NALT Christians

[xfundy]

This is encouraging, but about 30 years too late.

http://notalllikethat.org/

[QSkier]

1. I'd like to know how many atheists in the last, say 30 years

Objected to LGBT folks being given equal rights.

Think we could round up 10 or 20, compared to those 10-20 THOUSAND "christians" who went on the record opposing equal rights in the USA?

Somehow, Canada, and England and a dozen other countries that were mostly "Christian" nations, didn't wind up where we are, still with over a dozen daily broadcasts on cable TV telling us LGBT folks are from the Devil, or something as silly.

Yet, we give these folks incredible tax breaks, their own private jets, swimming pools. Anybody catching on? No?

Some here still feel religion has a right to tax free status, and does such "good work"? If one posts here and claimd religious organizations have contributed SO MUCH to America, have saved us billions upon billions in public outlays, have saved so many dollars, , and have made America a better place than would have happened without religion, Show us that proof, and Show us the money!

https://www.facebook.com/Pass28thAmendment

[cbayer]

3. This isn't about that. It's about GLBT christians and their advocates standing up for

civil rights, and that is a cause for celebration, not updating the scoreboard.

But sure, use a really positive event to bash christians.

Good luck with that 28th Amendment campaign, lol.

[QSkier]

4. I wasn't born yesterday, or the day before

I remember being lectured in a "Christian" church about the evils of homosexuality, only a few dozen years ago.

Celebrate that some Christians today are more desirous of justice than their Christian parents were, or that other less enlightened Christians now believe?

I don't celebrate half a victory if the battle is still going on.

Come back to us and report when all religiously affiliated people on this planet have agreed that we should all celebrate diversity in the human species, that will be a day when religious people can claim a small victory over their sordid and ugly past.

Until then, why celebrate the concept of religion, when most of what has advanced our human species came from sources outside of widely-held "religious" thinking, thinking that still persists for more tha a billion out of seven billion humans alive today? Why celebrate while the battle for justice and rational thinking is still so far behind a final victory, and why associate justice and rational thinking with religion, where it has failed so many times before today, and still fails to "win out" for so many humans alive today, based upon their chosen "religion"?

[hrmjustin]

5. Not all churches are Homophobic. I am a proud Christian and Gay man.

[QSkier]

6. I have known for longer than you have been alive that fact, dear man

Most churches were not as homophobic 100 years ago, as those are now.

Try to open your vision, and not see everything as only today, and only related to you and your faith, whatever it is.

You have betrayed the nature of religion, while trying to defend the concept of religion, by saying "not all churches are homophibic"

Try asking yourself this question: why should any church anywhere be homophobic?" and how did that become part of "religion" to be fearful of people different than yourself? If you can't answer that, join hundreds of millions of Christians and Jews and Muslims who never bothered to ask why any church should ever be "homophobic". Why is that a question? Why would people be "phobic" of other humans?

Why is this a modern day issue you have to defend when the question is about religion?

[hrmjustin]

7. I agree this is a great question.

I think Christians and other people of faith are asking these questions in their houses of worship. Things are changing fast in some Churches and painfully slow in others.

[cbayer]

8. Have you taken a look at this project?

It is being set up to counter just the kind of prejudice you are expressing.

Do you know who Dan Savage is? Would you like to take it up with him?

Who is the "us" that I am supposed to report to?

[QSkier]

9. Are you Dan Savage's lover?

I don't think you understand Christianity if you think Dan Savage is something Christianity and LGBT folks agree upon often.

Perhaps in your little corner of the West Coast you have a few thousand among the dozens of millions of Americans that call themselves Christians, but if you think Dan Savage is the new voice of American Christendon, sorry to wake you up to the fact that Iowa and Indiana exist, with milions each who have never heard of Dan Savage, and never would invite this guy to speak in their church.

Sorry if your view of Christianity is so filled with LGBT stars of the left, for each of them, there's a few thousand blue collar folks and white collar folks, who don't want that guy in their church.

Sometime you'll realize you have a very singularly myopic view of Christianity, mostly from the outer left-wing fringe. If that's your version of Christianity, why hold onto it, when this kind of view is basically what is main-stream atheism?

[cbayer]

11. Why yes, I am, but please don't tell his husband, lol.

You and your scoreboard are pretty hilarious. Are you a Poe?

You by no means represent mainstream atheism, Mr. Skier. You are about as extreme as they come.

[cbayer]

2. Looks great. Hardly the first group to organize around this, but looks like a pretty

large coalition with some excellent leadership.

It's never too late when it comes to fighting for civil rights.

The internet is flooded with articles about this group right now, if anyone is interested in reading more.

I love me some Dan Savage.

[QSkier]

10. Christians claiming, "love me some Dan Savage", desperation!

Most of those that do this here, probably just here to argue, not to advance their religions.

Either that, or too afraid to put their beliefs on the line for all to see, mostly anonymous on-line folks, pretending to be important because they learned to argue somewhere in their schooling, don't have mucht to contribute without showing the bravery Dan Savage does, revealing his real life and true beliefs. Some people are just born to be internet chickens, claiming to love the brave people of their generation, without ever revealing a single fact about their personal identity like Dan does.

Some people are just internet cowards pretending to be wise and brave, cannot fool us all. Real Christians know when to be brave, and when to put their lives and beliefs on the line, real cowards stay hidden behind thousands of self-contradictory posts, claiming to be real.

[cbayer]

12. Yep, that's me. A desperate christian.

Wrong on both counts, but that's not a surprise.

If you try a little harder, you might be able to get a few more ad hominems in a single post.

C'mon. I know you can do it! You've done much better than this.