Georgia teen who shot parents wanted to read bible, not to do chores.

[cleanhippie]

Investigators in Columbus, Georgia say that a 15-year-old boy shot his parents because they asked him to do chores when he wanted to look up a Bible verse for a friend who wanted to be “saved.”

In a court hearing on Monday, Detective Amanda Hogan explained that the teen felt he had a mission to find the correct Bible verse for his friend on Thursday. But his parents insisted that he first complete his chores, which included getting an old comforter packed up so that it could be donated to Goodwill, according to the Ledger-Enquirer.

Hogan said that the boy’s rage grew overnight, and when he came home from school on Friday, he took a 9mm handgun from his parents nightstand and hid it in his room. After his parents returned from work, their son opened fire. Stepmother Kristi Askevich, 45, was hit in the right wrist. Randal Askevich, the boy’s 40-year-old father, was shot in the right hip.

When police arrived, they stayed outside the home because the parents were reportedly still being held at gunpoint. Randal Askevich later got his son to turn over the gun, and Kristi Askevich came outside to explain the situation to police.

Kristi Askevich told police that the boy was on several medications. Both parents were shocked that he had shot them.

http://syndicatednewsservices.com/2013/04/17/georgia-teen-who-shot-parents-wanted-to-read-bible-not-do-chores/

The dangers of Religious indoctrination in action.

[rug]

1. You really should learn the scientific method.

You have such broad conclusions resting on such narrow evidence.

[Exultant Democracy]

6. Scientific method... irony abounds.

[rug]

7. It is ironic.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

2. Ironic.

[winterpark]

3. What a good job that bible does for people... n/t

[Xipe Totec]

4. Start by reading commandments IV and V

IV - Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

V - You shall not murder.

[kestrel91316]

9. Like the typical fundie, he apparently was a cherrypicker of the highest order.

Totally missed out on the 4th Commandment while obsessing over some sort of trivia in the NT.

Betcha he wouldn't know the Sermon on the Mount if it came up and bit him in the ass, either.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. "On several medications" I am thinking maybe some of them are not working or interacting well,

because you would think this is the sort of rage they are supposed to help. (And possibly religious fervor as well. I went through some pretty extreme periods of it when I was unmedicated.)

[rug]

8. Do not mention any fact that undermines the hypothesis.

[cleanhippie]

11. Being on meds only strengthens the hypothesis.

It will be difficult to tell to what degree his religious indoctrination played in his psychological problems, but to think that it play none at all is willful ignorance.

[rug]

12. Thank you Senator Frist.

The fact is that no one here knows either this kid's mental condition or its etiology. There's not enough evidnce to support your over broad conclusion.

It's really shitty to use a family's personal tragedy to advance a dubious and unsupported talking point.

[cleanhippie]

15. You're welcome, Dr. Wakefield.

Your opinion and analysis means so much, especially when willful ignorance is so prevalent in it.

[rug]

16. I'm still debating whether yours is willful.

[cleanhippie]

17. You should focus on yours instead, that's where the bigger problem lies.

[rug]

18. Lol, sure it is.

[cleanhippie]

19. Lol, it sure is.

[rug]

20. All done now. Always a pleasure.

Not to mention, enlightening.

[cleanhippie]

21. Glad you learned something.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

10. This sounds like mental illness.

Or some anger issues, or both.

[BrotherIvan]

13. It sounds like a gun problem as much as anything.

[cleanhippie]

22. Take that crap to the gungeon please.

Your point may or may not be valid, but this forum is for the discussion of religious issues.

[struggle4progress]

41. If you're allowed here to suggest that certain matters are religious issues, then other people

are certainly allowed here to suggest that other interpretations of those matters, whether you approve or not

[struggle4progress]

42. You should feel free to ignore people who try to bully you into silence: if somebody

suggests in this forum that a certain matter is a religious issues, then you are certainly allowed here to disagree and to suggest other interpretations of that matter

[BrotherIvan]

43. Thank you very much for injecting some sanity.

I had planned on ignoring that poster because he obviously is having a bad day.

[Phillip McCleod]

14. the important thing is to keep clinging to guns 'n gods..

..no matter what.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

23. Who's clinging to guns 'n gods?

I hope you're not implying that I am.

[Phillip McCleod]

25. uh, that'd be a 'nope'.

i was responding to the OP with my very own thoughts. didn't see ya there, sorry, bud.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

26. My apologies.

I couldn't keep track of the response to response.

[Phillip McCleod]

28. (satire follows) see when you do things like apologize politely in a disarming way..

.. how do you expect the subthread to keep going and going?

i think we're doing it all wrong. see, a good 40-50 post subthread that takes up 3-4 scrolls requires a joint effort. i say something snarky (done) then you say something snarky back.. and that's where you messed up, right off the bat.

see, you asked what i meant, before leaping to conclusions, and that's why this subthread will probably just whither and shrivel up like an old vine.

..sigh..

we need more practice.

cleanhippie? rug? how *do* you *do* it?!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

30. LOL ... I guess I should have been more hostile.

So there!

[Phillip McCleod]

31. that would've helped. try again, shall we?

i think this georgia teen saw the hypocrisy of the way of life he was immersed in. i've seen it with teen boys smothered by religious guilt.. a real obsession with guns and god that doesn't go away when they get older and have kids and beat it into them, too.

i've seen the reality of those kinds of families and those mores, which i don't project onto anybody around here.. in fact, that's why i'm here.. and it's terribly common in some places in the u.s. a real good old testament boy bloodlust that just gives you the shivers. the cold hatred.. it pops up later when you least expect it. some people get defensive.

some people fight back.

and when you're young and stupid and mad and you think your parents are hypocrites?

i speculate, but teens hate nothing more than hypocrites. just ask one.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

33. I can't disagree about the last part of statement.

I know I'm supposed to be hostile, but I can't disagree.

The first part of your statement, I haven't had the pleasure or displeasure of knowing anyone like that, or of growing up in an area where it was prevalent enough for me to witness. Thank God!! (See what I did there?)

So, I can't disagree or agree with the first part of your post. I would think it logical that being brought up that way, would be natural to continue the process.

[Phillip McCleod]

34. darn. i thought *for sure* that time!

well, we gave it our best effort..

until next time, then! ha HA!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

35. "Tonight, we dine in hell!"

[rug]

48. Practice, practice, practice.

[dimbear]

24. Presumably Luke 14:26. Very relevant:

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."


I think this is taking the verse too literally, but that's just me.

[Phillip McCleod]

27. yeh the whole kit-n-caboodle (sp?!?!?) is an ad hoc hodgepodge..

..mixed eras, mixed languages, cobbled and recobbled to the Nth degree.

i have the greatest difficulty seeing the purpose of cherry-picking a book of dubious moral rectitude for it's rare bits of supposed wisdom, merely in order to justify past such cherry-picking. the simile that comes to mind .. that high dollar himalean cat scat coffee. sure i could spend my time sorting the beans from the poop, or i could say, 'fuggit' and start over from first principles.

[backscatter712]

29. When something like this happens, and the kid's found to be playing video games or RPGs...

...the media instantly jumps on the case, has a bunch of bobbleheads claiming that video games are responsible for violence, members of Congress start introducing censorship laws, and half the country goes into moral panic and loses its damned mind, and the sane members of society have to burn time, energy, and political capital to fight off attempts at censorship.

But when the kid has a Bible instead of Call of Duty or Dungeons and Dragons, hey, it's all good!

[Phillip McCleod]

32. you're right. it's the double standard.

it must take incredible mental discipline and even physical stamina to sustain the weight of the cognitive dissonance. or.. it would, if those 'vocally' even 'militantly' opposing religious indoctrination of children weren't in such pathetically small numbers in this supposedly enlightened nation.

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. You raise an excellent point there.

[struggle4progress]

36. Mentally-ill adolescent with access to guns. What could possibly go wrong?

Holy moly! I just shot my parents to avoid doing my chores! What bullshizz excuse can I cook up? Hey, I know! I'll say they wouldn't let me read the Bible! That'll bring everybody over to my side!

[trotsky]

37. Hey, cool.

Thanks for weighing in with your mind-reading powers and telling us exactly what he was thinking. Questions answered!

[struggle4progress]

39. It's just a guess, of course, but one might expect a certain amount of self-rationalizing

from an adolescent with a history of drug-abuse and anger management issues, who shot his parents without provocation after brooding for a day about being asked to do his chores

I suppose you have your own theories about exactly happened here and why, which probably don't coincide with my "mentally-ill adolescent with access to guns"

[trotsky]

40. And then throw religious fervor on top of that mix.

Quite volatile. Maybe god even told him to kill his parents, which if you are a follower of a revealed religion like Christianity, must necessarily believe COULD happen.

[struggle4progress]

38. UPDATE: Parents allegedly shot by son missed court because they were in the hospital, pastor says

Published: April 15, 2013
By TIM CHITWOOD — [e-mail]

... the 15-year-old .. has long struggled with anger-management issues. The stepmother quit a job just to stay home to work with the teen ... he went to his parents’ night stand where he knew they kept a 9mm pistol, took the gun and hid the gun in his room, Hogan said. When his parents got home from work Friday, he first went to the bathroom, then stepped into his bedroom, got the gun, came out and opened fire ... the conflict grew from the parents' asking the teen to bag up an old bed comforter to take to Goodwill after the couple bought him new bedding ... the mother told police her son was on several medications ... the boy in 2011 had been through Juvenile Drug Court, a diversion program to guide minors away from drugs and crime ...

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2013/04/15/2465255/police-teen-shot-parents-because.html

[BrotherIvan]

44. My favorite part of the article

Is where the parents say he's really a great kid when he's not pissed off and shooting at us! And this isn't just a case of rage in the moment, the kid took the gun, hid it and then waited for the next day for his parents to come home. I might be wrong but that sounds like premeditated attempted murder if there is such a thing. That child needs serious help.

[struggle4progress]

46. Maybe he really is a great kid when he's not having problems

[justhanginon]

45. What could possibly go wrong?

A teenager with anger management issues, on several medications and a gun kept in a nightstand. What could possibly go wrong? His parents should have at the least kept their firearm in a safe and secure location, especially given the circumstances.

[MineralMan]

49. Any excuse for teenaged boys to avoid chores.

Some read the Bible; others watch porn.