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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:39 PM Nov 2014

For La Lioness Priyanka,

because when I spend time sorting through my head and trying to provide a thoughtful response, and then can't post because of the forum the OP was posted in, I don't want to have wasted my time or thoughts.

My answers are out of alignment, because I'm not an atheist. Sort of agnostic, I guess. But...I was debating religion this weekend with a family member, so I've been thinking about it a bit. I think I can say that I'm open-minded enough to entertain possibilites, and skeptical enough not to embrace any of those possibilites with any fidelity. Here they are:


1. How Did You Become an Atheist?

I'm not. Neither am I a believer, nor a practitioner of, any sort of organized religion. And, while I value science, it doesn't replace religion in my life.

2. What happens when we die?

Our bodies return to the earth, sooner or later. The core of what makes us who we are? I don't have an answer for that. I have potentials; possibilities that are not proven. Some might include: our "self" dies with our bodies. That death might mean that the energy that made up our "self" disperses into universe as our composted bodies become parts of other living things, given a choice. It might mean that some or all of that energy lands in another body, recycling ourselves. It might mean a simple ending of what is. It might mean that simple ending, with our "selves" being passed on genetically and environmentally to those we leave behind. It might be that the concept of an "after life" is simply the energy that gave us being rejoins a larger pool, leaving behind any sense of identity. It might be something else entirely; I don't know, and while I'm curious, I've really got no particular pov to support or defend.

3. What if you’re wrong? And there is a Heaven? And there is a HELL!

Of course there's a heaven, and a hell...right here on earth during our lifetimes. I tend to think of heaven and hell more as metaphor than a literal something. Regardless of how they are defined, I'm pretty sure that there are no pearly nor fiery gates to an eternity of pain or peace.

4. Without God, where do you get your morality from?

Some probably came from the vestiges of religious teachings, god or no. I can't find a direct path, but I'm sure there are twists and turns. Generally, I believe my sense of morality comes from a deep well of empathy, my embedded idealism, and my own deep-seated need to be respected for who I am without pressure to conform, which leads me to offer the same to others.

5. If there is no God, can we do what we want? Are we free to murder and rape? While good deeds are unrewarded?

I'm not sure how to answer this, because I don't see the world through a simplistic, polarized "good vs evil," "reward vs punishment" lens. I think that we get, in some measure at some point, (and I don't have a need to define those any further,) what we put out. That there are natural consequences. Those consequences might be metaphysical, might be simply logical, but I think we create them ourselves with our words, thoughts, and actions. I think that the reason we have a justice system, however imperfect, is because we AREN'T free to hurt others. I think that those who do "good deeds" because they think they deserve attention or a reward of some kind are operating from a less evolved, more selfish place. I believe in social and personal evolution, and that each person is at a different place in that process. I think that any consequences meted out by systems of justice should be about preventing harm and about ensuring safety of the group, not about punishment or revenge.

6. If there is no god, how does your life have any meaning?

I'm not sure why the existence, or non-existence, of a diety would give my life meaning. My time interacting with others and with myself...that gives my life meaning.

7. Where did the universe come from?

I don't know. I know some of the theories, and I'm curious, but I can't say, without reservation, that any are exactly correct. And I don't feel like my life is any less well-lived if that question isn't answered.

8. What about miracles? What all the people who claim to have a connection with Jesus? What about those who claim to have seen saints or angels?

I think there are a bunch of possibilities, and I think miracles might be a bit of all of those possibilities. Starting with the evolution of a story about a "miracle," simply because stories change in repeated tellings, to political manipulation of events, to little-understood brain functions and dysfunctions, to metaphysical ideas involving thoughts and emotions having an effect on physical things, to outright lies, delusions, and mental/emotional health problems...

9. What’s your view of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris?

I think I'd like to read G.M. Jackson's book, because it sounds intriguing. Outside of that, I haven't paid enough attention to them to form an opinion.

10. If there is no God, then why does every society have a religion?

Because the yearning to know who we are, and why things are the way they are...the need for a sense of security in a really big world...the drive to find answers, and for the masses, the need for strong leaders to follow so that they don't have to be responsible for the thinking required to make big decisions...all of those things lead to the evolution of religion.

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For La Lioness Priyanka, (Original Post) LWolf Nov 2014 OP
Questions 3, 4, 5 and 6 are the usual pathetic bullshit the religionistas come up with, mr blur Nov 2014 #1
Arrogant theists like to think they can dismiss atheist objections... trotsky Nov 2014 #2
I missed that. beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #3
Hoo boy! AlbertCat Nov 2014 #4
Best answer to No. 6 I've ever read Brainstormy Nov 2014 #14
Thanks for posting this here. Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #5
Tedious for atheists, LWolf Nov 2014 #6
There is only one question in that list that is not insulting Curmudgeoness Nov 2014 #9
Here is a link to the original thread LostOne4Ever Nov 2014 #7
I like those answers. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #8
Thanks! LostOne4Ever Nov 2014 #11
Speaking of Miracles and Frauds... LostOne4Ever Nov 2014 #10
The font and color changes make your posts carry so much more dramatic weight Lordquinton Nov 2014 #12
Thank You! LostOne4Ever Nov 2014 #13
Sure, I'll give it a shot Act_of_Reparation Nov 2014 #15
Hmm, seems most of those are questions that Christians should be answering too. progressoid Nov 2014 #16
The more ecumenical LWolf Nov 2014 #17
I note the current crop of hosts has moved to strict construction. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #18
Always a good rule of thumb. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #19
 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
1. Questions 3, 4, 5 and 6 are the usual pathetic bullshit the religionistas come up with,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:54 PM
Nov 2014

in the misguided belief that they have us in some kind of logic trap. We've heard this drivel time and time again.

8 and 10 answer themselves.

9 is the usual flamebait. (I don't mean from La Lioness Priyanka, of course.) Just a way of leading on to the inevitable accusations about Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot.

There are interesting and useful sets of questions to ask atheists - this isn't one.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. Arrogant theists like to think they can dismiss atheist objections...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
Nov 2014

because we aren't addressing their Sophisticated Theology(TM). I.e., the old Courtier's Reply.

Newsflash: this is how the large majority of believers practice their religion, and what they consider to be the ultimate "gotcha" zingers for atheists. You fancy believers, how about you convince your fellow religionists their theology is hopelessly stupid and primitive, and then we can all discuss your Advanced God?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. I missed that.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:28 PM
Nov 2014

Started out as a good thread.

Love the source of the questions, too. Some of the "Most Popular Posts of All Time" are hilarious:

4 Sexual Sins Every Christian Should Avoid


5 Lies Atheist Tell


This Guy Proves It’s Crazy to Be Atheist With One Simple and Hilarious Question


7 Ways a Wife Injures a Husband Without Even Knowing It




 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
4. Hoo boy!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:16 PM
Nov 2014
1. How Did You Become an Atheist?

I was born.

2. What happens when we die?

The opposite of being born. (usually your life functions terminate)

3. What if you’re wrong? And there is a Heaven? And there is a HELL!

Oh grow up! (and stop breaking up sentences with question marks!)

4. Without God, where do you get your morality from?

Having been gay before I knew what "gay" meant.... I decided not to treat anyone the way Christians treated me.

5. If there is no God, can we do what we want? Are we free to murder and rape? While good deeds are unrewarded?

Sure you can do what you want. (like continue to break up sentences with question marks) Since the beginning of the human race, and even right now, some people murder and rape freely! But beware being judged.... by other people. (the universe is indifferent)

6. If there is no god, how does your life have any meaning?

It doesn't. I don't even know what "life has meaning" actually means. The purpose of living is to live.

7. Where did the universe come from?

Poughkeepsie? How about for "How did the Universe come about?" we say "The laws of physics."

8. What about miracles? What all the people who claim to have a connection with Jesus? What about those who claim to have seen saints or angels?

Made up fantasies due to either gross misunderstanding, or delusions of various kinds, or out and out lies told to buck up some story or person to make them seen awesome.

9. What’s your view of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris?

Dawkins is a genius (you should read his books on his life's work: Genetics & evolution). Hitchens and Harris are(were) both very intelligent knowledgeable men with a firm grasp on reality.

10. If there is no God, then why does every society have a religion?

Because in the Stone Age, profoundly ignorant humans in all cultures made up answers to things they didn't understand without the benefit of the Scientific Method. They don't go away because of the money and power of these ancient institutions.

Brainstormy

(2,381 posts)
14. Best answer to No. 6 I've ever read
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:51 AM
Nov 2014

but in my humble opinion Hitchens was a genius, too, and Harris definitely is.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
5. Thanks for posting this here.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

This is a place where it can openly be discussed, although I agree with Lioness that this is a relevant subject that can and should be discussed in a larger forum. But I guess that isn't the case.

Since I have answered these questions in the past, I am not going to bother with repeating myself over and over again to justify my feelings. Since these questions were listed in Today Christian, I can only assume that this is a way for the believers to think that they can trap atheists, and they are being told to try. It gets tedious for us.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
6. Tedious for atheists,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:01 PM
Nov 2014

yet even as they think they're triumphing, they make themselves look more ignorant. For the better part of any debate, atheists have better arguments,

As I already said, I'm not an atheist...but I'm as open to atheism as I am to the rest.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. There is only one question in that list that is not insulting
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:13 PM
Nov 2014

and that is the first one. I am sure that many believers do not understand, and really do care to know without being condescending. All the rest of them are meant to corner atheists with some perverse logic of the religionists. What they do not understand is that any atheist who was raised with some form of religion, and I am sure agnostics as well, have already gone through all of these issues on the path to non-belief. I know that I did.

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
7. Here is a link to the original thread
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:02 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025797558

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Anyways to answer those dumb questions asked in that thread:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]1. How Did You Become an Atheist?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Realizing that there is no way that a just and benevolent god would allow all the pain and suffering in the world to exist without doing anything about it, and highly doubting even an indifferent god would not do something to ease the pain of this world.[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]2. What happens when we die?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Don't know, but I highly highly suspect we cease to exist.[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]3. What if you’re wrong? And there is a Heaven? And there is a HELL!

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]It doesn't matter.

[font size=4 color=scarlet]Any god who would damn someone to eternal suffering for making a simple mistake is not deserving of worship and I would actively fight against it anyways. [/font]

Now ask yourself, how could YOU (theists who ask this question) ever stand living in "Heaven" knowing that good and just people (quite possibly relatives you know and LOVE) are suffering in hell for all of eternity over a simple mistake? What does that say about you and your god?

And of course, what if YOU are wrong? What if you are worshiping the wrong god? Further what if you are worshiping the wrong god and by doing so you are angering it far more and earning a far worse punishment than you would had you simply not believed in any gods at all? What if there is a god but life is nothing more than a giant test it created to see who has the courage to reject religious belief?

Pascal's wage is a [font size=4 color=scarlett]fool's bet.[/font][/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]4. Without God, where do you get your morality from?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]From empathy and actually thinking about issues rather than doing what some dumb book tells me. [/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]5. If there is no God, can we do what we want? Are we free to murder and rape? While good deeds are unrewarded?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]You can do what you want regardless of if there is a god or not, the question is what consequences will your behavior cause. Murder someone and you will go to jail and depending on your state, possibly be executed.

Do you mean to ask me why I don't murder people and pillage? Because I don't want to, and if you (theists who ask this question) can't understand that, then it's not [font size=4 color=scarlet]MY MORALITY[/font] you should be questioning. It's your own.

As for good deeds going unrewarded? Yeah, they do go unrewarded. It is called life, and it can and does suck at times.

The truth of the matter is the good [font size=4 color=scarlet]DIE[/font] struggling in vain, and psychopaths and murders are exalted. There is no guarantee of justice in this world and almost certainly no life (much less justice) after this one. If you want justice you have to bring it about your self. You have to fight for it, and make it real.

We, atheists can not afford to apathetically wait around for some god to come and correct all the wrongs of this world. If we want to see what is right rewarded and all the wrongs done punished we have to ACT!!![/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]6. If there is no god, how does your life have any meaning?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]There is no meaning to life, except for the meaning you create yourself. I create my own value, my own worth. [font size=4 color=scarlet]I don't need some god to tell me I am valuable or that I am damaged goods without him/her/it.[/font][/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]7. Where did the universe come from?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]I don't know.

Maybe nothingness is unstable and at the beginning of time that caused the big bang. Or maybe the universe itself is eternal and has always existed in one form or another. Matter is composed of energy after all. And energy cannot be created or destroyed. Doesn't that mean that energy is eternal and always been here in one form or another?

Why do I need a god as middle man if the universe has always existed?[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]8. What about miracles? What all the people who claim to have a connection with Jesus? What about those who claim to have seen saints or angels?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]What about them? People have called natural phenomena and things they don't understand "miracles" for ages till they understood the physics behind it. Further, every culture has some sort of miracle that they claim proves their religion (till they are explained by science); yet they can not all be correct.

And then there are these things called [font size=4 color=scarlet]FRAUDS[/font].

What about the people who have a connection with the [font size=4 color=scarlet]flying spaghetti monster?[/font] What about those who claim to talk to [font size=4 color=scarlet]Napoleon?[/font]

Just because someone THINKS they have a connection with something or talked to something does not mean it exists. There are all sorts of explanations for that sort of thing...like delusions.[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]9. What’s your view of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]I have never read a single thing* by any of them. I know of them, and agree with some things they say and disagree with others. I also know that people hate them and will misquote or outright lie to attack them. Other than that not much.

*Given I have a biology background I might consider reading the Selfish Gene if I ever come across it.[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]10. If there is no God, then why does every society have a religion?

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Okay first off, god is not synonymous with religion. There are religions without any gods, so your question makes no sense to me. So what if there are religions if there are no gods?

Do you mean to say all societies believe in god? [font size=4 color=scarlet]That is factually incorrect.[/font] Many Asian societies don't believe in gods. Further, there is a society in South America that doesn't believe in any gods. It's called the Pirahã and there is an entire book about how they deconverted a missionary[/font]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375425020?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwfriendlyat-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0375425020.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]But even if all societies did believe in gods, that does not mean they are right. Before the Pythagoreans proved the world was round just about every society believed the earth was flat. Popularity of an idea does not mean it is true. [/font]

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
11. Thanks!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:42 PM
Nov 2014

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Though, I have to admit that my response got angrier and angrier with each question.

I don't know why exactly, but something about the questions I found really off putting.[/font]

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
10. Speaking of Miracles and Frauds...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:34 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2014, 04:53 AM - Edit history (2)

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal] Let me share incident with you believers about something that had a profound impact on my thinking.

My Late Grandmother suffered from emphysema and as a young child I witnessed her going to the hospital for pneumonia many times. One of those times she was in the hospital we got a late night phone call from one of her "sitters" (she required around the clock supervision) about her having a major seizure.

We were later told by the doctor (one we had [font color=crimson]BAD BLOOD[/font] with but was assigned to her by the hospital anyways) that she had a stroke, and the left side of her body was paralyzed and that she was in a coma. But then something strange happened...she squeezed my hand with her left hand. We told the the staff and they began examining her. We also mention taking her to the hospital in the nearest big city. Next thing we know a nurse comes in and injects something into her IV. Shortly thereafter, she wakes up and is not paralyzed.

To quote a family friend:
[center][font style="font-family:'Brush Script MT',''Lucida handwriting','forte',cursive;" size=6 color=crimson] Hallelujah Jesus it is a MIRACLE![/font][/center]

To which my mom replied:
[center] [font style="font-family:Arial,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif;"]Halleluja my [font style="font-family:'chiller',''gigi','parchment',fantasy;" size=6 color=purple]ASS!!![/font] I smell a[/font][font style="font-family:'chiller',''gigi','parchment',fantasy;" size=6 color=purple] RAT![/font][/font][/center]

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]To say that the family friends did not respond well to that would be an understatement, but my mom didn't care.

She insisted on taking her mom to said big city hospital, and begins questioning the sitter about what happened the night before. Turns out they sent someone into her room to give her a shot of "something" a little before she had her stroke.

To put a long story short here is what ACTUALLY happened:

My grandmother had medicine induced diabetes and they gave her way way way too much insulin the night before causing her to go into a diabetic coma. The Doctor LIED to us and told us she had a stroke, and when I mentioned that she had squeezed my hand he told a nurse to give her some glucose.

[center][font color=crimson size=4]MORAL OF THE STORY: ALL MIRACLES ARE FRAUDS! ![/font][/font][/center]

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
12. The font and color changes make your posts carry so much more dramatic weight
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 04:31 AM
Nov 2014

although the light color is hard for me to read, so I skim to the good parts) (ps: don't change!)

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
13. Thank You!
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 05:33 AM
Nov 2014

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I started doing that because I wanted to add some [font size=5 color=coral face='Brush Script MT']individuality[/font] and [font size=4 color=magenta face='comic sans ms']personality[/font] to my posts a while back.

Depending on how elaborate I make the posts it can take quite a bit of time/edits to get them looking right! So thank you for letting me know the effort was worth it.

[/font]

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
15. Sure, I'll give it a shot
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 12:10 PM
Nov 2014
1. How Did You Become an Atheist?


When did I stop believing in God, or when did I start identifying as an atheist? To the former, I can't say I ever really believed in the first place; to the latter, I was for a long time reticent to call myself an atheist out of fear of negative socio-occupational consequences. I began identifying openly among family and friends about five or six years ago. At work, I keep my mouth shut.


2. What happens when we die?


I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

All I can say on the matter is I base my opinion on what scientific knowledge is available to us, and all evidence suggests our conscious minds are the product of our physical brains. It is not a leap, therefore, to conclude that when the brain dies, consciousness dies with it.

3. What if you’re wrong? And there is a Heaven? And there is a HELL!


Then I will be in no worse a position than most. If there is a God who rewards or punishes contingent upon belief in Him, then, accounting for the total number of religions represented on Earth, it is statistically unlikely anyone believe in the correct God.

In fact, if you're a believer, you better hope you're wrong... because chances are, you're going to hell, too.

4. Without God, where do you get your morality from?


The same place most people get their morality from: socialization.


5. If there is no God, can we do what we want? Are we free to murder and rape? While good deeds are unrewarded?


I quote True Detective's Rustin Cohle: "If the only thing keeping you decent is the expectation of divine reward, then you, brother, are a piece of shit."

6. If there is no god, how does your life have any meaning?


A pointless question.

Our lives don't have to have meaning. We simply are. Whatever purpose we serve in the grander scheme of things is what we define for ourselves. To quote another film, "There is no fate but what we make."

7. Where did the universe come from?


I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

All I can say on the matter is that my opinion, again, is based entirely on scientific consensus: that the universe as we know it is the product of a rapid expansion matter we call the Big Bang. Knowing what we know, this theory adequately accounts for the universe without necessitating the existence of God.


8. What about miracles? What all the people who claim to have a connection with Jesus? What about those who claim to have seen saints or angels?


What about them? No one claiming to have experienced a miracle, or seen an angel, has been able to prove it actually happened. I cannot, therefore, exclude more plausible, non-supernatural explanations for these experiences.

9. What’s your view of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris?


Dawkins is an expert in evolutionary biology. On any other topic, YMMV.

Hitchens was an excellent polemicist who could turn a catchy phrase like no other. On any other topic, YMMV.

Harris is long-winded and unnecessarily verbose--a kind of anti-Hitchens. I don't have much use for him, to be honest. But, like the other two, YMMV.

There is, among outsiders, a tendency to view these guys as "atheist clergy", like we all sit around with rapt attention, fawning over their every word. That's hardly the case. I agree with them on some issues, disagree with them on others. In the case of these three, I disagree with them often.


10. If there is no God, then why does every society have a religion?


I don't know, and neither does anyone else. All I can do is speculate, based on what I've read in various anthropological and philosophical works.

It appears to me religion developed in a pre-scientific era; humans were no less curious than today, but lacked the tools to draw accurate conclusions from their environments. So, they ascribed human-like agency to every natural phenomena, explaining these evens the only way they knew how. Thus, gods were born.






progressoid

(50,000 posts)
16. Hmm, seems most of those are questions that Christians should be answering too.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 01:23 PM
Nov 2014

But they might not like the answers if the did it honestly.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
17. The more ecumenical
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 01:26 PM
Nov 2014

people might. There ARE a lot of people who self-identify as Christian who don't take the bible literally. You just don't hear from them, because they aren't about the public displays.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. I note the current crop of hosts has moved to strict construction.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:52 PM
Nov 2014

It is always a pleasure to have a discussion, a discussion that was good natured, a discussion in which people were enjoying DU, clobbered by self appointed "hosts", 'cause they can.

Hey Hosts! IF PEOPLE ARE HAVING FUN IN GD LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE! <== rule one of hosting.

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