The construction of a telescope in Hawaii is controversial, because religion
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After seven years of due process, the initial phase of construction for the TMT (thirty meter telescope) on Mauna Kea is being blocked by protests. Activitists claim the mountain is "sacred", and are demanding the project be stopped. Native Hawaiians are on both sides of this issue, with some on the side of the science of discovery that allowed Hawaiians to be here in the first place, and others claiming that cultural and spiritual practices are more important. Plenty of references to god, most likely the one introduced by the missionaries, but also the ancient gods of early Hawaiians. No word on the fate of the thirteen telescopes that are already on the mountain.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/hundreds-turn-out-oppose-tmt
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They have the technology.
--imm
If artifacts/ruins/burial grounds were being disturbed I would sympathize with native Hawaiians, but this is about what a few claim their gods want. There are no species that will be adversely affected - the site is above 4000 meters, pretty sure the spiders and lichens don't mind sharing- and you won't be able to see the telescope unless you're very near the summit.
Not to mention the fact that there are already more than a dozen telescopes up there.
The big protest thread in GD was shameful, they compared the TMT to strip mining, claimed they were stealing land from native Hawaiians and even called it a war crime for fucks sake. Talk about clueless people and their idiotic causes du jour.
I only hope I live long enough to see the images from the TMT, from what I understand they'll make the Hubble images look like Polaroids.
Here's some info from the TMT site:
A 30-meter telescope, operating in wavelengths ranging from the ultraviolet to the mid-infrared, is an essential tool to address questions in astronomy ranging from understanding star and planet formation to unraveling the history of galaxies and the development of large-scale structure in the universe.
The 30-meter aperture permits the telescope to focus more sharply than smaller telescopes by using the power of diffraction of light. The large aperture also collects more light than smaller scopes, allowing images of fainter objects. TMT will therefore reach further and see more clearly than previous telescopes by a factor of 10 to 100 depending on the observation.
In addition to providing nine times the collecting area of the current largest optical/infrared telescopes (the 10-meter Keck Telescopes), TMT will be used with adaptive optics systems to allow diffraction-limited performance, i.e., the best that the optics of the system can theoretically provide. This will provide unparalleled high-sensitivity spatial resolution more than 12 times sharper than what is achieved by the Hubble Space Telescope. For many applications, diffraction-limited observations give gains in sensitivity that scale like the diameter of the mirror to the fourth power, so this increase in size has major implications.
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Exploration of galaxies and large-scale structure in the young universe, including the era in which most of the stars and heavy elements were formed and the galaxies in today’s universe were assembled. TMT will allow detailed spectroscopic analysis of galaxies and subgalactic fragments during the epoch of galaxy assembly. Observations with TMT will help answer questions about the early production and dispersal of the chemical elements, the distribution of baryons within dark matter halos and the processes of hierarchical merging of subgalactic fragments.
The early epoch of the formation and development of the large-scale structures that dominate the universe today should also be observable with the TMT. Studies of the matter power spectrum on small spatial scales, using direct observations of distant galaxies and the intergalactic medium (IGM), provide information on the physics of the early universe and the nature of dark matter that are inaccessible using any other techniques.
Investigations of massive black holes throughout cosmic time. The recently-discovered tight correlation between central black hole mass and stellar bulge velocity dispersion strongly implies that black hole formation and growth is closely tied to the processes that form galaxies. This result also suggests that super massive black holes are at the centers of most or all large galaxies. The TMT combination of high spatial resolution and moderate-to-high spectral resolution will extend our capability to detect and investigate central black holes to cosmological distances. In addition to investigations designed to understand the black hole-galaxy growth issue, nearby supermassive black holes can be analyzed with very high physical resolution. This will allow us to measure general relativistic effects at the center of the Galaxy and to spatially resolve the accretion disks for active black holes in the centers of galaxies to the distance of the Virgo cluster.
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Furthermore, as has been the case for every previous increase in capability of this magnitude, it is very likely that the scientific impact of TMT will go far beyond what we envision today and TMT will enable discoveries that we cannot anticipate.
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spectacular!
Is it too late for you to go back to school and become an astronomer? 
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