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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:27 PM Sep 2013

After a Crisis of Faith, Finding a New Secular Mission

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/us/after-a-crisis-of-faith-finding-a-new-secular-mission.html?_r=0


Teresa MacBain is a former evangelical minister working with the Humanist Community Project at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN
Published: September 20, 2013

Nine days before Easter in 2012, the Rev. Teresa MacBain sent a letter to the congregants she had pastored for three years at a Methodist church in Tallahassee, Fla. For much of that time, she had preached the Gospel every Sunday, only to slip each Monday into tormented doubt.

Finally, she realized her faith crisis was over. She no longer believed in God. The daughter of a minister, the product of a divinity school, the enthusiastic evangelist doing the Lord’s will, she told her followers that she was resigning her pulpit.

Her first public comments, a few weeks later, sounded brash, as she told a convention of atheists that she would gladly burn in hell with them. Deeper inside, however, she felt more sorrow than triumph, more exile than liberation.

“After I stepped away from my ministry, I literally stepped off the cliff," Ms. MacBain, 45, recalled in a recent interview. “I didn’t know what life would be like without a church. I was depressed. I was out there in limbo all at once. There is no community. There is no social network. The majority of friendships are gone. There is no place I can go every week where I know people and they know me.”

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longship

(40,416 posts)
1. I wonder if she's aware of the "Clergy Project"
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

The support group for atheist clergy who are going through what she is going through. Dan Barker of the FFRF was one of the people who started it. Apparently, it's a good group. But it keeps its membership secret, as it should.

Heaven help us if we start outing atheists who aren't ready, willing, and able to come out of the closet. (Related to an interesting post by rug, earlier today.)

Apparently a common reason that religious people turn to non-belief is studying the Bible. Or, so they say. It would be interesting to study such a thing.


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. I would think she would be aware of it, as she is exactly the
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:14 PM
Sep 2013

kind of person they are reaching out to.

The meme that people turn to atheism after reading the bible is tired and untrue, imo. I do think that many who are raised in a religious environment may ask questions and see contradictions as they learn more about their particular religion and this may lead them to recognize that they just don't believe.

But I continue to think that belief and lack of belief are pretty innate qualities that are highly individualized. For every person that has embraced a belief system or embraced non-belief, a think there are that many reasons why.

This is why I reject the notion that people should just walk away from their religious beliefs. To me it's like telling a GLBT person that they should just walk away from their sexual orientation.




longship

(40,416 posts)
3. That's why I posed the question.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:52 PM
Sep 2013

I wasn't sure that I can buy that narrative. But I hear it often enough that it might bear studying it.

And your relating atheism similar to LGBT would likewise be controversial. I am not sure I buy that. Gender expression is clearly a congenital thing, but I don't know if atheism/belief is. That would be another question for Dennett's proposed scientific study of religion. Why do people believe or not believe?

These things fascinate me. I think it is helpful to ponder them and discuss them even without finding resolutions.

I guess that's why this forum exists. It's certainly why I keep coming back here. That, and the overall general politeness of many DUers here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Let me ask you this question, longship.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:10 PM
Sep 2013

Could you choose to be a believer? Or is you lack a belief a part of who you are?

There are those (not all) who have tried to believe and can't. The reverse is true as well.

I'm not saying it's true for all. I think some people believe because that is how they were raised and there are aspects of their religion other than the belief in a god that appeals to them. And then there are others who don't really believe or not believe. They just don't know and are comfortable with that.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. That's a good way to put it.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:33 PM
Sep 2013

But in the end my answer to that question doesn't mean that that it is congenital that I don't believe. I think it probably is congenital but there's no science to confirm or deny it. Therefore, I have to withhold any firm opinion either way. I have to say, I think it is, but I don't really know. I can convince myself that there are counter-examples, too.

This is why Dennett's idea to study these things may be an important one. It's one reason why I support him fairly strongly here.

Another aspect of the claim is that it tends to delve fairly deeply into the murky waters of evolutional psychology which is a controversial subject in its own right.

So, I have to just shrug in spite that I personally think it very well may be true.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. There may be some way to look at this in the future.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:41 PM
Sep 2013

Watched a fascinating show on PBS last week about how the neurosciences are being used in new ways that give amazing insights into the brain.

Can't remember the name, but Alan Alda did it and it involved a single court case and all the ways new technology could be used.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Yup. Saw the first two episodes.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:53 PM
Sep 2013

It was about brain science in the justice system.

That's another dodgy thing, too. The brain is fucking complex and we have a long way to go before we understand how it all works, which is basically the conclusion they came to. (Sorry, Ray Kurzweil.)

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. Bingo! I like her even more.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:37 PM
Sep 2013

I already liked what she was saying. But now it looks like she really puts her money where her mouth is. She really has her boots on the ground in this.

Impressive person.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
10. Saint Paul warned us cogently to beware of new converts. One of his wiser remarks, as
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 06:24 PM
Sep 2013

they have a tendency to go from new god to new god, or perhaps with a blank space in between.

Prefer someone whose opening isn't "Well, I've been lying for a long time, but now here's some truth."

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