Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumReligion invades GD, and most DU posters are even bigger jerks than we are!
After being scolded and chastised for YEARS for my positions as a "militant atheist"
on DU, it is gratifying to see non-A&A atheists posting in response
to religious questions in GD.
It's a free-for-all!
Oh look! There's a POLL now!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6097760#
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Then again that ship never sailed to begin with, it was more like a bathtub toy.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)I imagine we are looking pretty saintly by comparison!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)the rules, but when one gets there, oh boy, I'm there with popcorn and bells on.
They think *I* don't like religion? Try the general populace of DU. AHAHAHAAAA
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)One of my posts in gd was locked, the one about disrespecting every religion.
I sent the locking host a pm saying basically "WTF there are 50 other religion posts in gd". Heard nothing back, didn't expect to. Then the next morning Nancy Rants her gd post about respecting all religions so I alerted on it and pointed out just how inconsistent this was and that during a REALLY BIG EVENT the rules in GD are supposed to change. So of course the host locked Nancy's post too, because hosts like to lock shit up. So I pm'd the locking host for that thread and said "WTF? WTF? the point wasn't to lock Nancy's thread, the point was to stop making DU suck." And got told that hosting was very difficult and all they could do was make DU suck so stop complaining, or something like that. And then Skinner intervened and told them to stop being dicks and unlock everything.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)They are not the "salt of the earth" (unless that was meant to imply they are really harmful to one's blood pressure), they solidify my position that religion certainly does not make you a better person. In fact, it often does the opposite.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)When they attack someone new, it backfires on them.
I almost feel badly for them.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)make Religion look like a tea party. I am always surprised at the number of non-believers who are here but who do not come to our little room.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)It doesn't look as though the poster is getting the desired result.
progressoid
(50,000 posts)Seems to me there might be a couple people bearing false witness.
Look under "I am not a believer and the answer is definitely" Someone is saying she's not a believer?
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)As in one can't know.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Agnostic means one of two things.
1) God exists but does so outside of the limits of human understanding.
2) I don't know and neither do you.
In reality, we are all agnostic in that presented with verifiable evidence, believes and opinions would change to align with the new evidence. "So, Jesus, during the ascension, do you feel g-forces, and do you get cold as you pass though higher altitudes?"
But since we have become rather cynical regarding the literal mountains of non-evidence presented over the past several thousand years, the new trend seems to be to claim superiority as an "agnostic" in order to claim that atheists are just as bad as fundies. Personally I'm very skeptical of any post that begins with "I'm a ______ but,"
(I said "literal mountains" because I've been told that mountains prove god's existence since they are there or something.)
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)When faith really does move a literal mountain, I will repent of my disbelief.
I'm not sure what people mean when they use the word "militant". If I were pressed to define what is meant, I would say it is speaking publicly in a critical way about a different world view than my own. With that definition in mind, one can be militantly tolerant, I suppose.
onager
(9,356 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Militant atheists have done some really bad things. Really.bad.things.
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/07/29/radical-atheists-kill-29-in-middle-east-suicide-bombing/
It may be necessary at this juncture to point out that the above is satire.
onager
(9,356 posts)Crap. Thanks for letting me know. I'll stop working on my suicide vest now.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I know that you don't have no suicide vest blueprints. Although we do have our own martyrs...
http://allafrica.com/stories/201412260004.html
onager
(9,356 posts)The Egyptian blogger Kareem Amer. I was living in his hometown, Alexandria, when he got arrested and tried. His was the first case involving Internet Blasphemy in Egypt.
Some comments from the Wiki article and stuff I remember, just to show (again) how weird things get in the Middle East:
--Atheism, due to some blog posts, such as "There is no God except the human being"
--Spreading information and malicious rumors that disrupt public security
--Defaming the president of Egypt
--Incitement to overthrow the regime based upon hatred and contempt
--Incitement to hate "Islam" and to breach public peace standards
--Highlighting inappropriate issues that harm the reputation of Egypt and spreading these publicly
Fun Fact - in Egypt you can also be arrested for "insulting the Armed Forces." Or at least you could under the old Constitution. If arrested in Cairo, you might end up jugged at the Citadel - a fortress built by Saladin when he was fighting Crusaders. With MANY dungeons and cells underground. WAY underground. Allegedly, like outer space, a place where nobody can hear you scream...
I lived in Alexandria during those riots. They killed/injured several people and damaged an architectural/historic landmark, St. George's Coptic Xian church.
The "play" was a RUMOR about a play performed at the church TWO YEARS EARLIER. The play SUPPOSEDLY showed a devout Muslim converting to Xianity. It was ALLEGEDLY distributed on DVD around Alexandria to try and convert Muslims.
Rumors most likely true - the whole story was cooked up by a Muslim Brotherhood political candidate, running in the 2005 elections (the first elections since 1981, IIRC). The MB candidate was trailing badly and needed a hot-button issue.
I passed thru Damanhour twice a day on my commute to work. The place has some interesting historical sites, but my Egyptian friends warned me not to EVER go walking around there by myself. The city is a hotbed of radical madrasas and Islamic fundies. Including that satellite campus of al-Azhar University - the oldest Islamic university in the world, with its main campus in Cairo.
Damanhour is one of the very few cities that still has its ancient Egyptian name. Damanhour means "city of Horus."
Got that? His OWN FATHER asked the court to execute him if he didn't repent. For your "Ain't Religion Wonderful!" file...
Hmm. Given the events of 2011, they could have at least rescinded the "insulting Mr. Mubarak" part of the sentence. But Amer served his full term and later took part in the "Arab Spring" protests.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)rational voice. If we, here, serve no other purpose, as least we do comprise one voice in opposition to such a thing happening here.
progressoid
(50,000 posts)I don't hang out there anymore so not familiar with specifics.
wavesofeuphoria
(525 posts)as a "literalist" for stating a bible quote ... Just read a support for Frankie's punch quote - he was being metaphorical not literal
Is there anything in that religion one can take at freakin' face value?