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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:31 PM Aug 2015

Report Indicates Bees Naturally Vaccinate Their Offspring

Never again can the anti-vaxxer crowd claim that vaccinations aren’t natural: since, according to a recent article released in the Financial Express, a similar process of vaccination employed by humans can also be found in bees.

Scientists from several Universities – including Arizona State University, University of Helsinki, University of Jyvaskyla and Norwegian University of Life Sciences – collaborated on a study which studied a bee blood protein called “vitellogenin.” After fifteen years of research into the protein, specialists are finally saying they’ve discovered how it works.

The Queen of a honey bee colony needs worker bees to provide her with sustenance. These bees can pick up “pathogens in the environment” during their duties as royal pollen and nectar collectors. This pollen is then used by worker bees in the hive to produce ‘royal jelly’, which is meant for the queen. Unfortunately, any bacteria picked up in the outside environment can get to the queen through this jelly.

Any bacteria that gets consumed by the queen is digested and stored in the queen’s “fat body”, which the article compares to the human liver. Components of the bacteria “are then bound to the vitellogenin and carried via blood to the developing eggs.” This process effectively vaccinates the immune systems of these eggs, providing for more immune system strength once they are hatched.

http://www.sciencerecorder.com/news/2015/08/02/report-indicates-bees-naturally-vaccinate-offspring/

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Report Indicates Bees Naturally Vaccinate Their Offspring (Original Post) IDemo Aug 2015 OP
I'm sorry but this is not vaccination. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #1
What if the protein units are carried to the gut cells of the developing embryo and DhhD Aug 2015 #2
It's not the delivery system that's at issue. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #3

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
1. I'm sorry but this is not vaccination.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

Not unless general immune funtions are now considered vaccination. Part of the immune system works by being exposed to pathogens and learning to recognize them so it can attack them. Vaccinations are targeted, not generalized. This system passes any pathogen markers it discovers along. This is akin to a mother passing her immune system to a baby through her breast milk until the baby develops an immune system of their own.


Vaccination work, we don't have to stretch things to prove that.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
2. What if the protein units are carried to the gut cells of the developing embryo and
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:12 PM
Aug 2015

injected in at the cell membrane?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
3. It's not the delivery system that's at issue.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:36 PM
Aug 2015

It's the generalized nature of it. Vaccines are targeted at specific diseases, at least by the definitions that I've seen. This is a catch all for any pathogen recognized by the queen bees immune system.

It's largely splitting hairs as vaccines make use of the general immune function.

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