It has finally happened!

[Promethean]

I got my first hide. All because I have some crazy idea that we should learn a lesson from what is happening in Europe instead of letting it repeat itself here.

[Trajan]

1. You get your second with your first ...

Going for three ?

[Promethean]

4. I don't mind.

I've had this account since 2012 and have less than 300 posts. Losing posting privileges for a while will far from kill me.

[FiveGoodMen]

2. It was close (I was one of the Leave It's)

On Thu Mar 19, 2015, 05:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This isn't a clear cut as it seems.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=187191

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is completely islamophobic and hateful. This has no business on this site. He is actually voicing support for a grossly discriminatory piece of legislation because "muslims have demonstrated they cannot be trusted in this regard."
Despicable.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 19, 2015, 05:37 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I would hide. This legislation has zero to do with what is going on in Europe, which is more problematic.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Promethean]

3. Juror 6.

Why would they ignore whats happening in Europe just because its Europe? We should be trying to learn from what is happening in Europe. Not dismissing it.

[Curmudgeoness]

5. Since I fear any religion getting too much power,

I tend to agree with you although I would not have put it quite the way you did. I say that if (big IF) Muslims are ignoring US laws and enforcing their own sharia laws instead, that is a problem that should be dealt with, however, I also think that Irvine TX is over-reacting at this point and are just trying to fan the flames of fear. I also fear when the Christians impose their ideas into the laws of this country.

Wonder who alerted on this. Hmmm.

[LostOne4Ever]

6. I am pretty sure you got your hide because you said:

muslims have demonstrated they cannot be trusted in this regard

[font size=4 color=teal face=Georgia]You shouldn't broadbrush an entire group like that. You need to put in quantifiers to limit it only to the people who are doing those things. Even Bill Maher and Sam Harris repeatedly said, "not all muslims" when they made their points.

As far as the rest of your post, I don't know what is going on in Europe; but I do know that there are right wingers who are pushing idiotic ideas like Birmingham being a "no go" zone in Britain.

So I am going to reserve judgement on your particular claims till I get more evidence and accounts from people who actually live in Europe. When right wingers start proposing things that sound completely unbelievable, they usually are.

Not to accuse you of being a RWer, but rather to explain why I am skeptical.[/font]

[Promethean]

7. Heres what I was able to find in a couple quick searches.

Muslims demanding the sale of alcohol be banned with the penalty of 40 lashes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-brick-lane-protest-muslim-2926404

Female Genital Mutilation in the UK.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/06/female-genital-mutilation-parties-uk-mps

These aren't crazy right wing websites. Yes people are responding in extreme ways to what is happening. However I also have zero doubt that if the UK muslims could turn the country into a theocracy they would.

[thesquanderer]

8. There are also Christians who would turn this country into a theocracy if they could.

What shall we do about them?

[AlbertCat]

9. What shall we do about them?

Report them to the administrators?

[FiveGoodMen]

15. Stop them.

By any means necessary.

The single worst thing that could possibly happen to the human race is another millennium or more swimming around in the septic tank of religious domination.

Another comet to wipe us all out would be better than that.

[Promethean]

16. Thank you.

You nearly match my own thoughts. I think about what we could have done or do with all the effort we've put into and will put into religion. Just think of all the hours and money individuals spend on religion that if they had spent on research we might have wiped out some horrible diseases or developed more efficient clean technology. All that time and money spent bowing down to an imaginary friend is effectively wasted. Religion is holding humanity back and I oppose its encroachment on secular advancement in all its forms.

[Hissyspit]

13. Oh, for the love of... It's called bigotry.

Yeah, it should have been hidden.

[Binkie The Clown]

10. Those who don't learn from history...

are doomed to repeat it in summer school if they expect to graduate.

There is an old Chinese proverb that says you can only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be. In forums such as this you can only be as rational as the hair-on-fire contingent will allow you to be. I've only served on six or seven juries in my short time here, but I've seen some real doozies where people are accused of the most heinous atrocities because they posted an opinion contrary to the opinion of the alerter. There apparently are a handful of people here who take extreme offense at the drop of a hat. That's a shame, really. (Watch me get hidden for pointing out the obvious)

On edit: Full disclosure: Upon deeper investigation, I'm quite sure I would also have voted to hide the particular post in question.

Now if only we could get posts hidden due to use of a logical fallacy! That would be something worth doing!!!

[mountain grammy]

11. America may be taken over by religious extremists

but I'm sure they won't be Muslim. Would the new law apply to, gasp, Christians?

I would have not hidden your post, but I would have responded. Show me a link, but I see some here, which I will check out.

I think this mayor and the state legislators are out of their minds.

[mountain grammy]

12. OK, I read your links and don't get it...

the female mutilation takes place all over the world, and, yes, the parents should be held responsible under existing child abuse laws. The other is 60 people protesting liquor stores. Kind of like those who protest in front of Planned Parenthood, but they usually aren't Muslim. Where's the fear of Sharia law?

[mr blur]

14. u

I accept that I could be wrong.

Where do you get your information?

Perhaps you should be more worried about what the religious loonies and right-wing crazies (often, it seems, the same thing) are doing in your very own Land of the Free.

I think Religion has a grip on your country that would shock and terrify your average European (who can tell the people they work with and members of their family that they are atheists without fear of losing their jobs or being cut out of the will)

[Promethean]

17. I have empathy and care about the effects religion is having on my fellow humans overseas.

I also see a bunch of great reasons to stop that particular form of crazy from getting a foothold here.

Why do you assume I am not just as strongly anti-christian? How would you come to such a conclusion based on a couple of posts? I am not allowed to be opposed to all religion?

[mr blur]

18. My subject line, which seems to have disappeared, was -

Do you actually know "what is happening in Europe"?

I don't assume you are "not just as strongly anti-christian"

Of course you are "allowed to be opposed to all religion". I am, as are many here.

I'm just sick of hearing Americans pontificating about "what is happening in Europe", that's all.

[haikugal]

19. Hear, hear...

We have more than enough opportunity in the USofA to address our own subjugation by the Christian privileged. Europe is far ahead of us in having perspective. They suffered for hundreds of years because of religion.