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Related: About this forumWhat do you think happens when you die?
Do you think that is the end of your existence or do you think there is an afterlife? What do you think that afterlife is like? For those who think there is nothing how does it make you feel?
As many of you know I do believe in heaven, but no hell. I believe we will be reunited with our loved ones. I like to think that heaven is pure joy but I have no clue.
What do you think happens after death?
rug
(82,333 posts)The River
(2,615 posts)to who you are and always have been,
outside of and prior to Time.
yourout
(7,532 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Life and death occur all around us, all the time. It does not make me afraid to think that someday I will end.
shatters into a hundred pieces.
In the great death
there is no heaven, no earth.
Once body and mind have turned over
there is only this to say:
Past mind cannot be grasped,
present mind cannot be grasped,
future mind cannot be grasped.
http://www.gardendigest.com/zen/quotes6.htm
[font size="1"]John 19:30[/font]
rug
(82,333 posts)If that's it, I'm fine with it too. But if that's not it, what's wrong with that?
mucifer
(23,559 posts)dying child.
Good strength to you, mucifer.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)You have my upmost respect and gratitude.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)We return to the oblivion from which we came.
How does it make me feel? It used to bother me, but now i realize that it did not bother me too much before I was born, probably wont bother me afterwards.
I think it was epicurus who said something along the lines of, I do not fear death for I will not be around to miss my own passing.
rug
(82,333 posts)-Letter to Menoeceus
Here's the whole letter.
http://www.epicurus.net/en/menoeceus.html
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)I was searching for the exact quote but couldn't find it at the time of posting!
Thanks!
rug
(82,333 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)died and reported back to the rest of us.
Reincarnation - I hope not, particularly if it means coming back to this planet. Now if I had a chance to go elsewhere,
that would be interesting. I don't believe for one minute that this planet is the only place in the Universe with intelligent life.
Death as the end of my existence? - I would be ok with that as that would represent total peace in my opinion because there would no knowledge of what transpired. It would be like flipping a switch. I feel no need to leave a legacy.
If there is a heaven? - I have no interest in be reunited with my loved ones. I figure that there would be so many more interesting people to meet. I would rather find out what really happened at pivotal historical moments.
When you look at what is going on in the world these days there are just some people I don't want to spend time with. When the time comes that I die, I still don't want to around some of these people. Ultimately, I would probably hope for the end of my existence and obtain true everlasting peace.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Some accounts of near-death experiences have me thinking that something might lie in store for us. But perhaps not.
Life and the universe just seem so fantastic, so beautiful. I can't begin to fathom the stuff that lies behind it all. In this life, we get to glimpse just a bit of it, who knows what else is there? I'm pretty good at the equations, even quantum and relativistic stuff, but these seem like clever tricks that only partially capture the thing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You cease to be.
How's it make me feel? Just fine. About the only effect it has on me is I value our lives more than a lot of religious folks I know.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)keeping my fingers crossed, anyway.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)and nobody's home.
Sort of like it was before you were born.
longship
(40,416 posts)You die and your existence as a human ends. But that doesn't end the molecules or atoms in your former body. They get recycled. Part will become part of the plants and maybe some animals. Other atoms may escape the earth altogether and be recycled along with the vast number of atoms all over the universe. The vast number of atoms in your body means that all these, and everything between, will inevitably happen to at least some of your atoms. Parts of you may become part of a star or a planet. If the latter, it may become part of another lifeform of which we never will know about.
That's pretty cool and wonderful in itself. I cannot think of a more noble destiny.
Warpy
(111,327 posts)Nobody knows anything about it because nobody has been able to come back to tell us about anything but the hallucinations as their dying brains flood with endorphins and enkephalins.
However, believe whatever gives you comfort. Just realize there is no basis for that belief.
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)You realize what you really are, what you always were, and that this life was just a particular mask that you took on for a period of time to experience yourself from another perspective. TL;DR; you're god, but as god it gets kind of boring because you are everything and everywhere, so you fracture yourself into different perspectives. Essentially, there is only one of us.
Agree totally with your insight. It also answers the question of why the ONE creates...it creates because it wants to experience itself in infinite places, situations and conditions.
Yooperman
(592 posts)I will post my understanding after I read all the others... but I think you are on the right track.
YM
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)but nobody's home.
Can't really find a solid "you" or "me" that will have a happening after death.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)I believe that we cease to exist when we die, but we also live on in the way that our existence has changed the world and influenced the people around us, for better or worse.
I realize that the concept of heaven where we are reunited with our loved ones and live happily ever after is a comforting thought, especially when a loved one passes away. I'd like to believe it too, but that's all I think it is -- a fiction that we comfort ourselves with, and that religious leaders tell us as an incentive to follow them. If there is some kind of an afterlife where our "souls" go, how can we humans possibly understand it?
railsback
(1,881 posts)as a child, and even 40 years later, I can remember it as if it just happened. I'm no where near being religious, but as bizarre and magnificent as this universe is, I do believe that death is just physical.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Actual physical contact! Did you save some slime?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)We are star stuff.
That's what I tell my kids when the subject arises. We are the stuff that makes a universe. They are fine with it and so am I. I get sort of an ethereal feeling thinking about it. It's a good thing.
Tien1985
(920 posts)Just being part of the universe is good. It is a nice feeling.
safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)make the best of it. This realization has been my guide to a moral life.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)...and this is coming from an Agnatheist ... but this is my feeling....and it's kind of winding to describe but whatever.
So you know when you're involved in something stressful, like a car accident or something where when you look back at it, the event goes on FOREVER. A 3 second event, in your mind, lasts for minutes. You can remember every detail of the window breaking, the tires screeching...and time gets back to "normal" once the car stops spinning or the accident is over.
Well to me, the "eternity" of death is that last moment of life, the last miliseconds of life. And, like the 2 second car accident that lasts for 4 minutes in your mind, that last millisecond is stretched out forever, because there's no "event" to end it. I mean, death happens but...I dont' know. It sounds very metaphysical for someone who has absolutely no belief in ghosts or life after death or anything....but I think that milisecond, the last thought in our head, is our "eternity", and that the idea of heaven and hell is really that last thought you have, the realization of the type of life you lead, the type of person you were, the goodness or evil you did for or towards other.
Hell isn't just other people. Hell is us. Hell is our deepest realization of how we slighted others in our life, and the inability to ever do anything about it, to never be able to right those wrongs, to say "i'm sorry." To take it back.
Heaven is the absence of those feelings.
I know that many religions see hell or damnation as the absence of God, the absence of light. I see it backwards.
I see Hell as the ultimate, never-ending guilt of how poorly we treated others. And the inability to ever do anything about it. Eternal regret without any resolution.
I see Heaven as the absence of those feelings. Heaven, basically, is that millisecond ending. Heaven is nothingness.
Now, do I sit and think about these thoughts and base my life on them? No. But they're the thoughts my husband and my friends have after we've had a few beers and maybe passed a J around the table and get into ridiculous nothingness discussions.
Get me REALLY drunk and I'll tell you my thoughts that the God = the brain = the universe, and how we're all part of something infinitely bigger and something infinitely smaller and that us trying to describe the universe is like a mitochondria in my cell trying to describe the mailbox outside my house.
But I need *really* good reefer for *that* conversation
Ted Brown
(27 posts)"The amount of water in the human body ranges from 50-75%"
http://chemistry.about.com/od/waterchemistry/f/How-Much-Of-Your-Body-Is-Water.htm
The rest of the body, eventually, rejoins the planet as elements and molecules.
Some Native American tribes believe that their ancestors become part of the blessings of rain clouds for their crops, which, in reality, is at least 50% true as a matter of science.
As for what is one's "soul" or "spirit". I think we have no evidence to believe one thing or another, what one religion claims or what another religion claims, all are equally without evidence, so we are all free to believe whatever we choose to believe. And there's no paucity of options for what to believe.
Definitely an interesting and a revealing question.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)Cooling to room temperature.
aristocles
(594 posts)rso
(2,273 posts)I think we wake up and realize that we've been dreaming.
mucifer
(23,559 posts)end stages of the dying process.Dying people often talk to those who have died. Yes, it could be the brain shutting down. But, I don't believe it. I have seen it happen fairly frequently as a hospice nurse. And after my best friend died in our apartment, his sister and I could feel his presence for a few days. We could feel him laughing at our bad jokes. We could sense his presence. Then he was gone. Yes, it could have been in our minds from our strong grief. But, I don't think so. I think he was there.
It all made me so certain G-d doesn't hate gay people. Because I know for sure he is at peace.
Yeah not very scientific. But, I don't care.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Last edited Wed May 15, 2013, 09:54 PM - Edit history (1)
You and everyone who lived before you and who will live after you.
You enter nothingness; the state out of which you came...
edited for verb tense...
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)have of karma and reincarnation. I would like to be reincarnated as a beautiful person in a beautiful time where people have learned to take care of each other.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I'm toooo cool.
Seriously, I think a million different things. But believe in one. My soul will be in heaven. Whatever that may be. I don't believe heaven is a concept I can envision in this state I'm in. More like my soul will return to God. I don't think I'll be on a cloud or in some sort of dimension or anything. I dunno if that makes any sense..
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...is Paul Simon's answer (see video below).
However, the part of Paul's lyrics that I like best is at the end of the song:
And you feel like swimming in an ocean of love, and the current is strong.
But all that remains when you try to explain is a fragment of song...
Lord is it, Be Bop A Lu La or Ooh Poppa Do
I have a lot of music and lyrics occupying space in my brain, accumulated from all stages of my life. I expect that the last breath I exhale will carry with it the line of some long remembered song. Among the songs I recall are many that have helped me form my convictions about life and about death. One I sing quite often as I walk around the fields with the dogs is a variant of the song "Bristlecone Pine" written by Hugh Priestwood. It's a variant because I have modified the lyrics to match my thoughts on the 'afterlife'. (My lyrical modifications are italicized.)
Way up in the mountains, on a high timber line,
There's a twisted old tree called the bristlecone pine.
The wind there is bitter, it cuts like a knife
And keeps that tree holding on for dear life.
Hold on it does, standing its ground,
Holding as empires rise and fall down.
When the Pharaohs were gilding their coffins with gold
The tree was already two thousand years old.
From what I have learned I confirm for myself,
When I die I won't be anywhere else.
So when my time is over it would suit me just fine
To be placed at the foot of a bristlecone pine.
Then as I slowly return to the earth
What little this body of mine might be worth
Would soon start to nourish the roots of that tree
And it could partake of the substance of me.
And who knows as the centuries turn
Some part of me might continue to burn,
As long as the sun does continue to shine
Down on the limbs of the bristlecone pine.
From what I have learned I confirm for myself,
When I die I won't be anywhere else.
So when my race has been run I'd think it sublime,
To rest at the foot of a bristlecone pine.
Way up in the mountains, on a high timber line,
There's a twisted old tree called the bristlecone pine.
Here's a video of Michael Johnson singing the song as written. The Paul Simon video follows - on a lighter note.
Thanks for asking the question, hrmjustin.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Yooperman
(592 posts)We have chosen to enter this low vibration, dense part of the Universe. Our normal home is a non physical world of Light. Our Soul chooses to separate itself in this dimension and enters a fetus. There we start programing our future brain to give us the best chance to live out a life we hope to experience. With practice we get better and more effective with our programming as we enter more fetuses and continue to improve the biological computers that we will be using while in this dimension. We are the Creators. We create the life we choose to create.
The challenges we face in each lifetime teach us in a very accelerated way.... even though we don't realize that very well once we are here. But you can look at life is like a boot camp.... a very intense learning experience. One that just can't happen in the non physical world we come from since there we know we are all connected with everything and everyone. Here we have created an illusion of being separated.
We as Beings of Light choose to do this time and time again until we have experienced all that the Earth and this dimension can teach us. Many of us have lived thousands upon thousands of lifetimes. Eventually, we "graduate" and decide that we no longer need to return...although many times Beings will return only to help a Loved one along in their own particular journey.
So in ending.... we are all Beings of Light on a unique journey particular to our Soul. We do come here with other Beings that we are close with... and help each other along the way. Trading spots... Husbands... wifes... children... male... female.... gay... straight... ugly... beautiful.... big ... small....wealthy...poor... the list goes on and on... there is so much to experience as a human.
This is why all past Masters instruct their followers not to judge others. You have no idea why a person is where they are or what they are experiencing for the good of their Soul.
To understand this more in depth...
"Your Soul's Gift" by Robert Schwartz
Good Luck on your journey... may you learn all that your Soul hoped to learn while here.
Peace be with you...
YM
pink-o
(4,056 posts)Cuz all that matters is here and now and what we make of it
I'm very old and I figure that whatever questions I've asked, if I don't have the answers by now, then I wasn't meant to have them.
Fine by me.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Heaven usually has us as pure joy, which isn't who we are. How could we know what is happening on Earth and just feel joyous?
We forget who we are when we reincarnate.
No afterlife obviously involves an annihilation of the self.
Hell and The Underworld retains the self at first, but I imagine we would become something completely different after thousands of years of torture and/or despair.
I don't know what happens, but I suspect that our afterlife is just like our before life.
I watched a documentary on TV about this, but I can't remember its name. The documentary said that Hell was a mass cremation pit here on Earth. Criminals would be thrown into this pit of fire instead of being given a proper, honorary burial. If this is true, then this version of Hell would "change" the meaning of some Biblical passages. This would also fit in very nicely with your interpretation of Christian afterlife, in my opinion.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Do you get "reunited" with BOTH of them in heaven?
At the same time?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)not happy.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I plan to enjoy the entire experience.
formercia
(18,479 posts)Editor's Note: Kerry Egan is a hospice chaplain in Massachusetts and the author of "Fumbling: A Pilgrimage Tale of Love, Grief, and Spiritual Renewal on the Camino de Santiago."
By Kerry Egan, Special to CNN
As a divinity school student, I had just started working as a student chaplain at a cancer hospital when my professor asked me about my work. I was 26 years old and still learning what a chaplain did.
"I talk to the patients," I told him.
"You talk to patients? And tell me, what do people who are sick and dying talk to the student chaplain about?" he asked.
I had never considered the question before. Well, I responded slowly, Mostly we talk about their families.
Do you talk about God?
Umm, not usually.
Or their religion?
Not so much.
The meaning of their lives?
Sometimes.
And prayer? Do you lead them in prayer? Or ritual?
Well, I hesitated. Sometimes. But not usually, not really.
I felt derision creeping into the professor's voice. So you just visit people and talk about their families?
Well, they talk. I mostly listen.
Huh. He leaned back in his chair.
--snip--
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)unrepentant progress
(611 posts)Except without "me," whatever "me" might be.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)CrispyQ
(36,501 posts)If all times exist simultaneously, then you kind of live forever.
Huh?
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Not many examples of that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangsian_fantasy
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Seriously, though...I believe that, until the Second Coming, it's soul sleep for everyone who dies.