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Jim__

(14,077 posts)
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 04:57 PM Apr 2012

A physicist talks his way out of a traffic ticket.

He wrote a short physics paper to prove that the traffic cop couldn't really tell if he stopped at the stop sign. An excerpt from the article:

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Here's the abstract. If you were a busy judge, who'd studied law more intently than mathematics in school, how would you react to it?

"We show that if a car stops at a stop sign, an observer, e.g., a police officer, located at a certain distance perpendicular to the car trajectory, must have an illusion that the car does not stop, if the following three conditions are satisfied: (1) the observer measures not the linear but angular speed of the car; (2) the car decelerates and subsequently accelerates relatively fast; and (3) there is a short-time obstruction of the observer's view of the car by an external object, e.g., another car, at the moment when both cars are near the stop sign."

The paper is four pages of dense reading, filled with equations and graphs, but here's the simple version:

Krioukov argues the officer, watching at an angle about 100 feet away, confused the car's actual (or linear) speed with its angular speed -- the rate at which it seemed to go by. If you'd like an analogy, think of yourself on a railroad platform as the express roars past. As the train approaches in the distance, it doesn't seem to move much, but as it passes you -- going no faster -- it certainly seems to race by.

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Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
1. That's fine until he meets a judge who actually knows what the Chain Rule is.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 05:32 PM
Apr 2012

He didn't really need to differentiate in order to come up with what is commonly memorized by first semester physics students. But that's part of the trick.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. I had a very nice judge that told me nicely that he sympathized but if
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 05:49 PM
Apr 2012

the officer said I didnt stop, then I didnt stop.

In this case if the judge rule in favor of the physicist, wouldnt he be in effect saying that no police officer could be trusted to tell if someone stops or not?

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
5. No, it's not saying that no police officer can be trusted.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:57 PM
Apr 2012

To me, the gist of his argument is that another car was blocking the officer's view, so the officer couldn't actually see whether or not he stopped. If there was a car blocking the officer's view, then I agree that he cannot be found guilty. He has direct knowledge of whether or not he stopped. The officer is going by inference. Direct knowledge should win out over inference.

The idea that the police officer's testimony is always true and accurate - a common assumption in almost all court cases - makes it extremely difficult - if not impossible - for anyone to get a fair hearing. The idea that if the officer says you're guilty, then you're guilty, violates the presumption of innocence that our justice system is based on.

Warpy

(111,266 posts)
4. My ex did that once
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 05:50 PM
Apr 2012

using bafflegab from underwater acoustic engineering.

ETA:it had been foggy and he pulled it off for that reason.

JackintheGreen

(2,036 posts)
6. I got a friend out a ticket that way
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:00 PM
Apr 2012

except the issue at hand was who was at fault in an auto accident. Using basic physics it was easy to prove that the other driver was moving far in excess of the speed limit - thus causing the accident - mostly because my friend couldn't possible have accelerated into the intersection at the necessary rate.

But that somehow seems more honest.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
7. Note the date on the arXiv paper...
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 09:29 PM
Apr 2012

Submitted April 1, 2012

I wonder whether anyone has actually for checked court records on this?

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