Bachmann: Obama arming terrorists proof ‘we’re in God’s end times

[cbayer]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327063-bachmann-obama-arming-terrorists-proof-were-in-gods-end-times

By Jonathan Easley - 10/07/13 07:32 PM ET

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) over the weekend accused President Obama of arming al Qaeda militants in Syria and said it was evidence “we’re in God’s end times.”



“This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists,” Bachmann said in a radio interview with Understanding the Times that was first reported by Right Wing Watch. “Now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s end times history.”

“Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice,” she continued. “Maranatha, come Lord Jesus, his day is at hand. When we see up is down and right is called wrong, when this is happening, we were told this; these days would be as the days of Noah.”

Bachmann said Obama waived restrictions under the Arms Export Control Act, with the result that taxpayers are “now paying to give arms to terrorists, including al Qaeda.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327063-bachmann-obama-arming-terrorists-proof-were-in-gods-end-times#ixzz2h9MAK8aX

[redstatebluegirl]

1. Maybe the Good Lord will just come get her and a few of her friends.

He may want to take them home and explain what "Jesus would really do" if he saw poverty, injustice and sickness.

[Blue Owl]

2. Please Lord take her now...

[WovenGems]

7. You are asking the wrong one. N/T

[TxDemChem]

9. Lol, so true

[trotsky]

3. Could you explain, please, when exactly it's OK to mock someone's religious beliefs?

The only guideline I seem to get from you, cbayer, is that it's OK to mock when you don't like the person who holds them.

[Old and In the Way]

8. When they use them in a way to further their political, social, and economic agenda?

The implication to me is that the Republican Party wants to become the only Party - the Theocratic Interpreter of our government's role as viewed by their subjective interpretation of the Bible. This type of psuedo-religious baloney has no place in our secular government...you know, separation of Church and State, and all.

[cleanhippie]

12. ALL believers do that in some way.

When liberal believers spew their religion to "further their political, social, and economic agenda" no one complains that it's "psuedo-religious baloney"....

[Drale]

29. No no not really

I believe in God and Heaven but I don't believe in organized Religion. I do not, nor have I ever "spewed" my religion for further my political, social, economic or anything other kind of agenda. I have asked people who don't believe to respect my right to believe and not call us stupid or ignorant, which I've been called and seen other called on this very site before. I have a mind of my own and would never let a book written 2000+ years ago and translated badly over and over dictate my life or my morals. Nor would I allow a church or a church leader to dictate my beliefs. Just because someone believes in something beyond our world, doesn't mean the "spew pseudo-religious baloney"

[trotsky]

41. But liberal believers do that too.

MLK - an American hero - used images and words of his faith in nearly all his speeches. One former poster in this group aggressively CHALLENGED non-believers to come up with non-Christians who played important roles in the civil rights movement. (His goal being, of course, to demonstrate that Christians and Christianity should get the credit for the movement.) When presented with evidence showing him wrong, he abandoned the thread. (And later, DU.)

[Old and In the Way]

47. I suppose....

still, seems to be a different perspective - using principles of 10 Commandments to be more accepting and inclusive rather than using it as a club to divide and exclude. WWJD? Sure would be swell if he'd weigh in on the Right's exclusive franchise ownership of the Christian brand.

[trotsky]

48. Ah but you didn't make that distinction.

You said:

"When they use them in a way to further their political, social, and economic agenda?"

And the left does that too. Of COURSE the left thinks their agenda is more accepting and inclusive. We all think our opinions are the best, don't we? Otherwise they wouldn't still be our opinions!

[BillyRibs]

4. When will somebody

Bitch slap this car crazy!?

[PearliePoo2]

5. And Caribou Barbie is right there with her in the asylum.

Snowdrift Sarah is another end times lunatic. Her entire background is made up of Dominionist, AIP and a little Bircher thrown in for the complete, bat-shit crazy "perfect storm".
Awwwwck....How do these dumb-shits get elected?

[cbayer]

6. Clearly they have a constituency. The critical question is whether that base is being

eroded by this crisis.

I listen to a lot of call in radio and I would say that it is, but we shall see.

[hrmjustin]

10. The bible says that only God the Father knows when the end is so she has no business saying these

things if she takes the bible literally.

[cleanhippie]

13. So you are using YOUR interpretation of the bible to refute hers?

Do you realize how nonsensical that is?

[hrmjustin]

14. It makes perfect sense to me. If she is a literalist the bible says only the father knows when the

end is.

[cleanhippie]

15. When you use your interpretation, you give hers just as much validity.

You can't both be right. And in the end, all that tactic does is legitimize her and her ilk.

[hrmjustin]

16. But in my view she is not right. And yes I use my interpetation because i am a believer in the bible

as well. Jesus was very clear according to the four gospels that only God knows the end times.

[cleanhippie]

17. Yeah, I get that you believe that. Do you get that you legitimize her in the process?

[hrmjustin]

18. Please explain how you see that I legitimize her?

[cleanhippie]

19. By using your belief to refute her, you legitimize her belief.

Seriously, you don't understand how that works?

[hrmjustin]

20. But I am a believer so I will not go after her the same way you would.

[cleanhippie]

22. No one is asking you to. But if you want your beliefs to be recognized as valid,

Then hers get equal validity, too.

Are you really not understanding the concept/point here?

[hrmjustin]

23. I understand that. that if any religious belief is valid then all can be valid. I get that.

We are just going to to go after her in different ways. I understand your view but I will stick with my argument.

[cleanhippie]

24. Do you also understand that anything showing her belief to be wrong, applies to yours, too?

[hrmjustin]

25. Yes i do. I accept that people will have criticism of my and others faith.

[cleanhippie]

26. It's not about criticism at all. It's about personal belief.

If you use your beliefs to refute hers, she can use her beliefs to refute yours. It's a zero-sum game your playing, and there will never be a victor. IOW, it's a fools errand. So what's the point of doing it?

[hrmjustin]

27. My point was the Jesus said only the Father knows when the end comes. That was my only point.

That is how I felt like refuting her.

[cleanhippie]

30. Your using words from the same book she is using, making you both right, or wrong.

The Westboro yahoos also use the words from the same book as you. When they are wrong, so are you. If you are right, so are they.

[hrmjustin]

32. Well we see it a bit differently and we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

[cleanhippie]

35. An objective viewpoint shows you both to be right or both to be wrong.

That's not something we can agree to disagree about.

[hrmjustin]

42. Well we can drink to it then.

[cleanhippie]

43. To objectivity!

Wait, how can you drink to something you won't do?

[hrmjustin]

44. Oh hell we just have to drink and work it all out later.

[cleanhippie]

45. It's worked out already. Lets just drink.

[hrmjustin]

46. There you go. Where is the bartender? I want a Gin and Tonic.

[Drale]

31. Not a personally belief

the bible actually says that only God knows when the end will come.

“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Mark 13:32

[cleanhippie]

33. The bible actually says a lot of things.

It says whatever the reader wants it to say.

That's the point. It's worthless as a source/basis for anything outside personal belief.

[Drale]

34. No in this case it actually says only God knows

no interpretation there. Now its whether you believe the bible or not. Its a poor source for historical knowledge but that doesn't mean you should demonize a book. Those people who use the bible to do bad, would do bad things with or without the bible, they are just bad people. Its not the bible that makes them bad.

[cleanhippie]

36. If I understand you correctly, you are using a literal interpretation, right?

Do you use the literal interpretation for the entire bible?

[Drale]

37. No, there are defiantly stupid shit in the Bible

and things that are far far far outdated, but only God knows when the End is coming is just a way of saying YOU or anyone else on this planet has not idea when the end is coming their for don't dwell on it too much and to further that point don't tell the world that you know the end is coming. Your attacking a fellow liberal because you don't like the bible or religion. Maybe you should focus your anger and hate towards the people who actually do bad things in the guise of religion, not the people who believe in God but are able to think for themselves.

[cleanhippie]

38. I'm not attacking a fellow liberal, I'm attacking the use of the bible as the rationale

For claiming a personal viewpoint is valid or not.

Do you understand that?

[noiretextatique]

39. enjoy your visit

[cleanhippie]

40. I live here. You enjoy yours.

[cleanhippie]

49. "not the people who believe in God but are able to think for themselves."

How do you tell the difference?

[longship]

11. Ms. Bachmann, your rubber room is ready.

Gees, she's barking mad.

[cbayer]

21. Barking mad!!

I had to look up the origin of that one.

[mahina]

28. No, Michele, but it proves that you're a loon.

End times, seriously?

As I told the door knockers, the world ends every night, and starts anew every morning.
The little 5 year old girl with them looked relieved.

Anyway....when they come to my door I tell them they can talk about religion for 5 minutes and I won't interrupt them, and then I have 5 minutes to talk to them about politics, uninterrupted.

My 5 minutes talks more about what Jesus told us, generally, than theirs, and they never come back.

End of tangent.

[dimbear]

50. Here's the big thread in GD which likewise is somewhat amusing but mostly just sad:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023802775

Good graphic, tho.

[cbayer]

51. Agree that the graphic makes the visit worth it.

[Gothmog]

52. Juanita Jean had some fun with this story

http://www.juanitajean.com/2013/10/08/apocalypse-alert-apocalypse-alert/

Do you want to know what her major concern is?

“We are seeing that in our time. Yes it gives us fear in some respects because we want the retirement that our parents enjoyed. Well they will, if they know Jesus Christ.”

If the apocalypse comes, she’s worried that she won’t get her retirement. She is not worried about fire and brimstone, no siree. She’s not even breaking a sweat over the three horsemen and the plague and crap. She is worried that she won’t get retirement. Yeah, that would be my big concern, too. ”Lord, do not come while there’s still a dollar in my retirement account.”

“Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand,” Bachmann added later.

So if Obama is bringing about something to rejoice, why the hell are you so damn mean to him? That’s the part I don’t get.

No, that’s not true. The part I really don’t get is how she remembers to breathe.

[cbayer]

53. That is hilarious!

She is a treasure.