, vs. the Mass. general population with 38% Dems.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
15. Yup, here are the numbers
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012
Sept. 13-17, 2012

RVs by party – Unleaned: D 28% of RVs, I 56%, R 12%
Leaned: D 55% of RVs, I 8%, R 36%
LVs by party – Unleaned: D 28% of LVs, I 56%, R 11%
Leaned: D 56% of LVs, I 7%, R 36%

Dec. 1-6, 2011

Party breaks – Unleaned: D 33% of sample, I 50%, R 12%
Leaned: D 56% of sample, I 11%, R 32%

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
14. It's important to keep in mind
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:04 AM
Sep 2012

that polls may jump around from now to election day.

And we already knew this would be a competitive race. It's a presidential election year in a very blue state. I still give Warren the edge.

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