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Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:17 PM Aug 2015

Dumbing down the history of science.

The man who brought history of science to America, George Sarton, spent many years studying science before turning to its history. The best historians of science have always been people with deep knowledge of the science whose history they write about, such as Thomas Kuhn and Owen Gingerich.

Stanford computer scientist Donald Knuth once gave a lecture titled "Let's Not Dumb Down the History of Computer Science". What he meant by that was that computer scientists should follow the example set by mathematicians, who have taken charge of the history of their own subject, rather than leaving it in the hands of historians who not only lack significant knowledge of mathematics, but have no interest in acquiring such knowledge. The sort of histories of science written the scientifically illiterate are so bad that they have brought tears to Knuth's eyes.

Unfortunately, the history of science in general is now dominated by scientific know-nothings. Typically employed in history departments, not departments of history of science, they cater to and are judged by other academic historians with little knowledge of and little interest in the technical content of science. And what's worse, they celebrate their "externalist" views of science. Like Bart Simpson, these underachievers are "proud of it, man".

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Dumbing down the history of science. (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Aug 2015 OP
What these fools have done is nothing short of a travesty. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2015 #1
Can you give a link dhol82 Aug 2015 #2
IIRC Donald Knuth gives some examples. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2015 #3
Should I read the paper he talks about before watching his talk? bananas Aug 2015 #6
I can't offer advice, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2015 #7
Here are a couple more links. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2015 #4
Thank you dhol82 Aug 2015 #5
From the ACM article: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #8
Donald Knuth is certainly sui generis. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2015 #9

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,648 posts)
1. What these fools have done is nothing short of a travesty.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:20 PM
Aug 2015

And our students, along with our future, suffer for it.

Shame on them.

K&R

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
2. Can you give a link
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:39 PM
Aug 2015

to show concrete examples? I am interested but do not know the inaccuracies.

I can do a web search if necessary.

Never knew there was such a problem with this particular area of history.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
6. Should I read the paper he talks about before watching his talk?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:59 PM
Aug 2015

Should I bother reading that paper at all?

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
7. I can't offer advice,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:58 PM
Aug 2015

since I didn't read the paper. But I've read other "externalist" papers. In fact, most of the papers in Isis are very much a view of science from the outside. Some would claim that this "broad" treatment (purr) is an improvement over "narrow" (snarl) internalist papers, but those of us with a background in science tend to describe the two approaches as "superficial" (snarl) and "deep" (purr), respectively.

(We all use purr-words and snarl-words, as Sam Hayakawa used to say.)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,326 posts)
8. From the ACM article:
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

"This is not one of his passionate interests outside computer science, such as his project reading verses 3:16 of different books of the Bible."

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