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NNadir

(33,526 posts)
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 05:03 PM Sep 2019

Electricity Prices Around the World 2013.

Excuse this experiment in software management. I am working to gain better use of graphics in blog posts as I consider starting a private blog of my own.

This test graphic comes from an article I've been writing for some time on why negative electricity prices are economically and environmentally destructive. It will contain this graphic from a report by the interesting energy thinker at MIT, whose work I follow closely, Charles Forsberg. For the record, he is not nearly as hostile to so called "renewable energy" as I am - I think of it as an expensive sacred cow that is speeding the destruction of the planet - but despite this disagreement, he is an important realistic thinker on decarbonization with broad multidisciplinary insights.



The full report is here: MIT-ANP-TR-162

This post is just a test, and if it annoys anyone, I apologize.

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Doodley

(9,095 posts)
1. Yes, it is annoying to make the case that cheap electricity is worth the price of wrecking the
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:35 PM
Sep 2019

environment.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
2. You are entitled to you opinion here. But, you should post a better graph.
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:40 PM
Sep 2019

If you are trying to make the point that renewables are more expensive then you have not presented that in the graph. All you have presented is a single data point for Germany. Maybe the US is at 75% renewables (I know that is not the case, it's an example).

I cannot tell anything from the graph other than electricity is expensive in Germany. There are many factors in the price of electricity. There is not only generation, but transmission. Perhaps Germany has cheap generation but congested and expensive transmission.

You're graph is incomplete if you are trying to make any argument for or against any type of generation.

NNadir

(33,526 posts)
3. I fully recognize that the graph is of poor quality, which is why this is an experiment.
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:42 PM
Sep 2019

The original may be seen in the link to the MIT report, if you are interested.

It is, I think, an excellent report, well worth study, again, if one is interested.

As I stated in the OP, I am working on a full document which may include this graph, showing why the so called "renewable energy" scheme is an environmental and - if one is interested in people not enjoying the benefit of being bourgeois types who are indifferent to the greater mass of humanity that lives at very low living standards - ethical and economic disaster.

If so called "renewable energy" was as great as advertised, coal would not have been the fastest growing fuel in the 21st century, the atmosphere would not have accumulated 415 ppm measured this year of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide, and 7 million people would not be dying from air pollution every year as they have over the last several decades right up to and including now.

All of these statements, are, however facts, suggesting that the trillions of dollars squandered on mining, refining, forming and transporting transitory crap hyped as "renewable energy" is, in fact, a disaster.

I hope, in the final version of my take, which will rely heavily on Forsberg's more comprehensive data, if not his suggestions and conclusions, will include better graphics.

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