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We need to stop being so aggressive and confrontational... (Original Post) Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 OP
Clearly making comments on the Internet is on par with burning people at the stake. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #1
And calling the things that people believe "stupid" is on par with pogroms... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #2
Just don't draw cartoons... AlbertCat Jan 2015 #6
Right! If you insult the Religion of Peace Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #20
It also scares millions of people away from the Democratic Party... trotsky Jan 2015 #10
Yep. And never let it be forgot... onager Jan 2015 #16
How could we forget that, since it's what we all believe? trotsky Jan 2015 #18
Oh never mind us. We are just a small group of haterz. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #4
That is actually surprisingly true. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #9
Even fundie programs churn out the occasional skeptic. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #13
Daniel Dennett, with Linda LaScola, did a book about that.... AlbertCat Jan 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #8
If we aren't, who will be? Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #11
They say the same thing to uppity women, lgbt/black people and other minorities. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #14
"You can stand up for yourself, but gosh, you need to be nice about it..." Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #15
Exactly. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #19
I'm coming with you. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #23
Oh, nevermind. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #17
Sorry, aggressive and confrontational is what comes out when I'm presented with mr blur Jan 2015 #21
It reminds of me of a Mark Twain quote: Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #24
Listened to a whole bunch of fantastic F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #22
"Well behaved women seldom make history" Lordquinton Jan 2015 #25
Fuck tone. Iggo Jan 2015 #26

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
2. And calling the things that people believe "stupid" is on par with pogroms...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

...genocide, concentration camps, and the like. One necessarily leads to the other... or so I'm told.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. It also scares millions of people away from the Democratic Party...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jan 2015

and makes them vote Republican. I'm sure it does, because, well, somebody said it does.

onager

(9,356 posts)
16. Yep. And never let it be forgot...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jan 2015

We only hate religious people because it's no longer fashionable for us to hate gays and racial minorities.

So non-believers are basically a bunch of undead Strom Thurmonds with Internet access.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
18. How could we forget that, since it's what we all believe?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015

I am so thankful to that poster for pointing it out. Really cool. Oh wait, did I say cool? I meant hateful and ignorant and prejudiced and stupid. Sorry about that.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Oh never mind us. We are just a small group of haterz.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jan 2015

All the good atheists are busy going to church and being religious so that nobody feels bad.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
12. Even fundie programs churn out the occasional skeptic.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jan 2015

Both Bart Ehrmann and Robert Price both went into seminary as Evangelicals. Ehrmann's now "agnostic" and Price is a fire-breathing atheist.

Knowing what we know about the Bible, it has to be incredibly difficult to study the textual history of the book at a scholarly level and maintain the illusion that the Christian religion is a legitimate revelation from God. Just studying the history of the Early Christian church should poke more than a few holes in a person's faith.

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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. If we aren't, who will be?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jan 2015

Who will stand up against religion seeping into all aspects of our lives?

I am only surprised that so many people who are not the few but vocal fundamentalist evangelicals are not just as upset as we are.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. They say the same thing to uppity women, lgbt/black people and other minorities.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jan 2015

Sit down and shut up or we'll throw you under the bus.

And then every election season they chuck the properly deferential under there with the rest of us anyway.

Fuck that, I'm going down fighting.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
15. "You can stand up for yourself, but gosh, you need to be nice about it..."
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

"...if you criticize people, they shut down."

Like these people aren't shut down already. Like we were making a lot of progress all those years ago when we were content to remain invisible.

Fuck that noise. I'm with you: I'm going down with my boots on.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Exactly.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jan 2015

"I'm no longer an atheist who says you believe your way and I'll believe mine. For we have come to see the full and true face of religion in these three years, emotional and psychological reprisals were taken against us, physical assaults were made against us, economic sanctions were taken against us, the order for instance to fire me was issued just twenty four hours after I filed the appeal in the US supreme court and no one will ever convince me that it was sheer coincidence I lost my job then, and in the circumstances that occurred.

We have found that religion is a vicious hate ridden thing, that it is perhaps the most evil thing in America today when it is rawly and openly exposed to the persons who fight it. We carried our battle above board legally and the religionists carried on their battle in a dirty underhanded warfare. I am proud to be an atheist now, a fighting atheist, a militant atheist."

-- Madalyn Murray O'Hair

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
21. Sorry, aggressive and confrontational is what comes out when I'm presented with
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jan 2015

irrational, smug and ignorant.

What can I do? I blame the pope.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
24. It reminds of me of a Mark Twain quote:
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jan 2015

"A man who picks a cat up by the tail learns a lesson he can learn no other way."

I like to think we're cats. Though, I suppose the same would apply with goats.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
22. Listened to a whole bunch of fantastic
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

youth and other speakers at a community panel featuring John Carlos last night. It was a panel discussing racism and activism, and you know what? Not once did any of them say, "It's time to be nice and ask politely for what we want". Nope. That's a bunch of crap. They've been doing that for 200 years now and they're still not free. They said agitation was the key. Get in people's faces, make them aware of the issues, piss them off. Just don't let them sit there doing their thing while others suffer.

This may have been referring to racism, but it's a good idea for activism in general.

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