75% of Pakistani Muslims think the penalty for adultery should be stoning

[muriel_volestrangler]

http://www.pewforum.org/Muslim/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia.aspx

84% of them think Sharia should be the law of the land; of those, 89% think the penalty for adultery should be stoning, and 76% of them support the death penalty for apostasy from Islam (ie 64% of all Pakistani Muslims). Only 34% of those wanting sharia law want it applied to non-Muslims too, but, with the death penalty for apostasy supported so strongly, anyone 'born a Muslim' doesn't have much of a way out in this worldview.

Overall, 60% of Egyptian Muslims support stoning. 35% of Indonesian Muslims. 52% of Malaysian Muslims (and 35% of them want sharia to apply to everyone, despite nearly 40% of Malaysians being non-Muslim; 53% of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy).

These are major countries. Malaysia would claim to be relatively advanced. But large proportions of them have had bloodthirsty fantasies installed in their heads as retribution for actions that don't harm society. By Islam.

[Skittles]

1. disgusting

[dimbear]

2. It's a long hard fight for or against modernity, my friends. I've chosen my side.

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You?


**We have our domestic versions, of course, usually not so violent.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations/amish.htm

It all depends on whether you judge that the secret language of God is Arabic or High German.

[cleanhippie]

10. +1

[Turbineguy]

3. If they had a little more money

they could donate to the GOP!

[rug]

4. 65% of Americans support the death penalty.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/death-penalty-statistics/

Granted, the question wasn't asked if it should apply to adultery.

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Which is bad, but a murderer is a danger to society

Someone who has consensual sex with a person other than their spouse isn't. Someone who decides to leave a religion isn't. Islam has persuaded most Pakistani followers to want to behave like psychopaths in response to someone breaking a promise to someone else.

[hrmjustin]

5. Absolutely disgusting!

[struggle4progress]

7. Why do you think the numbers vary so much from country to country?

The survey says 4% of Muslims favor the death penalty for leaving Islam in Kazakhstan but gives the figure of 86% in Egypt

[LiberalAndProud]

8. It is possible that the political environments shape polling outcomes.

Kazakhstan:

The new religious freedom laws have wiped out 579 Protestant communities, Islamic sects, groups and faith communities that have less than 50 registered members. According to Kairat Lama Sharif, chairman of Kazakhstan’s Agency for Religious Affairs, the number of religious groups has dropped by 13% since 21 October, the date the law came into effect. Many Protestant communities, including Christian Baptists and Seventh-Day Adventists, will be forced to worship in private homes and under strict state control. The Kazakh government has sent a letter to all communities, inviting them to comply with the news regulations or else cease their activity. Religious groups have been given one year to get member numbers up to the necessary minimum required for registration. But for 12 months, no faith with less than 50 members can celebrate publicly, even if they have complied with all previous laws.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/kazakistan-chiesa-church-iglesia-24404/

Egypt:

The second article of the new constitution reads: "Islam is the religion of the state, Arabic is the official language and the principles of Islamic Sharia (law) is the main source of legislation."

The third grants Christian and Jewish communities in Egypt the right to resort to their own laws and principles in their personal lives, religious matters and in choosing their spiritual leaders.

Disputes over whether legislation should be based on the "principles" or the "laws" of Islam were exhausted during the drafting process but legal experts say that the key is in the actual application of the law and not the wording of the text.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/egypt-atheism--461206

[struggle4progress]

9. That seems plausible to me, though I think it would be good to have a detailed and definite answer

to the question, if possible, since (for example) we have people with such creepy views even here in the US: fortunately, they currently seem to be a small minority, but it would be worth understanding under what circumstances their numbers might suddenly grow

... Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."

According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Rushdoony concludes: "God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them." Reconstructionists insist that "the death penalty is the maximum, not necessarily the mandatory penalty." However, such judgments may depend less on Biblical Principles than on which faction gains power in the theocratic republic. The potential for bloodthirsty episodes on the order of the Salem witchcraft trials or the Spanish Inquisition is inadvertently revealed by Reconstructionist theologian Rev. Ray Sutton, who claims that the Reconstructed Biblical theocracies would be "happy" places, to which people would flock because "capital punishment is one of the best evangelistic tools of a society."

The Biblically approved methods of execution include burning (at the stake for example), stoning, hanging, and "the sword." Gary North, the self-described economist of Reconstructionism, prefers stoning because, among other things, stones are cheap, plentiful, and convenient. Punishments for non-capital crimes generally involve whipping, restitution in the form of indentured servitude, or slavery. Prisons would likely be only temporary holding tanks, prior to imposition of the actual sentence ...

Christian Reconstructionism
March/June 1994
Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence
by Frederick Clarkson

[LiberalAndProud]

11. Isn't it true that dominionists already enjoy great political power?

I believe Dog Coe (The Family) is a Dominionist. It really is very frightening.

[struggle4progress]

12. Terminology may not be used consistently:

What is Dominionism? Palin, the Christian Right, & Theocracy
by cberlet
Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:13:19 AM PDT

... "Christian Reconstructionism" is a form of "Dominion Theology" that influenced a tendency toward "Dominionism" in the Christian Right and certain evangelical churches such as The Assemblies of God. But, lumping of these theologies together is neither accurate, nor fair ... So let's choose our language carefully, but let's recognize that terms such as "dominionism" and "theocracy," when used cautiously and carefully, are appropriate when describing anti-democratic tendencies in the Christian Right ... It helps to see the terms dominionism, dominion theology, and Christian Reconstructionism as distinct and not interchangeable. While all Christian Reconstructionists are dominionists, not all dominionists are Christian Reconstructionists ... It makes more sense to reserve the term "dominion theology" to describe specific theological currents, while using the term "dominionism" in a generic sense to discuss a tendency toward aggressive political activism by Christians who claim they are mandated by God to take over society. Even then, we need to locate the subject of our criticisms on a scale that ranges from soft to hard versions of dominionism.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/