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daaron

(763 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:13 AM Jun 2012

Meh. Fuck it. I'm going to start calling myself an atheist. Here's why -->

A week and a half ago, I moved back home to Missouri, after years in the diaspora. I've had a particularly complicated journey of belief, raised by an atheist and an agnostic in a world dominated by Christianity. Well, they don't live here, anymore, and my bubble of sanity is gone. My GF is a very weak atheist, and the only family or friends we have are her family and friends, only one of which doesn't attend church. In other words, I'm surrounded by believers who assume I'm Christian, because I've long identified myself as a Christian - an agnostic Christian, maybe, but they don't hear that first word, when I feel comfortable enough saying it, or understand that it means I don't take the Bible in the least bit literally. In fact, I think the Bible is a compendium of myths selectively edited to establish a system of social control, and do not accept the historicity of Jesus, at all. By "Christian," I meant it in the most milquetoast manner possible... sort of Jack Methodist.

But moving back has put my brain in context, and it's squirming like a toad (thx Jim). I'm being inundated by daily devotionals and every conversation at every gathering ends up involving some sort of spiritual mumbo-jumbo. There's nobody (GF aside) with whom to talk about science, art, culture, or history, and the cognitive dissonance I'm experiencing has rapidly become untenable. Something's gotta give, and it's not going to be facts already rattling about in my skull. I need some way to make folks uncomfortable about bringing the fluff up in conversation, and maybe if I call myself an atheist, they'll be afraid to open their big ignorant yaps.

DU has turned into my sanity valve. I come here and read the flame threads and the articles and occasionally I try to say something reasonable, or share something interesting. What I've noticed is that as a self-identified agnostic Christian, I can say the same thing as an angry atheist (with perhaps less chest-poking) and it's received as intended: as a comment and opinion, not a provocation. Well, if I'm going to call myself an atheist in meatspace, I might as well call myself an atheist in cyberspace, too. If I'm willing to face the heat in real life, then facing the heat in this virtual life ought to be a cinch.

Let's see how this goes. I'm kind of curious, I admit, to discover if my opinions and comments here will be treated differently when they're perceived to be coming from a self-identified atheist. I intend to continue my usual writing and arguing style, which I like to think relies on reason and compassion while minimizing snark. I prefer to write a few long posts that attempt (however feebly) to contribute something to a conversation, rather than engage in bumper-sticker barb-trading passed off as 'debate'. When that happens, I end it with a "sudo !!" (very effective). All you Linux geeks out there already understand. For those who have not discovered the joys of open source liberation tech, it means, "Repeat the last thing I typed as super-user." It's the opposite of the white flag.

So, here I am. American irrationality has made one more atheist.

And, Dad, if you're reading this, I miss you.

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Meh. Fuck it. I'm going to start calling myself an atheist. Here's why --> (Original Post) daaron Jun 2012 OP
Welcome to the flock! OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #1
I'm not much of a "community" guy dmallind Jun 2012 #2
Yeah, you're probably right. daaron Jun 2012 #4
I have had to drive into Missouri a couple of times to help my sister and... TruthBeTold65 Jun 2012 #3
You are definitely right about the billboards! daaron Jun 2012 #5
K&R bahrbearian Jun 2012 #6
I end it with a "sudo !!" sudopod Jun 2012 #7
Well, I usually BEGIN it with a "sudo." 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #11
Welcome. laconicsax Jun 2012 #8
LOL! BlueJazz Jun 2012 #12
I still haven't received my card... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #15
Officially, you need to talk to membership about that. laconicsax Jun 2012 #17
Congrats Logical Jun 2012 #9
I never called myself an atheist in NC. Warpy Jun 2012 #10
Try to tattoo the 666 in a prominent place: lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #13
Welcome to the atheist's dark side. Curmudgeoness Jun 2012 #14
Good luck. I truly feel for you. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #16

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
2. I'm not much of a "community" guy
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jun 2012

who follows everybody here and recognizes all their posts wherever they appear, but from what I've noted I suspect most people would be surprised that you didn't consider yourself an atheist before this. I'm betting most people thought you were one.

Angriness is optional, although frequently incited here as elsewhere in this benighted den of superstitious buffoonery that is the USA.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
4. Yeah, you're probably right.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jun 2012

I doubt most Christians would've recognized me as a Christian, had I ever bothered to explain why I call(ed) myself a Christian. Instead, labels are taken at face value. I suppose that's the way it should be.

TruthBeTold65

(203 posts)
3. I have had to drive into Missouri a couple of times to help my sister and...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jun 2012

just driving through it scares the shit out of me. I cannot imagine living there. The christian billboards everywhere give you a sense of how integrated religion is in that state. I would probably have to get the hell out of there before I went crazy. On the bright side you could start using it as a test bed for debating believers. I would love to do that except when you get them with too much logic they do a "Robby the Robot" (from Forbidden Planet) where gets the kill order...they fall into a some sort of feedback loop and shut down...and the conversation ends.

Jeezoids.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
8. Welcome.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jun 2012

The June informational meeting was this past weekend, so you'll have to get on until the July meeting.

Your membership card has been laminated and put in the mail in a discrete brown envelope with your new member packet. Please sign and date forms 1-4 and 7 and bring them with you to the general meeting on the 18th. Forms 5 and 6 need to be completed and mailed directly to the main office for the Global Atheist Conspiracy.

It's customary for new members to bring a newly baptized baby to their first general meeting for the ritual sacrifice to our atheist god. When selecting a baby, remember: Protestant babies burn hotter but Catholic babies burn longer.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
17. Officially, you need to talk to membership about that.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jun 2012

Unofficially, the easiest way to get things moving is to brown-nose the Supreme Soviet.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
10. I never called myself an atheist in NC.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jun 2012

Nobody is more violent than a southern right wing fit throwin holy rollin church lovin Christian who thinks a mean old atheist is going to take his binky away and there were a lot more of them than there were of me.

I just called myself a heathen and left it at that. My social calendar there was pretty blank, anyway, since I was a failure at pretending to be the sweet flower of young southern womanhood.

I fled to Boston in the late 60s. I found out it was them, not me.

Now I'm old and plenty strong enough to stand up to those godly haters. However, in the interest of not getting my place firebombed, I'd still be a heathen to them.

IOW, self identify in the buckle of the Babble Belt at your own risk.

ETA: Laconicsax has covered all the membership documentation. You can pick up your pirate flag, fetus recipes and rubber chicken at the desk in the lobby.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
13. Try to tattoo the 666 in a prominent place:
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:48 PM
Jun 2012

They hate us more when they think we're pretenders.

Dye your hair green or red. No one will see the horns.

Welcome to awake! Feels good, don't it?!

Think of all those brain cells you can reclaim, and not waste, trying to make the voo-doo make sense.

You will feel lighter, and sleep better. What a relief!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
14. Welcome to the atheist's dark side.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jun 2012

If you are really believing that you are an atheist, you have every right to let people know if you choose. But I would not do it as a little experiment to see how they will treat you differently. You will find that they will not just leave you alone---there is often more religious talk and it is all aimed directly at you. They will want to pray for you, they will want to convince you or the error of your ways, and you will get every idiot email about angels and god.

But if you are sure that you are an atheist, go for it. You may also find that there are a lot more people in the closet than you would expect----I have. They will not admit it to the world, but when you admit it, they will confide to you that they also do not believe in god.

Good luck.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
16. Good luck. I truly feel for you.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:41 PM
Jun 2012

Most of my time in MO has been spent driving and trying to find a good radio station. Last thing I'd be talking about would be religion.

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