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Honest_Abe

(155 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 11:02 AM Oct 2013

My father, a deeply religious man, just passed away.

He was a Quaker and a Gideon There are two very great ironies here.
First, he was a very intelligent man and a science teacher. In the end, he was no longer able to read or understand the Bible. He KNEW what he had lost, but was unable to understand why he could no longer understand the world around him. Think "Flowers for Algernon", if you have read it.
Second, as a science teacher he always taught me to question everything. One of my favorites, "does Listerine REALLY kill the germs that cause bad breath?" He taught evolution and the scientific method to his students. As a direct result, I am now an agnostic atheist, which would cause him great distress if I had ever told him.
I will miss him.

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My father, a deeply religious man, just passed away. (Original Post) Honest_Abe Oct 2013 OP
I am so sorry for your loss kdmorris Oct 2013 #1
He was. NM Honest_Abe Oct 2013 #2
I'm very sorry. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #3
I am so sorry for your loss. Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #4
Vibes to you all. applegrove Oct 2013 #5
I've known about quite a few Quaker meetings friendly to agnostics Warpy Oct 2013 #6
My condolences. TxDemChem Oct 2013 #7
My condolences. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #8
Abe, progressoid Oct 2013 #9
I'm sorry. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2013 #10
My heartfelt condolences. JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #11
I'm so sorry for your lost. He sounds like he was a wonderful teacher and man. sinkingfeeling Oct 2013 #12
My heart goes out to you... defacto7 Oct 2013 #13
Sorry for the loss... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #14
And I just found out he was a C.O. Honest_Abe Oct 2013 #15
My deepest condolences... Moostache Oct 2013 #16
My Condolenses to you Heather MC Oct 2013 #17

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. I am so sorry for your loss.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:17 PM
Oct 2013

It is always a difficult time for us when we lose someone so close to us, and it sounds like you were close to your dad and that he meant a lot to you. Beautiful tribute.

Warpy

(111,342 posts)
6. I've known about quite a few Quaker meetings friendly to agnostics
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 03:04 PM
Oct 2013

Quakers have always been known for questioning everything around them, especially when it comes to political and social propaganda. I've never been able to pick a fight with any of them, we agree on too much to bother with trivialities like the god stuff.

I wish I'd known your dad. He sounds like a very fine man. The world is poorer for his passing.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
7. My condolences.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:04 PM
Oct 2013

It sounds like he was the best of both religious and secular personality sides. Those people are rare. They bring a lot if positivity to the world.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,377 posts)
8. My condolences.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:41 PM
Oct 2013

I lost my father in 2000. He was a life-long, church going Episcopalian, was a 32nd degree Mason and "Worshipful Master" of his lodge when he died.

He was a rationalist, to be sure. He confided in me once that he really didn't know if Heaven was real or not, but surely the concept of hell was folly.

I owe much of my critical thinking to him.

I am sure you will miss your dad. Know that as time passes it gets easier, and one thing is for certain, the smiles will become more frequent as you remember the times he made you and others laugh.

Perhaps knowing your personal philosophy wouldn't disturb him as much as you might think, if he valued critical inquiry as much as you suggest.

All the best.

progressoid

(49,999 posts)
9. Abe,
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 08:41 PM
Oct 2013

I understand. My Father is a retired science teacher and is deeply religious also. He taught science in public school and still teaches his faith in Sunday school. The irony is his love of the wonder of science and inquiry helped me move away from religion. Like you, I have never told him (or my Mother) about my leaving religion.

So sorry for your loss. He sounded like a wonderful man.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
11. My heartfelt condolences.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:23 AM
Oct 2013

My own father was more dear to me than anyone on earth and I remember all too well what it was like when he died.

Hugs and encouragement to you my dear. It sounds like you had a very good relationship and this will be a great source of comfort to you for many years to come.

But for the immediate future...

Julie

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
13. My heart goes out to you...
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:33 AM
Oct 2013

My father died in 1995 at 89 years old. I miss him still very much. He was a man of faith and reason but he knew I could never reconcile those two opposing concepts and never quite wanted to broach the idea that I was atheist. He was my greatest supporter and He was my hero... none the less.

Your father sounds like a wonderful person. Hold on to the good memories, pass them on to others and his legacy will live on.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
14. Sorry for the loss...
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oct 2013

and I have to remember to pick up Flowers for Algernon- I still haven't read that.

Honest_Abe

(155 posts)
15. And I just found out he was a C.O.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:33 PM
Oct 2013

Looking through his army discharge papers, he received his honorable discharge papers as a Conscientious Objector in World War II. I knew he volunteered and served as a medic near the front lines, but I just discovered he refused to carry a gun. On at least one occasion, his duty was to sit with an American prisoner who was sentenced to death for murder, on the night before his execution. I wish I could apologize to him for all the times when I, as a teenager, didn't show him the love and respect he deserved.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
16. My deepest condolences...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:42 AM
Oct 2013

In time, may the memories of the good times and the valuable life lessons overpower the feelings of loss and pain.
May you move swiftly down that path.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
17. My Condolenses to you
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:41 PM
Oct 2013

My Grandmother passed away in 2009 we buried her the day Obama was inaugurated
since that time, I have found great comfort in remembering the important things she taught me.

Like "Always look before you sit"
Or
"Always back in park" etc

As time moves on from the day you lost your father, whenever a memory of something he taught you pops into your head. Smile and say, "thanks dad"". because he knew one day you would have to soldier on without him, I am sure he filled you with many pearls of wisdom to help you continue on your Journey.

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