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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 07:50 PM Jul 2012

Hi everyone. I'm an agnostic and I like you guys.

I like this group, too. Even though I don't post much in here, I am a subscriber and I read here almost every day. I really don't think my views on religion differ too much from most of what I read here. I prefer the "agnostic" label, although some of you and many over in the religion group would probably refer to me as an atheist if I were to share my views on religion. I've referred to myself as an atheist before, but I think agnostic more accurately describes me now days. It also helps keep me out of trouble with my Episcopalian wife. I really do like Jesus, honey.

So keep on doing what you're doing and don't let these labels get in the way. We are all just seeking the truth here and keeping an open mind. I don't think it's all that complicated.



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Hi everyone. I'm an agnostic and I like you guys. (Original Post) Tobin S. Jul 2012 OP
We're all going to the same place, like the hymn says. dimbear Jul 2012 #1
Pass the marshmallows Tobin S. Jul 2012 #2
I'm thinking of the teenagers in the slasher movies. When they realize they're in danger, dimbear Jul 2012 #3
DU does resemble a horror flick in some places sometimes Tobin S. Jul 2012 #5
The flame is hot and long lasting... rexcat Jul 2012 #4
Remember when Woody Allen would say he and his wife split over religious differences dimbear Jul 2012 #6
You are probably onto something there Tobin S. Jul 2012 #7
As far as I am concerned... rexcat Jul 2012 #8
I've never read Dawkins or Gould Tobin S. Jul 2012 #9
One of Gould's best works IMO... rexcat Jul 2012 #10
10-4 Tobin S. Jul 2012 #12
Hi Tobin S. Good to see you here. Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #11
I agree with John Fugelsang on Jesus Kennah Jul 2012 #13
Hi Tobin. I enjoy your frogmarch Jul 2012 #14
Hi Tobin! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #15
Howdy! You're right, it's not all that complicated. onager Jul 2012 #16
I know I am an atheist, because I have no god beliefs. PassingFair Jul 2012 #17
Thanks for the compliment, PF Tobin S. Jul 2012 #18

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
1. We're all going to the same place, like the hymn says.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jul 2012

The mere fact that that place is hell shouldn't interfere with our being a big happy family while we're still breathing.

There's strength in numbers.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
3. I'm thinking of the teenagers in the slasher movies. When they realize they're in danger,
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:11 PM
Jul 2012

they always split up.

Then they get picked off one by one. Except the cutest girl.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
5. DU does resemble a horror flick in some places sometimes
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jul 2012

And we've had some problems here recently, but I still think this is one of the sanest forums on DU. You'd think some of that sanity would rub off on the trolls after a while.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
4. The flame is hot and long lasting...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jul 2012

I am an atheist and I like the agnostics on this forum. My questions is the one in question really an agnostic. His views on evolution are out of bounds as far as I am concerned.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
6. Remember when Woody Allen would say he and his wife split over religious differences
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jul 2012

because he was an atheist and she was an agnostic? Somebody needs to explain that that was a joke.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
7. You are probably onto something there
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

If you bother to read up a little on evolution it doesn't take long to realize that it's about as close to fact as you can get in science. The evidence all points there. We can leave a little room for adjustments and a remote idea that could shake things up, that's about it.

Just stopping and taking a look around and observing reality with as clear a mind as you can seems difficult for many people to do. We all have our baggage and preconceived notions. It might be impossible to completely see reality without bias. But I think we all can see clearly enough to be free of superstition. Why people, intelligent people, hold onto it I'm not sure. But I think we are making progress.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
8. As far as I am concerned...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
Jul 2012

evolution is fact but around the edges is where the "controversy" is but that amounts to <5%. Are you on Dawkins side that evolution is a steady state situation or on Gould's side with puncuated equilibrium plus a couple other minor points.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
9. I've never read Dawkins or Gould
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jul 2012

But I have read Sagan and Shermer and have taken a few science courses at the college level. So I'm not exactly an authority on the matter. I think punctuated equilibrium means that evolution happens in spurts and that would make me a spurtist. So I guess I'm on Gould's side. I've heard some good things about him. I should probably read a book or two of his.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
10. One of Gould's best works IMO...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:28 PM
Jul 2012

is "The Structure of Evolutionary Theory" by Stephen Jay Gould published in 2002 by the Belknap Press of Harvard University Press.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. Hi Tobin S. Good to see you here.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jul 2012


You are smart to keep your wife happy.....I know how happy you were to find her. Atheist, agnostic, it really doesn't matter to me. In fact, believer doesn't matter to me as long as you don't judge me harshly or try to convert me.

Good to hear from you, and don't be a stranger.

Kennah

(14,282 posts)
13. I agree with John Fugelsang on Jesus
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:57 AM
Jul 2012

"I've come to view Jesus in much the way I've come to view Elvis: I love the guy, the fan clubs scare me."

onager

(9,356 posts)
16. Howdy! You're right, it's not all that complicated.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:03 PM
Jul 2012

At least IMO, those who try the hardest to make it complicated fall into 2 camps:

(a) Sophisticated Theologians who want to make sure we've considered every seam and stitch of the Emperor's fine new clothes...before we decide he's not only buck naked, but probably an exhibitionist and weenie-wagger as well.

(b) Faitheists and accomodationists, who have the curious habit of championing non-belief by attacking non-believers relentlessly. While chiding us about being too mean to our "natural allies," the believers.

And the believers are happy to have our support, as long as we Know Our Place. If one message comes thru loud and clear, that one does.

But I'm not bitter...

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
17. I know I am an atheist, because I have no god beliefs.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:50 PM
Jul 2012

I sometimes call myself an agnostic, but only in public, because
the term "atheist" is mis-defined and misunderstood by believers.

The definition of an agnostic as an atheist with an inferiority complex makes me smile,
even as I use the term in public....


On edit: I've always been a fan of your writings and musings on-line.
You have the ability to sweep the reader up and take them along.

Rare.


Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
18. Thanks for the compliment, PF
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

I haven't been consistently writing for a while now. I've just got so much going on in my life right now: Full time job, part time school, keeping up the house, trying to make a baby. I wish I could scratch off the first two and devote all that time to writing, but I haven't been able to make it pay the bills.

I'll tell you what. I'll see about writing a little story just for this group. Check back here later tonight or tomorrow. Satan knows I've gotten plenty of entertainment from this group. I'll give a little back.

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