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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:52 PM Feb 2013

What is the purpose of the Universe? Here is one possible answer.


George Dvorsky

The more we learn about the universe, the more we discover just how diverse all its planets, stars, nebulae and unexplained chunks of matter really are. So what is all this matter doing in our universe, other than just floating in space?

Well, it just so happens that there is a theory that gives a kind of raison d'etre to our universe and all the objects flying through it. If true, it would mean that our universe is nothing more than a black hole generator, or a means to produce as many baby universes as possible. To learn more, we spoke to the man who came up with the idea.

It's called the theory of Cosmological Natural Selection and it was conjured by Lee Smolin, a researcher at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics and and an adjunct professor of physics at the University of Waterloo.

In his book, The Life of the Cosmos, Smolin proposed that Darwinian processes still apply at the extreme macro-scale and to non-biological entities. Because the universe is a potentially replicative unit, he suggests that it's subject to selectional pressures. Consequently, nearly everything the universe does is geared toward replication.

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What is the purpose of the Universe? Here is one possible answer. (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2013 OP
An endlessly self-replicating, infinitely expanding fractal. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #1
But what is that fractal "in?" Hissyspit Feb 2013 #4
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #5
Exactly. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #6
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #9
There it is. (Dial up warning) freshwest Feb 2013 #8
Oh, yeah. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #10
Very cool! Champion Jack Feb 2013 #14
D&*$n, we would've killed for that in the 60's.......... lastlib Feb 2013 #15
The light show is free with every migraine, LOL! freshwest Feb 2013 #16
That's why I dont accept the label of "atheist", because there is a god and it's a fractal. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #13
That's an incredibly teleological take on it. FiveGoodMen Feb 2013 #2
That's apparently what Smolin is doing, TTE, What it does IS what it is for & what it does is patrice Feb 2013 #3
I think this is more speculating on what natural processes it may be subject to. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #12
Isn't the quantity of matter/energy of a sub-universe constrained by that of its parent? NoOneMan Feb 2013 #7
Isn't the whole point of dark energy or vacuum energy that 0>0, counter intuitive as it may be? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #11
The Ultimate Free Lunch caraher Feb 2013 #17
depends tama Feb 2013 #18
I thought it was already explained. Heywood J Feb 2013 #19
Actually, no, it's: lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #20
Why should it have a purpose ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2013 #21

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 PM
Feb 2013

That's the question, aint it.

My answer is, it's not "in" anything. It just is.

lastlib

(23,247 posts)
15. D&*$n, we would've killed for that in the 60's..........
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:15 AM
Feb 2013

"And if your head explodes, with dark forebodings, too,
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon...."

Or:

"Picture yourself in a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marshmallow skies...."

Or:
"For it's a land unknown to Man, where fantasy is fact,
So if you can, please understand, you might not come ba-aa-aaack......" (apologies for using a Nugent song.)

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
2. That's an incredibly teleological take on it.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:21 PM
Feb 2013

Why not just describe what it does and not make up shit about what it's "for"?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
3. That's apparently what Smolin is doing, TTE, What it does IS what it is for & what it does is
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:32 PM
Feb 2013

endlessly replicate the conditions for black holes that produce "fit" (in the Darwinian sense) universes that do the same thing.

Most of the comments to the article are more or less like yours.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
7. Isn't the quantity of matter/energy of a sub-universe constrained by that of its parent?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:37 PM
Feb 2013

So, the universe isn't replicating per se, but subdividing. Only if it is in itself expanding (fed by an expanding black hole of another universe) could its children ever hope to reach its size. I don't think then that "replicating" is necessarily the correct term. Perhaps its increasing in complexity by developing sub-universes.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Isn't the whole point of dark energy or vacuum energy that 0>0, counter intuitive as it may be?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:40 PM
Feb 2013

If that's the case, there may be more energy than everything knows what to do with.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
17. The Ultimate Free Lunch
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:56 AM
Feb 2013

It turns out that kind of constraint is not really constraining. Basically, a universe made of matter with space in between has positive energy bound up in its particles and negative energy in the form of gravity; those can add up to zero for something other than an empty universe.

So you can get "something" for zero energy when a new universe branches off from another one...

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
18. depends
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:02 AM
Feb 2013

If you start from zero energy "ontology" and symmetry of positive and negative energy, there's no quantitative limit.

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
21. Why should it have a purpose ?
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
Feb 2013

Just because humans have purpose, we think everything else must too. We might as plausibly assume the universe has a body, complete with eyes, nose, mouth, and all the rest, just because we do.

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