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Believers.......what is your single most convincing evidence that..... (Original Post) Logical Aug 2014 OP
Wrong place to post that Warpy Aug 2014 #1
if you don't convert, edgineered Aug 2014 #2
Stale beer and strippers with venereal disease. PassingFair Aug 2014 #16
"Oh God exists! AlbertCat Aug 2014 #3
The fact that there is no evil, pain, or suffering anywhere in the world LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #4
what if god is an asshole? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #7
What do you mean, "if"? Haven't you read the Magic Book? (nt) mr blur Aug 2014 #11
Then he's a perfect asshole. Iggo Aug 2014 #17
It isn't clear to me at all why "perfect" is a required attribute of a deity. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #18
Exactly. The thing about the whole poly-gods system, mr blur Aug 2014 #19
It's all very mysterious and who am I to question perfection and blah blah blah... Iggo Aug 2014 #20
This is a safe haven mr blur Aug 2014 #5
Wow just wow! Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6
Is that the ongoing WOW that's happening right now marginlized Aug 2014 #21
This is not the place for such a discussion. JNelson6563 Aug 2014 #8
lol. I can't believe you would say this is not the place for such a discussion. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #9
:) JNelson6563 Aug 2014 #10
Not all believers are like that. Heddi Aug 2014 #13
Can I answer in the past tense? whatthehey Aug 2014 #12
The fact that no one has proved that he doesn't! frogmarch Aug 2014 #14
Do feel free to post this in Religion skepticscott Aug 2014 #15
Because I have other ways of knowing, but how dare you ask me to explain! Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #22

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
2. if you don't convert,
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 12:26 AM
Aug 2014

and the FSM does exist, then you have just been royally screwed. It's in the gospel.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
3. "Oh God exists!
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 01:19 AM
Aug 2014

because if I say he doesn't, I will be ostracized! YIKES!"

(that's my imitation of the average believer)

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
4. The fact that there is no evil, pain, or suffering anywhere in the world
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 02:54 AM
Aug 2014

is definite proof that an all powerful benevolent god exists!

Oh wait...

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. It isn't clear to me at all why "perfect" is a required attribute of a deity.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:17 AM
Aug 2014

Look at the Greek gods, bunch of assholes for the most part, and far from perfect. This whole Omni-* thing is just bullshit layered on top of other bullshit. It is just another lie told by that asshole Yahweh to the gullible goat herders. The whole perfection thing is frequently contradicted by the sociopathic Abrahamic deity anyway, for example when the psycho decided to wipe everything out with a Big Flood.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
19. Exactly. The thing about the whole poly-gods system,
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:36 AM
Aug 2014

is that they acknowledged that some of the "gods" were unpleasant or downright vicious. Because that explained the natural world as it is - some stuff will drown you or electrocute you or generally fuck you up. Because that's the way life is.

This is why Zeus is much more interesting than Jebus - if he can get away with it Zeus will sneak down and fuck your girlfriend while disguised as a swan.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
5. This is a safe haven
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 05:40 AM
Aug 2014

We don't get many believers here. Why would they want to?. They don't last long anyway.

marginlized

(357 posts)
21. Is that the ongoing WOW that's happening right now
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 06:12 PM
Aug 2014

or a reference to your satchel of cosmic mysteries for World of Warcraft?

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
8. This is not the place for such a discussion.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 09:15 AM
Aug 2014

I do hope no believers come and try to answer that in here. In fact, I daresay it might be a good idea to self delete your OP & repost somewhere more appropriate.

Julie

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
12. Can I answer in the past tense?
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 11:37 AM
Aug 2014

Not a believer now but was for a while. The generic arguments of first cause, ontological etc have some merit at first reading but even then they struck me as too generic. Even if true, they tell us nothing at all about the god/s involved.

But there are some aspects of Christianity which struck me as remarkable. There are counterarguments of course or I would still be a believer, but that's another question.

In no particular order:

How did it go from a disorganized dispirited rabble to a growing group willing to martyr themselves in a year or two?

Why, in a society where women's testimony was worth less than men's, would a group telling false stories have the first witnesses to resurrection, its core claim, be women?

When all Biblical prophecies claimed the Messiah will set up an earthly Jewish kingdom of God, why would a group choose to fake the story of a Messiah who made absolutely no progress toward that, when you have say the Maccabees handy as alternatives?

Why have a Messiah die a disgraceful death fit for terrible criminals? That's not a prophecy to fulfill, but it is a detriment to his credibility. Why wouldn't a fake Messiah die peacefully in his bed? Or gloriously in vain attempted rebellion?

Jewish messianic and eschatological sects were common at the time, but few if any tried to expand into non-Jewish groups. Jews at the time were famously insular and parochial and indeed some ultra orthodox groups still are. Why would that one just imagine a Great Commission out of the whole cloth? What made them seek Gentile converts when their cohorts shunned Gentiles altogether?

Yes I can counter all those now, but many people who hear them cannot, and together they do form a general image of a unique situation with some remarkably original motivation.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
15. Do feel free to post this in Religion
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 07:15 PM
Aug 2014

if you're genuinely interested in the responses of believers (who you could hardly expect to find here), and not just shit-stirring.

I'm guessing you won't bother.

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