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PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:56 PM Jan 2015

Religion invades GD, and most DU posters are even bigger jerks than we are!



After being scolded and chastised for YEARS for my positions as a "militant atheist"
on DU, it is gratifying to see non-A&A atheists posting in response
to religious questions in GD.

It's a free-for-all!



Oh look! There's a POLL now!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6097760#
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Religion invades GD, and most DU posters are even bigger jerks than we are! (Original Post) PassingFair Jan 2015 OP
Somebody's theory about the masses of good atheists here just sank. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #1
The "tone" of the posts is refreshing! PassingFair Jan 2015 #3
Oh yeah, I LOVE it when religious shit gets posted in GD. I don't put any there myself because of AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #2
A tale of hosting. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #4
I know! We are downright "angelic" compared to a lot of those non A&A DUers. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #21
The assholes make me more and more "militant" with each of their nasty replies. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #5
Many are used to being nasty to us PERSONALLY. PassingFair Jan 2015 #6
I just ran into this related graphic on the FFRF Facebook page. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #8
The comments in that thread Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #7
About that poll Cartoonist Jan 2015 #9
Hmm...I just clicked on "Show Usernnames" progressoid Jan 2015 #10
Agnostic. Has always said so. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #11
If anyone around here is "militant", it's the Agnostics! MindPilot Jan 2015 #12
I embrace agnosticism. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #13
Here, this may help... onager Jan 2015 #16
Surely you jest. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #18
Satire? onager Jan 2015 #19
Oh p-shaw! LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #20
And this guy was a near-martyr... onager Jan 2015 #22
It's truly frightening to see what happens when religion and nationalism converge to silence the LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #23
Ah, thanks. progressoid Jan 2015 #17
I was admonished wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #14
It's funny that bible passages can be metaphorical but the characters (god) in the bible can't. progressoid Jan 2015 #15
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. Somebody's theory about the masses of good atheists here just sank.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

Then again that ship never sailed to begin with, it was more like a bathtub toy.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. Oh yeah, I LOVE it when religious shit gets posted in GD. I don't put any there myself because of
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jan 2015

the rules, but when one gets there, oh boy, I'm there with popcorn and bells on.

They think *I* don't like religion? Try the general populace of DU. AHAHAHAAAA

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. A tale of hosting.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jan 2015

One of my posts in gd was locked, the one about disrespecting every religion.

I sent the locking host a pm saying basically "WTF there are 50 other religion posts in gd". Heard nothing back, didn't expect to. Then the next morning Nancy Rants her gd post about respecting all religions so I alerted on it and pointed out just how inconsistent this was and that during a REALLY BIG EVENT the rules in GD are supposed to change. So of course the host locked Nancy's post too, because hosts like to lock shit up. So I pm'd the locking host for that thread and said "WTF? WTF? the point wasn't to lock Nancy's thread, the point was to stop making DU suck." And got told that hosting was very difficult and all they could do was make DU suck so stop complaining, or something like that. And then Skinner intervened and told them to stop being dicks and unlock everything.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
5. The assholes make me more and more "militant" with each of their nasty replies.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jan 2015

They are not the "salt of the earth" (unless that was meant to imply they are really harmful to one's blood pressure), they solidify my position that religion certainly does not make you a better person. In fact, it often does the opposite.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
6. Many are used to being nasty to us PERSONALLY.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jan 2015

When they attack someone new, it backfires on them.

I almost feel badly for them.



Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
7. The comments in that thread
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jan 2015

make Religion look like a tea party. I am always surprised at the number of non-believers who are here but who do not come to our little room.

progressoid

(50,000 posts)
10. Hmm...I just clicked on "Show Usernnames"
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jan 2015

Seems to me there might be a couple people bearing false witness.

Look under "I am not a believer and the answer is definitely" Someone is saying she's not a believer?

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
12. If anyone around here is "militant", it's the Agnostics!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jan 2015

Agnostic means one of two things.

1) God exists but does so outside of the limits of human understanding.

2) I don't know and neither do you.

In reality, we are all agnostic in that presented with verifiable evidence, believes and opinions would change to align with the new evidence. "So, Jesus, during the ascension, do you feel g-forces, and do you get cold as you pass though higher altitudes?"

But since we have become rather cynical regarding the literal mountains of non-evidence presented over the past several thousand years, the new trend seems to be to claim superiority as an "agnostic" in order to claim that atheists are just as bad as fundies. Personally I'm very skeptical of any post that begins with "I'm a ______ but,"

(I said "literal mountains" because I've been told that mountains prove god's existence since they are there or something.)

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
13. I embrace agnosticism.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jan 2015

When faith really does move a literal mountain, I will repent of my disbelief.

I'm not sure what people mean when they use the word "militant". If I were pressed to define what is meant, I would say it is speaking publicly in a critical way about a different world view than my own. With that definition in mind, one can be militantly tolerant, I suppose.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
18. Surely you jest.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jan 2015

Militant atheists have done some really bad things. Really.bad.things.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/07/29/radical-atheists-kill-29-in-middle-east-suicide-bombing/

It may be necessary at this juncture to point out that the above is satire.

onager

(9,356 posts)
22. And this guy was a near-martyr...
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jan 2015

The Egyptian blogger Kareem Amer. I was living in his hometown, Alexandria, when he got arrested and tried. His was the first case involving Internet Blasphemy in Egypt.

Some comments from the Wiki article and stuff I remember, just to show (again) how weird things get in the Middle East:

Amer was charged with:
--Atheism, due to some blog posts, such as "There is no God except the human being"
--Spreading information and malicious rumors that disrupt public security
--Defaming the president of Egypt
--Incitement to overthrow the regime based upon hatred and contempt
--Incitement to hate "Islam" and to breach public peace standards
--Highlighting inappropriate issues that harm the reputation of Egypt and spreading these publicly


Fun Fact - in Egypt you can also be arrested for "insulting the Armed Forces." Or at least you could under the old Constitution. If arrested in Cairo, you might end up jugged at the Citadel - a fortress built by Saladin when he was fighting Crusaders. With MANY dungeons and cells underground. WAY underground. Allegedly, like outer space, a place where nobody can hear you scream...

Amer first came to the attention of Egyptian authorities after he published a series of blog writings highly critical of the Muslim role in the deadly sectarian riots in Alexandria in 2005, the result of a play performed at a Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, and the violent reaction of the Muslim community over the play's 'insult to Islam'.


I lived in Alexandria during those riots. They killed/injured several people and damaged an architectural/historic landmark, St. George's Coptic Xian church.

The "play" was a RUMOR about a play performed at the church TWO YEARS EARLIER. The play SUPPOSEDLY showed a devout Muslim converting to Xianity. It was ALLEGEDLY distributed on DVD around Alexandria to try and convert Muslims.

Rumors most likely true - the whole story was cooked up by a Muslim Brotherhood political candidate, running in the 2005 elections (the first elections since 1981, IIRC). The MB candidate was trailing badly and needed a hot-button issue.

Early in 2006, Amer was expelled from al-Azhar University, Damanhour Campus, for criticizing some of the university's conservative instructors, writing in his blog that the "professors and sheikhs at al-Azhar who ... stand against anyone who thinks freely" would "end up in the dustbin of history". He also posted writings that promoted secularism and women's rights.


I passed thru Damanhour twice a day on my commute to work. The place has some interesting historical sites, but my Egyptian friends warned me not to EVER go walking around there by myself. The city is a hotbed of radical madrasas and Islamic fundies. Including that satellite campus of al-Azhar University - the oldest Islamic university in the world, with its main campus in Cairo.

Damanhour is one of the very few cities that still has its ancient Egyptian name. Damanhour means "city of Horus."

The blogger's father, Nabil Sulaiman, mocked the human rights organizations which tried to release his son. He called for applying Islamic Law "allowing him to repent within three days before killing him if he will not", according to the Egyptian newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm.


Got that? His OWN FATHER asked the court to execute him if he didn't repent. For your "Ain't Religion Wonderful!" file...

On February 22, the judge said (Amer) was guilty and would serve three years for insulting Islam and inciting sedition, and one year for insulting Mr Mubarak. An appeals court upheld the sentence on March 13, 2007.


Hmm. Given the events of 2011, they could have at least rescinded the "insulting Mr. Mubarak" part of the sentence. But Amer served his full term and later took part in the "Arab Spring" protests.



LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
23. It's truly frightening to see what happens when religion and nationalism converge to silence the
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jan 2015

rational voice. If we, here, serve no other purpose, as least we do comprise one voice in opposition to such a thing happening here.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
14. I was admonished
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jan 2015

as a "literalist" for stating a bible quote ... Just read a support for Frankie's punch quote - he was being metaphorical not literal

Is there anything in that religion one can take at freakin' face value?



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