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I am too logical to understand Christians. (Original Post) Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 OP
Amen! vishnura Aug 2023 #1
Ah, but God answers all prayers. Glorfindel Aug 2023 #2
welcome to my world, lol gay texan Aug 2023 #3
but, but, but,,,,, KarenS Aug 2023 #4
Exactly Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #15
A huge part of the problem is that proto-orthodoxy and then Orthodoxy took writings by Gnostics Karadeniz Aug 2023 #5
Gobbledegook (sp?) NoRethugFriends Aug 2023 #6
This Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #16
Oh, but god works in strange ways. That was the BS they used to tell me. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2023 #7
"..god works in strange ways." In other words, shit happens. n/t spike jones Aug 2023 #8
Yep!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2023 #10
If god is omniscient... PJMcK Aug 2023 #9
I never understood their prayers because it was always "God, do this. Do that. Do this" demigoddess Aug 2023 #11
God sent His only Son to walk among us and show us The Way. Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #12
LOL Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #17
Archaic animal sacrifices are at the cultural heart of a lot of the modern beliefs of Christianity Proud to be Woke Aug 2023 #13
Communion is a remnant of blood sacrifice. The wafer is transformed to the Flesh of Christ, Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #19
Logic and belief have nothing to do with each other Warpy Aug 2023 #14
Nor can I warpy, nor can i. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #18

KarenS

(4,082 posts)
4. but, but, but,,,,,
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:09 AM
Aug 2023

If god is all knowing and all powerful, then the things that happen are what god wants/intends to happen so I really don't understand the praying 'for' something,,,,

Karadeniz

(22,543 posts)
5. A huge part of the problem is that proto-orthodoxy and then Orthodoxy took writings by Gnostics
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:11 AM
Aug 2023

literally. Also, Orthodoxy can't make any sense of the truths hidden in the parables because their meanings don't conform to dogma. In the parables, we find that the ultimate Source does NOT intervene in earthly affairs. Our souls act as God's agents. We can ask the God System to strengthen our souls, but not to do our jobs !!!

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
9. If god is omniscient...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:34 AM
Aug 2023

… then why did it create humans with a built-in flaw? Shouldn’t it have known?

Religions fall apart as soon as you use a critical and logical viewpoint. Then you see the inanity

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
11. I never understood their prayers because it was always "God, do this. Do that. Do this"
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:43 PM
Aug 2023

if God is all powerful why do you TELL him what to do? why don't you ASK him??

Midnight Writer

(21,771 posts)
12. God sent His only Son to walk among us and show us The Way.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 03:07 PM
Aug 2023

We tortured and killed Him.

And that's how we were forgiven for our sins.

What is not logical about that?

Proud to be Woke

(52 posts)
13. Archaic animal sacrifices are at the cultural heart of a lot of the modern beliefs of Christianity
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 05:59 PM
Aug 2023

When I was a kid, I sometimes went to church; a few months after my mom died from a terminal disease my older sister was talking to Dad and I about the heart transplant that Dr. Christian Barnard over in South Africa had just successfully performed, and what happened to the soul in such a case.. isn't the soul in the heart? My dad sat us two (12 and up and old enough to comprehend a lot of this), and explained in logical and historical based terms the origins of Christianity and a lot of other religions also. He was not a church goer the way mom was, and he was kind of an agnostic, he believed that God was possible and maybe probable but God was not necessarily tied in with Christianity! He also explained that the soul is not in the heart.

My father and I would have some interesting discussions in the years that followed. He explained that Christ was a religious reformer who wanted the animal sacrifices to stop, and for his trouble he had a conflict with the Hebrew establishment that led ultimately to them not taking his side to save him from being killed by the Romans. Of course, ultimately the Christians and the Jews stopped sacrificing animals by killing and then burning them. It dawned on me many years later that the expression "lamb of God" meant Jesus was the new sacrificial lamb. I don't personally understand why sacrifice is such a vital part of Christianity in our modern times because modern Christians do not burn animals on altars and neither do Jews. It just is not something that we grow up with. But the archaic notion that someone must sacrifice something in that religion persists.

Midnight Writer

(21,771 posts)
19. Communion is a remnant of blood sacrifice. The wafer is transformed to the Flesh of Christ,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:39 AM
Aug 2023

and the wine becomes the Blood of Christ.

Which we eat in a regular ceremony to gain favor with God.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
14. Logic and belief have nothing to do with each other
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:14 PM
Aug 2023

My problem is a fully functional bullshit detector. Even when I was a kid, the crap I heard in Catholic school pinned it.

Of course, I am also logical, the A in symbolic logic (heavy on the Lewis Carroll) proves it. Still, the bullshit detector prevents me from being religious. I just can't do it.

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