Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumWhat do Atheists do for funerals?
I assume just a visitation at a funeral parlor and then a graveside service?
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)We all die. Why make a big deal out of something that we all do?
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)Personally, as an athiest, or maybe that's too broad of a term, I'm not convinced that there are not things we don't understand in this universe but personally, I don't think my death will change things much. How the folks who survive me deal with my remains will probably not matter much to me. I don't need a celebration, a funeral, etc. I will be dead so I doubht that I will care. Why should a funeral celebration concern me?
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)Sure, I won't care much once I am gone. But as a person with friends and (a few) family, I appreciate that they will want a way to say goodbye and grieve together. So I have made my wishes known that I want a very simple remembrance service, and then I want them to toast to me and laugh about memories together. What makes me happy to think about is them spending the money that could have gone to an expensive funeral, to take my ashes to my favorite vacation spot, dump them in the sea, and then get snockered on margaritas. But that will be their choice.
kairos12
(12,881 posts)That should keep the red state haters from stealing signs. Thanks.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)We are all going to experience this. Maybe something else happens, maybe it does'nt. Either way, we will all do it. I don'tvsee how an end of life celebration changes anything.
You know what? It's getting late. i don't see how this conversation furthers either of us. Night!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Funerals are for the living. The dead don't care what you do.
At mine, I want everyone to smoke a little opium and go skinny dipping.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)People being with people who have suffered a loss.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Warpy
(111,380 posts)with friends and families sharing stories.
My own parents died unbelievers and all they wanted was cremation and scattering far away from water. I haven't scattered them yet (my lousy health keeps getting in the way) but I respected their wishes for absolutely no fuss.
Far away from water is easy since I live in the desert.
Iggo
(47,577 posts)Or maybe it's not that many. But I've seen it happen twice in my family.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I've been to several secular funerals in which there was no mention of an after-life, god or anything supernatural. We told our favourite stories about the deceased, enjoyed reuniting with old friends and family, resolved not to wait until the next funeral before we met up again and promptly forget the resolution afterwards.
In fact, the worst funerals I've attended have been religious ones. At my father-in-law's funeral, the minister went on and on about how he (my prematurely deceased fil) was now in a happier place and wouldn't even want to return to his family now if he had the choice.
"Bastard", I remember thinking in my pew among the grieving relatives; hating the minister, the ceremony and the false comforts of religion more than ever before.
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)It was arrainged by my fundy sister and the minister/talker/shamen/witch doctor went on and on about the children of isreal. Never figured out exactly what he was trying to say but it was very annoying. I almost walked out but refrained because other attendees seemed to find some solice in the blather.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Lars39
(26,117 posts)He *was* religious, but the sheer arrogance of saying that a person wouldn't want to come back to be with loved ones made me give the stink eye to that shit of a preacher. :
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Had never been religous, but the service was full of prayer and that got me gagging. I felt it was disrespectful of the poor woman. I also didn't like the Funeral celebrant(?) talking about her as if she had known my Grandma.
I kept my peace but I was in a rage. Nobody else, including my Dad (never a believer) seemed to mind. I just felt it was all false and not a true reflection of my Nanna.
You have to let it all slide, but do take the time to vent to someone safe or you'd go crazy.
kairos12
(12,881 posts)I attended a funeral of a teenage girl who committed suicide. The minister took this tragic opportunity to have people come forward so they could be born again. It was beyond appalling.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)lie there in the casket while people walk by and say how good they look. Pretty much like everyone else
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)A couple of dear friends of mine, fellow atheists, unexpectedly lost their 26 year old son. They are both atheists, I can't imagine the son was any different.
Anyway, the funeral was at the funeral home, not a church. A local minister actually did the "service". It's a small community, where they live, and the minister seemed to know the family. He didn't talk about god or religion but about the deceased having been such a good guy. How we live on through what we do in life. I didn't really know the son but knew he did things like buy groceries for those in need and such, much like his bleeding heart liberal parents.
It was pretty enlightened. I was just so devastated for my friends though, I must admit I do not remember very much of what was said. Spent most of it trying with all my might not to cry my eyes out.
In fact, I have something in my eye right now...
As far as my own funeral goes, everyone knows I just want to be cremated and be remembered with an Irish wake~where all should have a good time. I just want everyone to remember that I love them and wish them happiness.
Julie
Logical
(22,457 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)than any other funeral, if you have one. We did not have one for my father or my mother, since my whole family are non-believers. But that is a personal choice in our family and we took a lot of heat for it from family and friends. Other families may do it differently based on what they feel is right. I don't believe that there is one way to say goodbye to a loved one.
For me, it will be the same. No showing, no funeral.....but that really doesn't depend on my wishes, it will be based on what whoever is still here wants to do. But they know my feelings.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)At my funeral I hope everyone gets laid.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Those of us who chose to speak did so. His ashes went to places he loved. His friends and family celebrated his life with music food and spirits.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Me? I'll be cremated, my wife will take the cardboard box of ashes and dump it in the Mississippi river off the Wabasha St. Bridge in Saint Paul, MN. Then, whenever she feels like it, she'll have our friends and family over to talk and laugh about my life.
If you assume that there would be services or "visitations," I think you're putting too much of the religious tradition on it. Atheists do all sorts of different things about death.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)for both my uncle and his mother-in-law. My aunt is an atheist and she didn't want anything other than a gathering at her house of friends and family to remember her mom and her husband.
I'm not completely convinced my uncle was an atheist as he once confided in me (when we were driving home from my dad's, his brother's, funeral) that he thought there might be something out there. But we both agree that if there's something, it ain't the guy from the bible.
America lost some good liberal Dems when they passed but we try to keep their dreams alive.
RiskWrangler
(31 posts)to my wife a few months back. Growing up in the bible belt with it seems a relative or two passing away each year, I guess I've been to roughly 20 to 30 funerals and not once have I attended one that didn't feel like a church service. I posed the question to my wife in the form of a statement that someone should offer services for atheists, since I figured that no matter if they were atheist, a preacher did his thing at the pulpit because the vast majority were religious..and if you had a problem with it, then you either didn't show up to participate in the farse or you acted along with the holy ones in attendance. She says they have all sorts of funeral services at funeral homes and I/we have just never attended one that was for an atheist. I guess I'm going to have to make it a point to crash an atheist service just to experience it. I've been an atheist for as long as I can remember and never once have I ever felt the want/need to believe in such things. My wishes are to be cremated, rent out a downtown hotel's conference room to have a service with lots of booze and food, allow the over imbibers to stay at the hotel without a drunk driving incident, then have the immediate family pack their bags and fly my ashes to Kauai island where the ashes are to be sprinkled in the sea at Kee beach. The life insurance will easily cover the cost of the trip with plenty of room to spare.
brooklynite
(94,789 posts)It's neither a comforting setting for the anguished, nor is it an enjoyable space for a celebration of the deceased's life?
montanto
(2,966 posts)listen to some music, ride off on our Harleys, go have pizza/burgers. What I usually do; what I want to have done.
mykpart
(3,879 posts)you wouldn't gather with friends and family to share with each other how knowing the deceased changed your life. It can be comforting to family to know that their loved one was appreciated and loved by others. Somebody should open a funeral home for atheists.
Iggo
(47,577 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Once they were both safely dead we honoured the first wish, but not the second.
My parents called the family together at the family farm, and gave each of us two beer glasses - one containing some of my grandmother's ashes, the other some of my grandfather's. My mother's instructions were that each of us was to go out alone, to various places on the farm that held special memories for us. We were asked to sprinkle some of the ashes in each of those places. Afterwards we met back at the house for dinner.
When my atheist youngest sister (my whole family is atheist, BTW) died of throat cancer at the age of 36, she was cremated. We held a memorial service at the local Unitarian church, where all her friends and her palliative care nurses gathered to share memories of her. A few weeks later the family went on a short vacation to a rented cottage on a northern lake. The first night we all drank single malt and talked about her life until the wee small hours. Then we opened the bag containing her ashes, and ran our hands through them. It's quite something to pick up someone's ashes and let them trickle through your fingers like the sands of time.
That's what some atheists do for funerals.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)If you look at this page, at the top under "Alabama" you will see Ross Henry.
He used to occasionally preach at Northwoods Unitarian Church in The Woodlands, Texas (North of Houston)
Or a UU minister.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)I'm so not sure what I want. I want my family to mourn me like they wish....I don't want them to have to party or whatever just because I made some insensitive demand before I go. I am planning on writin a little bit of my own eulogy. Might be premature, but I want my words to comfort my friends and family. I've also though I've donating my body to research,,,,,a body with the issues I have may be quite informative.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)graveyard ceremony.
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)From what I understand in other countries, such as many European ones, with nonbelievers/atheism more common, the answer is yes they tend to have either burials or memorials. I've read that funerals, and marriages (their own or friends/family), are the only thing a large number of nonbelievers ever go to church for.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)and the shot off in a rocket over the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon... Yes, we thought that up before Hunter S. Thompson did it.
My sister's body is going to be dressed up as a Buddhist monk and lit on fire to protest the harming of animals for Thanksgiving. Then, we're loading her ashes as binder for some dynamite and bombing Minnesota. Nowhere in particular, just Minnesota.
I have the best conversations when waiting for funerals to start, heh.
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