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Related: About this forumNo Room for Non-Theists at Boston Interfaith Service
We were blown off.
By Becky Garrison
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But though (Greg) Epstein (Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University) has considerable experience organizing memorial vigilsand has addressed over 45,000 people in attendance at these events during his decade of service as a humanist chaplainhe was not invited or included to participate in Healing Our City. This interfaith memorial event, held at Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston on Wednesday, April 18, was attended by President Obama along with representatives from the Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim faiths.
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According to Lauren Anderson Youngblood, Communications Manager for the (Secular Coalition for America), they had been working since Tuesday to make sure that the non-theist community was a part of the service. We were consistently given the run-around, relayed to other people, told we would be called back, and so forth. The White House Office of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships stated they were not responsible for the planning of the event and directed them to call the local organizers. Youngblood recounts their efforts:
We reached out to the Office of Community Affairs in the Governors office, the Archdiocese of Boston, the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, the Massachusetts Council of Churches, the Office of the Mayor and the Boston City Council. We spent the entire day doing this and were repeatedly brushed off by each person we called. Our lobbyist, Kelly Damerow, called the Governors office every hour yesterday, and was still trying this morning, before the event, at which point we finally realized it wasnt going to happen.
I choose my words carefully here: We were blown off, Epstein states.
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We made it exceedingly easy for the Governors staff to find us and include us, but they chose not to do so. The exclusion of non-theists today no doubt deepened the hurt the people in the non-theist community are feeling. What principle was served by our exclusion, I dont begin to understand.
All above emphases are mine.
Full article here.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Why would they include non-theists in their drum circle. We don't mourn or grieve. We don't feel sympathy for those who are lost in senseless murder. We don't want to be included in the process of healing communities.
It is really sad that people think we don't need the comfort of others who are coming together to try to make sense of the senseless. I am most upset that this is an intentional slight.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)from evil, and that they need not fear. They repeat this falsehood because it builds character, but it would be rather embarrassing to have this kink in reality pointed out. Even the presence of somebody who doesn't buy into the charade isn't comfortable.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)sounds every bit as sick as when Shrub was in office.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)we can't be allowed to spoil their dream world. We are too... too... factual.
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We can't possibly feel the sorrow that believers feel.
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We may disrupt the aether.
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We are just dirty, filthy, scum, doodoos.
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Our hearts and minds are not white as snow.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I can't say I am surprised by this. People fear atheism terribly. They sit next to atheists all the time but don't know it. To actually know the person sitting next to you is a "godless" creature is scary shit 'cause you know for sure they could do horrible things to you and think nothing of it.
They are in league with the devil doncha know, and the only emotion they feel is the joy derived from persecuting Christians!1!
Oy.
Julie
Rob H.
(5,351 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:58 PM - Edit history (2)
and was shaking my head at questions like, "Why would atheists want to attend a service to honor the victims?" and some of the claims that atheists would probably have just made fun of all the believers present if they'd been invited, anyway. After all, that's the main thing atheists are about, according to some of the people posting in the particular thread I found.
I don't know how much easier it can be to understand: it's was an inter-faith memorial, which, to me, means people of any religious faith and people with no religious faith at all. I can't figure out if some of the people acting as if the exclusion of non-believers was no big deal are being deliberately obtuse because they hate atheists or if they're just flat-out stupid.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Atheism isn't a religion, or a belief that needs to be validated by others...
I understand the desire to be included in the healing process, and the desire to offer help etc etc, but I really think that it would be illogical to be included in an 'inter-faith' event when you aren't a 'theist'...
Frankly I would have spent most of the time shaking my head at the rest of the sheep with their bowed heads fervently praying to their god to heal the wounded and bring peace to those whose loved ones were killed, when what they SHOULD be praying for was for this allegedly omnipotent being to stop the fuckers BEFORE they blew the bombs up...
I'm sorry, flame away if you must, but getting bent out of shape about this makes as much sense as a straight person getting mad that they weren't invite to go on a Gay Cruise...
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Regardless of how we feel about religion, the religious are our neighbors, and at the very least they deserve our support through times of hardship. I can't speak on anyone's behalf, but I imagine those who wanted to attend the service wished to do so out of a genuine desire to help their grieving community. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with that.